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Tevez up front on his own
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Sun Aug 29, 2010 4:04 pmby MaineRoadMemories
is never going to work away from home and will not work all the time at home either.
No matter how good we may become at passing without a targetman to hold the ball up we will never get vital possession in the opposition's penalty area. Tevez drops too deep and roams all over to be the focal point of our attack.
Re: Tevez up front on his own
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Sun Aug 29, 2010 4:06 pmby sandman
Totally agree, he doesnt have the height or the strength to be a lone man, he was never used in the right way at the swamp and didnt set the world on fire, he came here and was used correctly and became one of the best strikers in the best league in the world.
Why change a successful formula?
Re: Tevez up front on his own
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Sun Aug 29, 2010 4:08 pmby Moonchesteri
MaineRoadMemories wrote:is never going to work away from home and will not work all the time at home either.
No matter how good we may become at passing without a targetman to hold the ball up we will never get vital possession in the opposition's penalty area. Tevez drops too deep and roams all over to be the focal point of our attack.
Agree. Sometimes we are playing 4-3-3-0 when Tevez drops deep, we've no focal point at all to our attacking play. It's annoying.
It can be beautiful though when it works.
Re: Tevez up front on his own
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Sun Aug 29, 2010 4:10 pmby dazby
Yaya"s not tall enough? He was up there plenty.
Re: Tevez up front on his own
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Sun Aug 29, 2010 4:13 pmby MARKMAKAVELI
The whole 1 up front is the mentality is boring. 4-4-2 with proper wingers on either flank. Love it.
Who goes best with Tevez though? Noone has really stood out, to put it nicely.
Re: Tevez up front on his own
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Sun Aug 29, 2010 4:14 pmby peg-6
dazby wrote:Yaya"s not tall enough? He was up there plenty.
Yaya has to go up because there is nobody there. He is not supposed to be there.
Re: Tevez up front on his own
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Sun Aug 29, 2010 4:24 pmby brite blu sky
MaineRoadMemories wrote:is never going to work away from home and will not work all the time at home either.
No matter how good we may become at passing without a targetman to hold the ball up we will never get vital possession in the opposition's penalty area. Tevez drops too deep and roams all over to be the focal point of our attack.
Dont agree at all MRM. We dont need to play with a target man and i dont think we are going to play that way. We are building a way of passing through teams similar to Barca (imo) and it will take time. The few times we still lamp it up field are a residue of the way players have been used to in English football. We are learning to build from the back and not just bypass the midfield, it can be frustrating and does make you think sometimes that a more direct approach would be useful sometimes, but i think that Mancini is trying to get the players to play a different style and wont want them reverting to type.
Re: Tevez up front on his own
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Sun Aug 29, 2010 4:29 pmby MaineRoadMemories
brite blu sky wrote:MaineRoadMemories wrote:is never going to work away from home and will not work all the time at home either.
No matter how good we may become at passing without a targetman to hold the ball up we will never get vital possession in the opposition's penalty area. Tevez drops too deep and roams all over to be the focal point of our attack.
Dont agree at all MRM. We dont need to play with a target man and i dont think we are going to play that way. We are building a way of passing through teams similar to Barca (imo) and it will take time. The few times we still lamp it up field are a residue of the way players have been used to in English football. We are learning to build from the back and not just bypass the midfield, it can be frustrating and does make you think sometimes that a more direct approach would be useful sometimes, but i think that Mancini is trying to get the players to play a different style and wont want them reverting to type.
What makes Chelsea and United different to Arsenal? When they need a goal in the last 10 mins they bombard the opposition's box with ball after ball after ball. They play to win the game, not to look good passing the ball around the back line. To win things you need to learn how to win ugly.
Re: Tevez up front on his own
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Sun Aug 29, 2010 4:35 pmby Crossie
The idea behind it is the movement that Milner, Johnson, Yaya, or SWP and Silva can give up along with Tevez, we are not playing long ball, we are play clever pass and move, short passing game, runs into space, its pretty, it looks like Arsenal use to, I like it.
It works because once we settle and perfect it, you cant defend against it for 90 mins.
Tevez is just the fulcrum, he drifts all over the place pulling the centre backs apart, the other 2 in the 3 upfront are meant to drift into Tevez's position and play it about all fancy and the goals will come from all over.
It will work.
Re: Tevez up front on his own
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Sun Aug 29, 2010 4:38 pmby CityGer
dazby wrote:Yaya"s not tall enough? He was up there plenty.
Dazby in completely missing the point shocker.
I read the other week that you had 'dummed down your style and stopped explaining your views in full.'...adjusting to the audience, I think you caled it? I'd bin that approach if I were you as you come across as fucking clueless on most issues lately...... I genuinely mean that.
Agree with the OP, we need a focal point up front away from home. Not only does it give us an extra attacking option but it takes the heat of our defence. Really surprised that Bobby is going down this route. The vast majority of Italian managers build their team around a target man.
Re: Tevez up front on his own
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Sun Aug 29, 2010 4:43 pmby Kladze
CityGer wrote:dazby wrote:Yaya"s not tall enough? He was up there plenty.
Dazby in completely missing the point shocker.
I read the other week that you had 'dummed down your style and stopped explaining your views in full.'...adjusting to the audience, I think you caled it? I'd bin that approach if I were you as you come across as fucking clueless on most issues lately...... I genuinely mean that.
Agree with the OP, we need a focal point up front away from home. Not only does it give us an extra attacking option but it takes the heat of our defence. Really surprised that Bobby is going down this route. The vast majority of Italian managers build their team around a target man.
Steady on mate :-(
Re: Tevez up front on his own
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Sun Aug 29, 2010 4:53 pmby CityGer
Kladze wrote:CityGer wrote:dazby wrote:Yaya"s not tall enough? He was up there plenty.
Dazby in completely missing the point shocker.
I read the other week that you had 'dummed down your style and stopped explaining your views in full.'...adjusting to the audience, I think you caled it? I'd bin that approach if I were you as you come across as fucking clueless on most issues lately...... I genuinely mean that.
Agree with the OP, we need a focal point up front away from home. Not only does it give us an extra attacking option but it takes the heat of our defence. Really surprised that Bobby is going down this route. The vast majority of Italian managers build their team around a target man.
Steady on mate :-(
Why? I'm expressing an opinion. I felt I did it in a polite and considerate manner.
Dazby has completely missed the point of the O/P and has given us his usual throw away remark.
Re: Tevez up front on his own
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Sun Aug 29, 2010 4:54 pmby tchumatu
Football without strikers? It seems unthinkable, but Carlos Alberto Parreira, who led Brazil to World Cup glory in 1994, predicts 4-6-0 as the formation of the future
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2008/jun/08/euro2008
Re: Tevez up front on his own
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Sun Aug 29, 2010 5:05 pmby CityGer
CityGer wrote:Kladze wrote:CityGer wrote:dazby wrote:Yaya"s not tall enough? He was up there plenty.
Dazby in completely missing the point shocker.
I read the other week that you had 'dummed down your style and stopped explaining your views in full.'...adjusting to the audience, I think you caled it? I'd bin that approach if I were you as you come across as fucking clueless on most issues lately...... I genuinely mean that.
Agree with the OP, we need a focal point up front away from home. Not only does it give us an extra attacking option but it takes the heat of our defence. Really surprised that Bobby is going down this route. The vast majority of Italian managers build their team around a target man.
Steady on mate :-(
Why? I'm expressing an opinion. I felt I did it in a polite and considerate manner.
Dazby has completely missed the point of the O/P and has given us his usual throw away remark.
He's saying that because Yaya makes the odd forward run, we don't need a target man. It's nonesense, absolute bullshit and these one liner, throw away, piles of shit are fast becoming his MO on here.
Re: Tevez up front on his own
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Sun Aug 29, 2010 5:13 pmby brite blu sky
MaineRoadMemories wrote:brite blu sky wrote:MaineRoadMemories wrote:is never going to work away from home and will not work all the time at home either.
No matter how good we may become at passing without a targetman to hold the ball up we will never get vital possession in the opposition's penalty area. Tevez drops too deep and roams all over to be the focal point of our attack.
Dont agree at all MRM. We dont need to play with a target man and i dont think we are going to play that way. We are building a way of passing through teams similar to Barca (imo) and it will take time. The few times we still lamp it up field are a residue of the way players have been used to in English football. We are learning to build from the back and not just bypass the midfield, it can be frustrating and does make you think sometimes that a more direct approach would be useful sometimes, but i think that Mancini is trying to get the players to play a different style and wont want them reverting to type.
What makes Chelsea and United different to Arsenal? When they need a goal in the last 10 mins they bombard the opposition's box with ball after ball after ball. They play to win the game, not to look good passing the ball around the back line. To win things you need to learn how to win ugly.
i agree, but we are only as good as those teams on paper.. they have had a lot of practice to get that attitude and collective intensity.. and even then they also occasionally go down without a proper fight albeit quite rarely.
Too many of our players took their foot of the gas in the second half and it showed. While they are getting to know each others play it is vital to be playing at high intensity to make up for the lack of cohesion even against weaker teams. i have seen Barca go down in similar fashion to some of the weakest teams in la liga, so it can happen to anyone.
Re: Tevez up front on his own
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Sun Aug 29, 2010 5:15 pmby Fidel Castro
Never an out-and-out striker. Had a very poor game today, which can happen from time to time but why was he such a selfish cunt?!
Re: Tevez up front on his own
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Sun Aug 29, 2010 5:28 pmby Crossie
Your target man crashed his car and has done his knee in, and I fully expect a Torres style season of 25 games from him, none of which he is fully fit for. But still get 15 goals.
Re: Tevez up front on his own
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Sun Aug 29, 2010 5:59 pmby Dubciteh
i agree with OP, problem is, is ade the answer at the moment? based on his performances so far id say no, which leaves us with Jo whos not a target man.
options are throw RSC a lifeline or make a move in transfer market before tues, i dont think we will get where we want to get with our current frontline especially as Ade is all over the place. if he gets his act together he can be the man we need but do we have time for that??
Re: Tevez up front on his own
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Sun Aug 29, 2010 6:04 pmby Ted Hughes
It did work for me. We should have been 2 up at half time. We can't miss chances like that & finish top 4, whatever the formation. Logical argument about the formation goes out of the window when that happens. We should have just taken the point.
Re: Tevez up front on his own
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Sun Aug 29, 2010 10:05 pmby gillie
Ted Hughes wrote:It did work for me. We should have been 2 up at half time. We can't miss chances like that & finish top 4, whatever the formation. Logical argument about the formation goes out of the window when that happens. We should have just taken the point.
Exactly Ted i bet Tevez would score that sitter he missed 99 times out 100 today was the ton.