ant london wrote:Can someone clarify this for me. I thought originally (in line with Bob's post) that we were limited to a first team squad of registered senior players that was 25 strong.
BUT some things I have read in the media indicate that actually the limit applies to the squad that we would nominate pre-each match as to who is eligible for selection in that particular game.
I am, therefore, confused. Does anyone actually know what the rules are???
PREMIERSHIP2010/11 REGULATIONS FOR SQUADS
A SQUAD LIMIT OF 25 PLAYERS.
Of these 25, at least 8 must be association trained. This means they spent at least 3 years between age 16 and 21 at a club in England or Wales.
UEFA COMPETIONS (EUROPA AND CHAMPIONS LEAGUE)
A SQUAD LIMIT OF 25
Same rules as premiership about 8 association trained, BUT IN ADDITION, of the 8 association trained players, at least 4 must have spent 3 years between age 17 and 21 at the club they are now playing for. So at least 4 must be from our academy.
The squads are declared at the beginning of the season and can only be changed once at the end of the January window, and I think a maximum of 3 changes are allowed.
PLUS
An unlimited number of under 21 club trained players can be used in both competitions in addition to the named squads (generally referred to as the B List). Under 21 on 1/1/10. This includes, but not limited to:-
Weiss
Boyata
Ibrahim
Cunningham
Ball
Tchuimeni-Nimely
CURRENT SQUAD – as of 3/7/10, but not for much longer
DMF----------------AMF-----------------STR-----------------F BACKS-----------C BACKS----------GK
Barry---------------
SWP-----------------Tevez--------------Zabaleta-----------Boateng---------Given
De Jong------------
A Johnson----------Adebayor----------
Richards-----------K Toure----------
HartVieira---------------Silva----------------
Bellamy------------
Bridge--------------
Lescott------ ---Gonzalez
Y Toure-------------
M Johnson---------Robinho------------Garrido------------Kompany
---------------------
Ireland-------------RSC-------------------------------------
OnouhaItalic are club trained players (and by definition also association trained). Need 4 minimum
Bold are association trained players. Need enough to add to club trained and total 8, minimum
So, as of today, we are comfortably OK, (apart from having 26 on the list, not counting other loaned players - Jo, Bozhinov, Caicedo, Logan, Etuhu)
Clearly, several of the squad above are going to leave, but none of the players linked to join (except Milner) qualify under either quota.
To keep the 4 and the 8 quotas through this window will be a precarious balancing act. In fact, it messes with your mind.
You don’t need any club trained players for the Prem, so you could run with 1 or 2 only for the Prem and introduce more for Europa. But then you have to drop other players to keep the number at 25.
But surely it wouldn’t be feasible, when trying to get, say, Danny Alves to sign up, to have to admit, ‘by the way you won’t be playing in Europe because we need to give young Trippier a run out’.
Or who fancies telling, say, Tevez he’s dropped for Nimely, to get the numbers right?
Liverpool had to do this to Sammy Hyppia a few seasons ago exactly because of these UEFA regs and, naturally, he left asap.
For example, some possible ins and outs. You can mix and match them and change names at will
To get squad down to 25 - Onouha
Kolarov – Garrido
Milner – Robinho
Dzeko – RSC
Torres- Bellamy/Ireland. If Ireland, bring in Weiss to get back up to 4 academy trained and sell someone else to get back down to 25 again
Luiz – Bridge
Or take out M Johnson as he isn’t ready yet and add Weiss or Ibrahim who are available anyway as under 21s, so no gain to squad overall.
Last point, anyone can play in the FA Cup and Carling Cup. There are no squads to declare.
