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If there was ever a time to banish this saying then it's got to start this week. My mate said to me that it would be typical city to bash Spuds and then loose to West Ham.....I couldn't really argue.

Please boys don't come off the pitch tonight with any regrets and people telling you "oh it's typical City"

Yep and if there's any time for the biggest typical City ever its this weekend as beating Spurs and losing to West Ham really would redefine Typical City on a whole new level. Though I think your right winning tonight would be the start of putting that saying to bed.

It is so so so so so hard to genuinely BELIEVE that we can do it (and I mean secure 4th over the next 2 games, not just performing tonight).

Even since the Sheikh arrived

Even since the start of this season

Even since Mancini arrived at Xmas we have seen example after example of us shooting ourselves in the foot in TC'esque fashion

I agree with you Andie...this is the time for it to change. I am trying my best to believe but I need more evidence of a change in the playing mentality/fallibility before I can fully complete the necessary seismic shift in my supporter mentality.

I actually think that it's supporters in the 25-40 age bracket who have the toughest task in that regard. We have seen none of the glory and just endured a never ending stream of shit from the mid 1970'sonwards....

too fucking young to remember Tueart and our last bit of silverware in 1976
heartbreak to Spurs/Ricky Villa and losing a Cup Final Replay in 1981
down under Bond/Benson in 1982 (my first relegation)
back up in 1986 with McNeill
down again with Frizell in 1987 (second relegation)
back up with Machin in 1989,
that 5-1 win (and we sack the manager 2 months later)
optimism under Howard Kendall (altho he led us an impressive 14th place...one place behind Utd in 13th)
Kendall leaves after just over a year to go back to Everton ("his first love"...cunt)
Reid takes over and leads us to 5th, 5th and 9th and then sacked in the first month of the following season
Horton arrives and leads us "back to glory".....14th and then 17th place
Ball appointed, hold on for a draw at Anfield and down we go again (third relegation)
FIVE...yes FIVE managers in one shitty season until finally Frank Clark guides us to 14th in the "Championship" (the ONLY good thing that happened that season is that four days before resigning, Alan Ball signs Paul Dickov)
Clark steers us into choppy waters and Joe Royle is appointed as we slide down again, to the third tier (fourth relegation)
Playoffs.....Wigan.....Gillingham.....Horlock....Dickov.....and we're up again
Royle takes us back up again...Premiership football
And then straight back down (fifth relegation)
KK arrives and we're up again....some great times from 2001 to 2005 and we arrive at Eastlands(thank you Keegan, Wardle, Makin, Bernstein)
Keegan walks and Pearce takes the reins of sickly City
Thaksin.....Sven.....Hughes......

And here we are.....I think I'm probabaly not alone in really doing my best to believe...but after reading that lot, it's hardly surprising that lots of us have emotions kept in check for now, we've suffered way way way too much to get carried away prematurely

BUT fuck me, I want to be able to go mental and just enjoy it....please do it City, we fucking deserve this.

ant london wrote:
too fucking young to remember Tueart and our last bit of silverware in 1976
heartbreak to Spurs/Ricky Villa and losing a Cup Final Replay in 1981
down under Bond/Benson in 1982 (my first relegation)
back up in 1986 with McNeill
down again with Frizell in 1987 (second relegation)
back up with Machin in 1989,
that 5-1 win (and we sack the manager 2 months later)
optimism under Howard Kendall (altho he led us an impressive 14th place...one place behind Utd in 13th)
Kendall leaves after just over a year to go back to Everton ("his first love"...cunt)
Reid takes over and leads us to 5th, 5th and 9th and then sacked in the first month of the following season
Horton arrives and leads us "back to glory".....14th and then 17th place
Ball appointed, hold on for a draw at Anfield and down we go again (third relegation)
FIVE...yes FIVE managers in one shitty season until finally Frank Clark guides us to 14th in the "Championship" (the ONLY good thing that happened that season is that four days before resigning, Alan Ball signs Paul Dickov)
Clark steers us into choppy waters and Joe Royle is appointed as we slide down again, to the third tier (fourth relegation)
Playoffs.....Wigan.....Gillingham.....Horlock....Dickov.....and we're up again
Royle takes us back up again...Premiership football
And then straight back down (fifth relegation)
KK arrives and we're up again....some great times from 2001 to 2005 and we arrive at Eastlands(thank you Keegan, Wardle, Makin, Bernstein)
Keegan walks and Pearce takes the reins of sickly City
Thaksin.....Sven.....Hughes......

fucking hell Ant...that's like a Blue Peter time capsule of my life!

It will take a good while for me to never utter ''typical City'' again as it's engrained in my DNA. See Ants list above, that's what i have suffered in my life too along with thousands of others but this team is capable of delivering: Adebayor, Tevez, Johnson, Barry, Kompany, NDJ, Bellamy are all world class imo and will be starting tonight. There is no reason why we cannot beat Spurs tonight. If Spurs beat us at home then they deserve 4th spot because that will be some achievement by them and i will wish them luck and go home and hang myself whilst uttering ''typical City'' for one last time.

That is my life story as a blue in a nutshell Ant. 37 years old and not much to crow about.

I believe that tonight is the night I will be repaid for my loyalty to this club but can't shake that 10% of doubt in the back of my mind that keeps telling me that this is going to end in tears again

We are "the long suffering City fans" but by Sunday this will all have changed.

Win or lose, I will still love my City! (But please fcuking rip Spuds apart tonight)

my manager (an arse fan) said exactly the same, we would do spurs then lose to wet spam.

ive seen certain things that make me realise typical city is changing.....

NOW IS OUR TIME!

I would blow 25 years of supporting City in one night if we do get 4th. The party will be awesome, we will have arrived.

25 years of pure frustration, gone.

ant london wrote:It is so so so so so hard to genuinely BELIEVE that we can do it (and I mean secure 4th over the next 2 games, not just performing tonight).

Even since the Sheikh arrived

Even since the start of this season

Even since Mancini arrived at Xmas we have seen example after example of us shooting ourselves in the foot in TC'esque fashion

I agree with you Andie...this is the time for it to change. I am trying my best to believe but I need more evidence of a change in the playing mentality/fallibility before I can fully complete the necessary seismic shift in my supporter mentality.

I actually think that it's supporters in the 25-40 age bracket who have the toughest task in that regard. We have seen none of the glory and just endured a never ending stream of shit from the mid 1970'sonwards....

too fucking young to remember Tueart and our last bit of silverware in 1976
heartbreak to Spurs/Ricky Villa and losing a Cup Final Replay in 1981
down under Bond/Benson in 1982 (my first relegation)
back up in 1986 with McNeill
down again with Frizell in 1987 (second relegation)
back up with Machin in 1989,
that 5-1 win (and we sack the manager 2 months later)
optimism under Howard Kendall (altho he led us an impressive 14th place...one place behind Utd in 13th)
Kendall leaves after just over a year to go back to Everton ("his first love"...cunt)
Reid takes over and leads us to 5th, 5th and 9th and then sacked in the first month of the following season
Horton arrives and leads us "back to glory".....14th and then 17th place
Ball appointed, hold on for a draw at Anfield and down we go again (third relegation)
FIVE...yes FIVE managers in one shitty season until finally Frank Clark guides us to 14th in the "Championship" (the ONLY good thing that happened that season is that four days before resigning, Alan Ball signs Paul Dickov)
Clark steers us into choppy waters and Joe Royle is appointed as we slide down again, to the third tier (fourth relegation)
Playoffs.....Wigan.....Gillingham.....Horlock....Dickov.....and we're up again
Royle takes us back up again...Premiership football
And then straight back down (fifth relegation)
KK arrives and we're up again....some great times from 2001 to 2005 and we arrive at Eastlands(thank you Keegan, Wardle, Makin, Bernstein)
Keegan walks and Pearce takes the reins of sickly City
Thaksin.....Sven.....Hughes......

And here we are.....I think I'm probabaly not alone in really doing my best to believe...but after reading that lot, it's hardly surprising that lots of us have emotions kept in check for now, we've suffered way way way too much to get carried away prematurely

BUT fuck me, I want to be able to go mental and just enjoy it....please do it City, we fucking deserve this.

Brilliant post Ant,securing your position as one of the top posters on this site.

I'm a total fuclin gloryhunter with no time in like you sick, self-flagellating bastards. I've just come around for the trophies.

Can't imagine us losing tonight to be honest...been watching Gladiator clips all week "On my signal, Unleash Hell"...it's giving me goosebumps. And the cheezy Pacino rant from "Any Given Sunday" -- "but i CAN'T do it for you..."

i'm excited, nervous, yet confident. I honestly can't imagine us losing this. I really can't. I keep trying to, but it keeps coming up a City win.

Come on CITY!!!

;)

crossan wrote:

ant london wrote:It is so so so so so hard to genuinely BELIEVE that we can do it (and I mean secure 4th over the next 2 games, not just performing tonight).

Even since the Sheikh arrived

Even since the start of this season

Even since Mancini arrived at Xmas we have seen example after example of us shooting ourselves in the foot in TC'esque fashion

I agree with you Andie...this is the time for it to change. I am trying my best to believe but I need more evidence of a change in the playing mentality/fallibility before I can fully complete the necessary seismic shift in my supporter mentality.

I actually think that it's supporters in the 25-40 age bracket who have the toughest task in that regard. We have seen none of the glory and just endured a never ending stream of shit from the mid 1970'sonwards....

too fucking young to remember Tueart and our last bit of silverware in 1976
heartbreak to Spurs/Ricky Villa and losing a Cup Final Replay in 1981
down under Bond/Benson in 1982 (my first relegation)
back up in 1986 with McNeill
down again with Frizell in 1987 (second relegation)
back up with Machin in 1989,
that 5-1 win (and we sack the manager 2 months later)
optimism under Howard Kendall (altho he led us an impressive 14th place...one place behind Utd in 13th)
Kendall leaves after just over a year to go back to Everton ("his first love"...cunt)
Reid takes over and leads us to 5th, 5th and 9th and then sacked in the first month of the following season
Horton arrives and leads us "back to glory".....14th and then 17th place
Ball appointed, hold on for a draw at Anfield and down we go again (third relegation)
FIVE...yes FIVE managers in one shitty season until finally Frank Clark guides us to 14th in the "Championship" (the ONLY good thing that happened that season is that four days before resigning, Alan Ball signs Paul Dickov)
Clark steers us into choppy waters and Joe Royle is appointed as we slide down again, to the third tier (fourth relegation)
Playoffs.....Wigan.....Gillingham.....Horlock....Dickov.....and we're up again
Royle takes us back up again...Premiership football
And then straight back down (fifth relegation)
KK arrives and we're up again....some great times from 2001 to 2005 and we arrive at Eastlands(thank you Keegan, Wardle, Makin, Bernstein)
Keegan walks and Pearce takes the reins of sickly City
Thaksin.....Sven.....Hughes......

And here we are.....I think I'm probabaly not alone in really doing my best to believe...but after reading that lot, it's hardly surprising that lots of us have emotions kept in check for now, we've suffered way way way too much to get carried away prematurely

BUT fuck me, I want to be able to go mental and just enjoy it....please do it City, we fucking deserve this.

Brilliant post Ant,securing your position as one of the top posters on this site.

The thing is though, apart from an 'ok' team under Reid & an 'ok' team under Keegan, ist's not since the days of Tueart that we've had a side that's really worth believing in. This is a different kettle of fish all together. We put an 11 on the pitch now that can compare to any team we play against. It doesn't mean we definitely win of course but it means we can realistically give anyone a game & realistically think we have a good chance of winning. All it needs now is for the fans to take that final step & imo it will become the mentality of the club. At the moment we have an inferiority complex which has the opposite effect.

ant london wrote:optimism under Howard Kendall (altho he led us an impressive 14th place...one place behind Utd in 13th)
Kendall leaves after just over a year to go back to Everton ("his first love"...cunt)
Reid takes over and leads us to 5th, 5th and 9th and then sacked in the first month of the following season

Ths first fifth was the seaosn with El Mel and Kendall in charge and Kendall was still at City for the first half of the second, but your overall point is made well.

And yet fans of some clubs, no, make that the majority of clubs, would love to have seen what we have seen. From talking to friends who are fans of other clubs, I believe that there are only about ten sets of fans that wouldn't swap their last 30 years for our last 30 years. So it hasn't really been all that bad; tell the truth I have enjoyed most of it. And yes, I am the same generation as you and I have been through the same wringer that you have, and I can honestly say, hand on heart, that I have enjoyed 99% of my time as a Blue, and the other 1% of the time I believed there would be better days to come.

Do "we deserve this"? Really? I have had this argument on these pages before and I don't really want it again, but does any fan love their club any more or less than any other fan? Yes, we have put our time in, but so has every other set of fans in the world. The tottenham fans that go home and away, do they not deserve it too? How about the Hull fans who were there in Divison Four? Ditto Bolton and Burnley. And the pie-eaters who were there as non-league fans. I am slightly uneasy about this kind of thing. To my mind it is only a small step from "we deserve it" to "not arrogant, just better" and one I personally have no wish to take.

Be that as it may, I do believe we are capable of this and that soon we will be saying "Typical City" meaning to do it in style.

"Typical City" does NOT mean failure.

Instances of "typical City" have been around almost since our foundation. "Typical City" has been and is an endearing feature of our history and evolvement. City were commonly known as the "UNPREDICTABLES" in their early years and Frannie Lee defined it as "Cups for Cock Ups".
But let's not forget that throughout that history of typical City...we have been massively successful. Typical City never stopped us having an illustrious past. We still went on to win Championships and Cups.
Not winning stuff for the last 30 odd years is Not typical city. It was never typical that we went so long without being successful and there is no reason that we should fail now.
There were reasons for our failures, typical city wasn't one of them. Bad stewardship and poor decisions cause failure.

An important feature of "typical City" is that despite it...we have always at some point battled through it and gained success.
Typical City also equals SUCCESS....maybe by the skin of our teeth and in a convoluted way. It may have caused City fans untold stress and we may have made life harder for ourselves...But typical City has never equalled failure.

crossan wrote:

ant london wrote:It is so so so so so hard to genuinely BELIEVE that we can do it (and I mean secure 4th over the next 2 games, not just performing tonight).

Even since the Sheikh arrived

Even since the start of this season

Even since Mancini arrived at Xmas we have seen example after example of us shooting ourselves in the foot in TC'esque fashion

I agree with you Andie...this is the time for it to change. I am trying my best to believe but I need more evidence of a change in the playing mentality/fallibility before I can fully complete the necessary seismic shift in my supporter mentality.

I actually think that it's supporters in the 25-40 age bracket who have the toughest task in that regard. We have seen none of the glory and just endured a never ending stream of shit from the mid 1970'sonwards....

too fucking young to remember Tueart and our last bit of silverware in 1976
heartbreak to Spurs/Ricky Villa and losing a Cup Final Replay in 1981
down under Bond/Benson in 1982 (my first relegation)
back up in 1986 with McNeill
down again with Frizell in 1987 (second relegation)
back up with Machin in 1989,
that 5-1 win (and we sack the manager 2 months later)
optimism under Howard Kendall (altho he led us an impressive 14th place...one place behind Utd in 13th)
Kendall leaves after just over a year to go back to Everton ("his first love"...cunt)
Reid takes over and leads us to 5th, 5th and 9th and then sacked in the first month of the following season
Horton arrives and leads us "back to glory".....14th and then 17th place
Ball appointed, hold on for a draw at Anfield and down we go again (third relegation)
FIVE...yes FIVE managers in one shitty season until finally Frank Clark guides us to 14th in the "Championship" (the ONLY good thing that happened that season is that four days before resigning, Alan Ball signs Paul Dickov)
Clark steers us into choppy waters and Joe Royle is appointed as we slide down again, to the third tier (fourth relegation)
Playoffs.....Wigan.....Gillingham.....Horlock....Dickov.....and we're up again
Royle takes us back up again...Premiership football
And then straight back down (fifth relegation)
KK arrives and we're up again....some great times from 2001 to 2005 and we arrive at Eastlands(thank you Keegan, Wardle, Makin, Bernstein)
Keegan walks and Pearce takes the reins of sickly City
Thaksin.....Sven.....Hughes......

And here we are.....I think I'm probabaly not alone in really doing my best to believe...but after reading that lot, it's hardly surprising that lots of us have emotions kept in check for now, we've suffered way way way too much to get carried away prematurely

BUT fuck me, I want to be able to go mental and just enjoy it....please do it City, we fucking deserve this.

Brilliant post Ant,securing your position as one of the top posters on this site.

Yeah nice one mate ,
Just to say that I am of the age range just a few years ahead and was fortunate to see us win something and finish runners-up
with a truly great team but the "typical" City tag is synonymous with our club more than any other. I´ve been hearing people like Hawksbee talking in terms of "typical" Spurs but from the perspective of being in the shadow of Arsenal in terms of relative success. I think I can safely say that when it comes to the ownership of "typical" , we are simply the 10 times consecutive treble winners!

....there is also a qualifying round btw

DoomMerchant wrote:I'm a total fuclin gloryhunter with no time in like you sick, self-flagellating bastards. I've just come around for the trophies.

Can't imagine us losing tonight to be honest...been watching Gladiator clips all week "On my signal, Unleash Hell"...it's giving me goosebumps. And the cheezy Pacino rant from "Any Given Sunday" -- "but i CAN'T do it for you..."

i'm excited, nervous, yet confident. I honestly can't imagine us losing this. I really can't. I keep trying to, but it keeps coming up a City win.

Come on CITY!!!

;)

I love that film and the one inch speech........I also love "this is our house" SHIT YEAH.....COME ON CITY

Ant,

City have been around since (possibly) before 1880.
The seed that fertilised our birth was violence.
Our womb was the rat infested sewers and gutters of West Gorton.
The World we were born into was one of pollution, poverty, hunger, disease, high infant mortality rates and drunkeness.
Our Fathers were a group of local men, who despite all the repression around them had hope.
Our Mother, considered to be Anna Connell had a vision of hope that our Fathers could cling to.
That was our starting point.

Today, Manchester City Football Club are the richest club in the entire World. We stand at the doorway to greatness. We are in the position that win or lose tonight, our resources make massive success almost inevitable.

Whatever may have happened on that long journey, whatever successes or failures we may have had as we travelled on our path. Typical City has taken us from the sewers of West Gorton to our present position.

Our story is one of MASSIVE SUCCESS....I am proud as fuck of my TYPICAL CITY.

john68 wrote:"Typical City" does NOT mean failure.

Instances of "typical City" have been around almost since our foundation. "Typical City" has been and is an endearing feature of our history and evolvement. City were commonly known as the "UNPREDICTABLES" in their early years and Frannie Lee defined it as "Cups for Cock Ups".
But let's not forget that throughout that history of typical City...we have been massively successful. Typical City never stopped us having an illustrious past. We still went on to win Championships and Cups.
Not winning stuff for the last 30 odd years is Not typical city. It was never typical that we went so long without being successful and there is no reason that we should fail now.
There were reasons for our failures, typical city wasn't one of them. Bad stewardship and poor decisions cause failure.

An important feature of "typical City" is that despite it...we have always at some point battled through it and gained success.
Typical City also equals SUCCESS....maybe by the skin of our teeth and in a convoluted way. It may have caused City fans untold stress and we may have made life harder for ourselves...But typical City has never equalled failure.

Quality post, John.

I really hope we can clinch the 4th spot!

john68 wrote:Ant,

Our womb was the rat infested sewers and gutters of West Gorton.
The World we were born into was one of pollution, poverty, hunger, disease, high infant mortality rates and drunkeness.

Parts of Gorton are still like that! And that's where i'll be tonight watching the boys in my local. Win, lose or draw tonight, it will have been one of the best seasons i've seen for many a long year.

I'm 44 this year (seems really weird typing that?!?!) and "Typical City" has been part of my vocabulary all my life.

My lad turns 6 this year and is only just starting to show serious signs of being interested in footie and will be glad that "typical City" hopefully won't be part of his!

Even though City was one of his first words (i kid you not), keeping him from falling to pressure from family (all fookin hers!!) & school friends to become a RAG or Chelski fan. The pitfalls of living 30 miles south of London i'm afraid!

He's been told, City & England that's your lot, occasionally he jokes "i like Chelsea" and i joke back that he can walk home, pack his bags and find a new Dad!!

I'm hoping the last time i see "typical City" is in this thread.

yeah i am as nervous as the next about tonight, but i also have this gut feeling, oh shit, do i, oh fuck?

Just to lighten the mood, this moment makes me smile when i recall it.........

Her fookin brother jumped ship when he was 10 from Scouse to RAGS, when he had his 30th birthday last year i dug out a picture the missus had of him and i had it blown up to A3 size stuck them all over his local where the party was.

He copped serious bucket loads of shit from his mates and other locals who only knew him as a RAG for being a turncoat. The best bit was i managed to blame the mother in law (she'd done the rest of the pictures)

CTID