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That got my fucking head boiling again. Not that I give two shits about Scousepool or Macherano but how fucking far away these modern players are from real life.

I mean, you sign a fucking multimega billion pound contract that will set you up for life. In exchange you may have to do certain things for limited period in your life like move to new country and learn a new language. And for your average 26 year old those would be very exiting things. But not for these fucking fannies. Many people would give their arm and leg to get to taste life like that. But these jokers have been brought up to "footballers lifestyle" and have no idea whatsoever how priviledged they are.

On top of that it has become a trend now that player "goes on strike" to force a move. That is absolutely fucking disgusting. Fair enough, you want to move elsewhere or better club but you should at least show some professionality and respect towards people who pay your wages, supporters, by doing your job as you always do.

Agree: A contract is a contract is a contract.

One thing that's almost as annoying is the way Barca conducts its' business through the media and via its' players. I want to nuke that club at least three or four times a season.

I don't know who is right in this.I would say there is a lot more that can be heard from either side.If Javier wants to make a stand though,what else can he do.

Rag_hater wrote:I don't know who is right in this.I would say there is a lot more that can be heard from either side.If Javier wants to make a stand though,what else can he do.

He can continue to act professionally by training and playing for the club he is under contract to. If he didn't want to play for Liverpool this long he shouldn't have signed the contract.

mr_nool wrote:Agree: A contract is a contract is a contract.

That's the thing. When we sign contract for a company, we try and think about what it means and concequenses it might have on our personal lives. Sometimes we don't take ajob that would pay better because it would have certain efects on our personal lives. But not these fucking tools. They are just greedy bastards and have absolutely no common sense on these things.

And what is it with people like Mascherano anyway? I mean he has been in England for over four years. As far as I understand, he doesn't speak the language and probably that's why his family isn't settled. Well, if I moved to Argentina now, I think in four years time I'd speak reasonable spanish and would've made social contacts. If my missus had problems with language I'd tell her to get out of the house and go to language course. I mean does someone really think Mascherano's missus has work commitments that make it impossible for her to go to a basic language course? At 26 he can't have kids who have problems with language or lifestyle and anyway kids adjust to new surroundings easily.

What a thick fuck.

bluej wrote:

Rag_hater wrote:I don't know who is right in this.I would say there is a lot more that can be heard from either side.If Javier wants to make a stand though,what else can he do.

He can continue to act professionally by training and playing for the club he is under contract to. If he didn't want to play for Liverpool this long he shouldn't have signed the contract.

Signing a contract doesn't mean you have to give up your rights.
And Liverpool or Spain.No contest

Rag_hater wrote:

bluej wrote:

Rag_hater wrote:I don't know who is right in this.I would say there is a lot more that can be heard from either side.If Javier wants to make a stand though,what else can he do.

He can continue to act professionally by training and playing for the club he is under contract to. If he didn't want to play for Liverpool this long he shouldn't have signed the contract.

Signing a contract doesn't mean you have to give up your rights.
And Liverpool or Spain.No contest

What are these so called 'rights'?

Rag_hater wrote:I don't know who is right in this.I would say there is a lot more that can be heard from either side.If Javier wants to make a stand though,what else can he do.

you don't know who is right in this?

well, I'll give you a hint: It's not mascherano, and it's not barcelona.

does that help?

If I were liverpool I would stop paying him. Especially if he's not showing up to practice. If he's practicing then they won't be able to get away with not paying him. But if he refuses to train he should not be making any money.

I love seeing liverpool embarrassed ... but I don't approve of players doing this. They are not acting in good faith and are exploiting a system based on that principle for both parties.

Rag_hater wrote:

bluej wrote:

Rag_hater wrote:I don't know who is right in this.I would say there is a lot more that can be heard from either side.If Javier wants to make a stand though,what else can he do.

He can continue to act professionally by training and playing for the club he is under contract to. If he didn't want to play for Liverpool this long he shouldn't have signed the contract.

Signing a contract doesn't mean you have to give up your rights.
And Liverpool or Spain.No contest

What rights? Everyone would prefer Spain to Liverpool but surely he isn't daft enough to have thought otherwise! And like it has been said he should've taken that into consideration when he was about to sign a five year deal!
Javier should respect his contract and do his job or get punished, ie get fines each week/day he doesn't do that.

Rag_hater wrote:

bluej wrote:

Rag_hater wrote:I don't know who is right in this.I would say there is a lot more that can be heard from either side.If Javier wants to make a stand though,what else can he do.

He can continue to act professionally by training and playing for the club he is under contract to. If he didn't want to play for Liverpool this long he shouldn't have signed the contract.

Signing a contract doesn't mean you have to give up your rights.And Liverpool or Spain.No contest

What fucking rights?
He is bound by contract to train and play for Liverpool and try and represent Club in positive manner in media. Hardly giving up your human fucking rights is it? I have some contractual obligations as well. If I didn't like them, then I shouldn't have ever signed it, right?

You make it sound like he is Aung San Suu Kyi.

bluej wrote:

Rag_hater wrote:

bluej wrote:

Rag_hater wrote:I don't know who is right in this.I would say there is a lot more that can be heard from either side.If Javier wants to make a stand though,what else can he do.

He can continue to act professionally by training and playing for the club he is under contract to. If he didn't want to play for Liverpool this long he shouldn't have signed the contract.

Signing a contract doesn't mean you have to give up your rights.
And Liverpool or Spain.No contest

What are these so called 'rights'?

I'm not to sure but I would think there is something in the Human rights laws that covers this.
If somebody pissed you off what would you do?

It is all too player focussed but that is the way of it. To be honest I was very surprised that Chelsea came out on top in their battle with Adrian Mutu. Not only were they able to sack him but to claim back the transfer fee from HIM. It went through all the courts and still Chelsea won. There should be a clause in players contracts that makes them liable for the fee as well as their wages if they take action that not only means they should be sacked but if they also damage their club through their actions. Yes Mr. Robinho I am talking about you.

Niall Quinns Discopants wrote:

Rag_hater wrote:

bluej wrote:

Rag_hater wrote:I don't know who is right in this.I would say there is a lot more that can be heard from either side.If Javier wants to make a stand though,what else can he do.

He can continue to act professionally by training and playing for the club he is under contract to. If he didn't want to play for Liverpool this long he shouldn't have signed the contract.

Signing a contract doesn't mean you have to give up your rights.And Liverpool or Spain.No contest

What fucking rights?
He is bound by contract to train and play for Liverpool and try and represent Club in positive manner in media. Hardly giving up your human fucking rights is it? I have some contractual obligations as well. If I didn't like them, then I shouldn't have ever signed it, right?

You make it sound like he is Aung San Suu Kyi.

You can't make someone do what they don't want to.As much of a little hitler you want to think of yourself.Contracts can be broken.There might be financial implications but thats a different matter.

The worst of it is that we fans pay hard earned money in order to watch and idolise these cosseted, cocoon dwelling cunts week in week out.

Rag_hater wrote:

bluej wrote:

Rag_hater wrote:I don't know who is right in this.I would say there is a lot more that can be heard from either side.If Javier wants to make a stand though,what else can he do.

He can continue to act professionally by training and playing for the club he is under contract to. If he didn't want to play for Liverpool this long he shouldn't have signed the contract.

Signing a contract doesn't mean you have to give up your rights.
And Liverpool or Spain.No contest

And by the same token, Liverpool, as depressing and hateful place that it is, have the right to expect this guy to honour the contract that he was so keen to sign when it gave him a load of dosh for singing, then a load more dosh deposited into his bank account every week. The moment he wants to break the contract his agent / minder bleat about the club holding him ransom, and it being very unfair on the player.

Sick of hearing about players and their rights, by agents and others, what about a football clubs right to keep the players who signed the contract in the first place, and they werent made to sign it with a gun being held to their heads.

this kind of behaviour by players like these, as well as players who think there above the law (ie nearly every player in the prem, especially those with a GB Passport), is the reason the most folk despise the modern day footballer.

City1970 wrote:


And by the same token, Liverpool, as depressing and hateful place that it is, have the right to expect this guy to honour the contract that he was so keen to sign when it gave him a load of dosh for singing.

I know these players claim to have 'a short career' but I hadn't realised they've taken to moonlighting - singing for their supper ;-)

City1970 wrote:

Rag_hater wrote:

bluej wrote:

Rag_hater wrote:I don't know who is right in this.I would say there is a lot more that can be heard from either side.If Javier wants to make a stand though,what else can he do.

He can continue to act professionally by training and playing for the club he is under contract to. If he didn't want to play for Liverpool this long he shouldn't have signed the contract.

Signing a contract doesn't mean you have to give up your rights.
And Liverpool or Spain.No contest

And by the same token, Liverpool, as depressing and hateful place that it is, have the right to expect this guy to honour the contract that he was so keen to sign when it gave him a load of dosh for singing, then a load more dosh deposited into his bank account every week. The moment he wants to break the contract his agent / minder bleat about the club holding him ransom, and it being very unfair on the player.

Sick of hearing about players and their rights, by agents and others, what about a football clubs right to keep the players who signed the contract in the first place, and they werent made to sign it with a gun being held to their heads.

this kind of behaviour by players like these, as well as players who think there above the law (ie nearly every player in the prem, especially those with a GB Passport), is the reason the most folk despise the modern day footballer.

What you or a club expect to happen and what actually does is totally different.And it looks to me as if Javier is rich enough to tell livefool to go and kiss his arse

Kladze wrote:

City1970 wrote:


And by the same token, Liverpool, as depressing and hateful place that it is, have the right to expect this guy to honour the contract that he was so keen to sign when it gave him a load of dosh for singing.

I know these players claim to have 'a short career' but I hadn't realised they've taken to moonlighting - singing for their supper ;-)

F**king spell checker!!!

Rag_hater wrote:

Niall Quinns Discopants wrote:

Rag_hater wrote:

bluej wrote:

Rag_hater wrote:I don't know who is right in this.I would say there is a lot more that can be heard from either side.If Javier wants to make a stand though,what else can he do.

He can continue to act professionally by training and playing for the club he is under contract to. If he didn't want to play for Liverpool this long he shouldn't have signed the contract.

Signing a contract doesn't mean you have to give up your rights.And Liverpool or Spain.No contest

What fucking rights?
He is bound by contract to train and play for Liverpool and try and represent Club in positive manner in media. Hardly giving up your human fucking rights is it? I have some contractual obligations as well. If I didn't like them, then I shouldn't have ever signed it, right?

You make it sound like he is Aung San Suu Kyi.

You can't make someone do what they don't want to.As much of a little hitler you want to think of yourself.Contracts can be broken.There might be financial implications but thats a different matter.

You seem to have no empathy with the soul of football & the feelings of football supporters whatsoever. You just don't get it & probably never will. The behaviour of players like Mascherano & Robinho is not something that should be shrugged off & have random excuses made for it. It's wrong. Most genuine football supporters, whichever club they support, know that & feel cheated by that kind of behaviour. If it becomes the norm, a lot of people who love football will stop watching it with the same passion & fall out of love with it. I doubt you have even the slightest idea what I'm talking about.