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When Bellamy got the ball on the left in the last minute and took it to the half-way line, nobody made a run for him. This resulted in him trying to play a diagonal ball across the pitch to SWP, the ball never got there and we all know what happened next.

Why wasn't Ireland bombing forward to give Bellamy an outlet? Why did SWP not try harder to get back after the ball had been intercepted?

People always talk about local lads/players who have come through the ranks understanding more about what a Derby game is all about, I didn't see much evidence of that today from the academy product subs!

King Kev wrote:When Bellamy got the ball on the left in the last minute and took it to the half-way line, nobody made a run for him. This resulted in him trying to play a diagonal ball across the pitch to SWP, the ball never got there and we all know what happened next.

Why wasn't Ireland bombing forward to give Bellamy an outlet? Why did SWP not try harder to get back after the ball had been intercepted?

People always talk about local lads/players who have come through the ranks understanding more about what a Derby game is all about, I didn't see much evidence of that today from the academy product subs!

IMO swp and Ireland can fuck off in the summer.

SWP wants more money ...ha ha ha ..is he fucking pissed?

King Kev wrote:When Bellamy got the ball on the left in the last minute and took it to the half-way line, nobody made a run for him. This resulted in him trying to play a diagonal ball across the pitch to SWP, the ball never got there and we all know what happened next.

Why wasn't Ireland bombing forward to give Bellamy an outlet? Why did SWP not try harder to get back after the ball had been intercepted?

People always talk about local lads/players who have come through the ranks understanding more about what a Derby game is all about, I didn't see much evidence of that today from the academy product subs!

I've nothing to add to that other than to say that the same thoughts have been going through my head since the final whistle.

It was almost as if they were trying to show how pissed off they are at not getting regular playing time. SWP, in particular was shocking, we'd have been better served putting me on.

I noticed that too, but it really didn't need the long ball. All we needed to do was keep posession.

The lack of effort from swp & ireland told us all we needed to know, considering they'd only been on the pitch for about 15 minutes.

carl_feedthegoat wrote:

King Kev wrote:When Bellamy got the ball on the left in the last minute and took it to the half-way line, nobody made a run for him. This resulted in him trying to play a diagonal ball across the pitch to SWP, the ball never got there and we all know what happened next.

Why wasn't Ireland bombing forward to give Bellamy an outlet? Why did SWP not try harder to get back after the ball had been intercepted?

People always talk about local lads/players who have come through the ranks understanding more about what a Derby game is all about, I didn't see much evidence of that today from the academy product subs!

IMO swp and Ireland can fuck off in the summer.

SWP wants more money ...ha ha ha ..is he fucking pissed?

Here here to that mate.. But lets get top 4 first then talk about it I think people are still a bit pissed about the defeat :)

as soon as we lost possession I was screaming for SWP to get back and cover and the ball eventually came back to where he should have been and the cross came in for scholes and he scored.

Fucking ridiculous. I LOVE SWP enormously but today he really pissed me off big time.

ireland was the main culprit,he stood and watched scholes move past him in to the area and began jogging toward the box

I've just watched a re-run of the game and don't get where you're coming from? Stevie's sprinting back just prior to the header but the ball's passed in front of him, and let's not forget this is his first 10 minutes of football for a long time.

Shaun for me changed the game when he came on. He got past Evra a few times and got the free-kick on the edge of their box, as well as switching flanks. When the ball was lost he had just sprinted the near length of the pitch about 3 or 4 times and was still going forward from the momentum. We still had most of the team back so it would be fare to say that one of them should have picked up their players.

Why didn't Paddy stop the goal?

King Kev wrote:When Bellamy got the ball on the left in the last minute and took it to the half-way line, nobody made a run for him. This resulted in him trying to play a diagonal ball across the pitch to SWP, the ball never got there and we all know what happened next.

Why wasn't Ireland bombing forward to give Bellamy an outlet? Why did SWP not try harder to get back after the ball had been intercepted?

People always talk about local lads/players who have come through the ranks understanding more about what a Derby game is all about, I didn't see much evidence of that today from the academy product subs!

adebayor is the laziest football ive seen play.

Ireland did sweet FA after all the noise i made for him warming up. Stupid fucking draw mentality and that can be aimed at alot of people on here who said the same on here last night¬! Mancini probably read that thread!! U dont beat united unless u ATTACK.

i agree king kev, i have to say i think there was a lot of nervousness in our play and they got that from bobby as i think he was nervous all week in his interviews

free header. Ireland strolling around when hes just fucking come on the wanker! Veira absolute shite. And nobody helping bellamy

It seems that so many players could take at least some blame for that goal. Bellers for attemting that pass , SWP for not reading it better and certainly not sprinting back to cover. Two players were attracted to the pass forward and neither seemed to be aware Evra was free on the wing, Ireland for not tracking Scholes properly , somebody in the middle for allowing Scholes to be free smack in the middle of the box. But also if we were accepting the point rather than going for the draw had the boss given the instructions to hold the ball and play out time. I am sure if we had been one up when Bellers got the ball he would have just turned around and headed for the corner flag. It was all very confusing but it was a team failure.

Douglas Higginbottom wrote:It seems that so many players could take at least some blame for that goal. Bellers for attemting that pass , SWP for not reading it better and certainly not sprinting back to cover. Two players were attracted to the pass forward and neither seemed to be aware Evra was free on the wing, Ireland for not tracking Scholes properly , somebody in the middle for allowing Scholes to be free smack in the middle of the box. But also if we were accepting the point rather than going for the draw had the boss given the instructions to hold the ball and play out time. I am sure if we had been one up when Bellers got the ball he would have just turned around and headed for the corner flag. It was all very confusing but it was a team failure.

I don't think that players with the experience of Bellamy need to get instructions from the boss on what to do in that situation.
When he won the ball and ran to the halfway line, he had Tevez and SWP ahead of him and 3 or 4 rags defenders. There was still
half a minute left (he wouldn't have known that of course) and it looked like he was trying to set-up a goal scoring chance, which was absolutely correct.
Unfortunately he made the wrong choice with his long 50-50 pass. Instead he should have ran with it and possibly passed it to Tevez closer to their box which could have resulted in something. In the least, time would have been up and the rags would not had that last chance to score.
Yes, maybe 3 or 4 players could be blamed for allowing the goal in but it all started with Beller's bad choice which cost us the match and possibly 4th spot and worst of all may end up helping the rags to win their 4th title in a row !

The thing that keeps coming up is that the rags have many players that are UNITED through and through that ONLY ever played for united. They know what it means. Look at how much neville hates us! We have players like adebayor and toure who couldnt give a fuck!

Beefymcfc wrote:I've just watched a re-run of the game and don't get where you're coming from? Stevie's sprinting back just prior to the header but the ball's passed in front of him, and let's not forget this is his first 10 minutes of football for a long time.

There is rustiness, and there is laziness.

I havent watched a re-run of the goal, so wont criticise him for that., but Ireland did a fucking Benjani impression, coming on, strolling around as though we were winning 5.0 - didnt close anyone down, gave up as soon as the ball went past him. It was a shameful performance from a player who claims he will still be running in the 95th minute, and thats what gives him the edge. He couldnt be arsed running after 5 mins on the pitch, and no amount of ring rust is an excuse for a total lack of effort

johnpb78 wrote:

Beefymcfc wrote:I've just watched a re-run of the game and don't get where you're coming from? Stevie's sprinting back just prior to the header but the ball's passed in front of him, and let's not forget this is his first 10 minutes of football for a long time.

There is rustiness, and there is laziness.

I havent watched a re-run of the goal, so wont criticise him for that., but Ireland did a fucking Benjani impression, coming on, strolling around as though we were winning 5.0 - didnt close anyone down, gave up as soon as the ball went past him. It was a shameful performance from a player who claims he will still be running in the 95th minute, and thats what gives him the edge. He couldnt be arsed running after 5 mins on the pitch, and no amount of ring rust is an excuse for a total lack of effort

we need to know why.

Has he had a medical condition/ heart trouble?
Is he off in the summer?
Are these lads getting pissed off that lazy fuckers like veira are coming in on higher wages than them?

Nick wrote:

johnpb78 wrote:

Beefymcfc wrote:I've just watched a re-run of the game and don't get where you're coming from? Stevie's sprinting back just prior to the header but the ball's passed in front of him, and let's not forget this is his first 10 minutes of football for a long time.

There is rustiness, and there is laziness.

I havent watched a re-run of the goal, so wont criticise him for that., but Ireland did a fucking Benjani impression, coming on, strolling around as though we were winning 5.0 - didnt close anyone down, gave up as soon as the ball went past him. It was a shameful performance from a player who claims he will still be running in the 95th minute, and thats what gives him the edge. He couldnt be arsed running after 5 mins on the pitch, and no amount of ring rust is an excuse for a total lack of effort

we need to know why.

Has he had a medical condition/ heart trouble?
Is he off in the summer?
Are these lads getting pissed off that lazy fuckers like veira are coming in on higher wages than them?

Ireland cannot play in anything other than the role Hughes created for him last season. As soon as he changed the system this year, Ireland was poor. He is simply extremely poor at adapting, and has been under at least 4 different managers now. Perhaps aslo suffereing mentally that he was touted as potentially one of the very best last year, yet has struggled to even make the bench this year due to poor form / lack of application

SWP, could have won it for us, and played better than Johnson. Needs to up his game though, maybe there is a feeling that he is a bit too predicatable after all these years in the prem.

If it is about money, (which I seriously doubt) I'll personally drive them to their next club in the summer.

paddyblue wrote:ireland was the main culprit,he stood and watched scholes move past him in to the area and began jogging toward the box

100% correct, he just stood and watched.

paddyblue wrote:ireland was the main culprit,he stood and watched scholes move past him in to the area and began jogging toward the box

It was his fucking duty to mark Scholes. What pissed me off most was his reaction after goal though. He didn't look arsed.