Silva Part 2.

[Ted Hughes]

Where are we going to play him then? When are we going to put him in the 1st 11 & in what formation & who misses out seeing as we now have Balotelli coming into the picture as well?

How long before he's fully PL match fit? If we don't start using him soon, how long before he becomes disgruntled?

He's a big signing & Mancini certainly really wanted him to be a big, important part of the plan, so where & in place of whom?

[Kladze]

Post number 6.000 Ted?

Did you miss an opportunity there?

[brite blu sky]

I really think there are two major aspects to this

1. Him getting up to speed with the Prem.. and how long that takes ( he may even have to shift role )

2. How 1 pans out and who he starts to play best / develop understanding with.

I think 1 may take a while. And i think Bob will use him when it suits Silva's game and who the oppo is.

Long term i would like to see him in front of Yaya in the centre instead of Uncle Carlos's deep position. Balotelli/ Ade up front and AJ and Milner or SWP out wide. Basically as a complete change from relying on Tevez.

[Ted Hughes]

Post number 6.000 Ted?

Did you miss an opportunity there?

No. I'm just a bit shy.

[Ted Hughes]

I really think there are two major aspects to this

1. Him getting up to speed with the Prem.. and how long that takes ( he may even have to shift role )

2. How 1 pans out and who he starts to play best / develop understanding with.

I think 1 may take a while. And i think Bob will use him when it suits Silva's game and who the oppo is.

Long term i would like to see him in front of Yaya in the centre instead of Uncle Carlos's deep position. Balotelli/ Ade up front and AJ and Milner or SWP out wide. Basically as a complete change from relying on Tevez.

I'm wondering how long it's possible to keep a player like Silva on the sidelines though. Positionally I can't see him as a replacement for Tevez. There are too many other aspects to Tevez' game; goals workrate etc.

I could actually see him as an alternative to Johnson with Tevez centre & Balotelli left or playing Yaya's position with Tevez & Balotelli upfront. It's not obvious how he'll get in though. We need to get him involved soon or pressure will build.

[ronk]

He was late into pre-season and is still settling into the squad. It's been mostly old guns (such as we have) who've been playing but Silva has still played 90 minutes twice, most of another match and one late sub appearance. 4 out of 5 matches during a busy spell where we were rotating players really isn't so bad.

Sometimes I wonder if the 2 weeks without City games has people thinking that players are getting frustrated with not being played.

[brite blu sky]

I really think there are two major aspects to this

1. Him getting up to speed with the Prem.. and how long that takes ( he may even have to shift role )

2. How 1 pans out and who he starts to play best / develop understanding with.

I think 1 may take a while. And i think Bob will use him when it suits Silva's game and who the oppo is.

Long term i would like to see him in front of Yaya in the centre instead of Uncle Carlos's deep position. Balotelli/ Ade up front and AJ and Milner or SWP out wide. Basically as a complete change from relying on Tevez.

I'm wondering how long it's possible to keep a player like Silva on the sidelines though. Positionally I can't see him as a replacement for Tevez. There are too many other aspects to Tevez' game; goals workrate etc.

I could actually see him as an alternative to Johnson with Tevez centre & Balotelli left or playing Yaya's position with Tevez & Balotelli upfront. It's not obvious how he'll get in though. We need to get him involved soon or pressure will build.

Yeah tbh i was thinking very much the same.. ie he will have to compete with AJ. But then ive been thinking also that although it is difficult to see us not using Tevez, i really think we have to develop another approach and suffer the loss of evrything Carlito brings. He cant play every game and we cant rely on him so much, something has to give. If you take Tevez out of the running and then dream up teams and tactics with what is left, there is plenty to go at. So imo that would be sensible for us to do.

As for how long for him to settle in.. fucl knows, but i think he at least will be very aware he needs time to adapt.. the fans and the press though are another matter.

[Ted Hughes]

I really think there are two major aspects to this

1. Him getting up to speed with the Prem.. and how long that takes ( he may even have to shift role )

2. How 1 pans out and who he starts to play best / develop understanding with.

I think 1 may take a while. And i think Bob will use him when it suits Silva's game and who the oppo is.

Long term i would like to see him in front of Yaya in the centre instead of Uncle Carlos's deep position. Balotelli/ Ade up front and AJ and Milner or SWP out wide. Basically as a complete change from relying on Tevez.

I'm wondering how long it's possible to keep a player like Silva on the sidelines though. Positionally I can't see him as a replacement for Tevez. There are too many other aspects to Tevez' game; goals workrate etc.

I could actually see him as an alternative to Johnson with Tevez centre & Balotelli left or playing Yaya's position with Tevez & Balotelli upfront. It's not obvious how he'll get in though. We need to get him involved soon or pressure will build.

Yeah tbh i was thinking very much the same.. ie he will have to compete with AJ. But then ive been thinking also that although it is difficult to see us not using Tevez, i really think we have to develop another approach and suffer the loss of evrything Carlito brings. He cant play every game and we cant rely on him so much, something has to give. If you take Tevez out of the running and then dream up teams and tactics with what is left, there is plenty to go at. So imo that would be sensible for us to do.

As for how long for him to settle in.. fucl knows, but i think he at least will be very aware he needs time to adapt.. the fans and the press though are another matter.

Oh we'll definitely have to use an alternative plan to Tevez, for sure but Silva at his best, is an 'A' team player who starts the big games & you would expect a plan needs to be found for him & Tevez to work together. I'm sure when Mancini went for him it was with a view to playing both of them.

[brite blu sky]

I really think there are two major aspects to this

1. Him getting up to speed with the Prem.. and how long that takes ( he may even have to shift role )

2. How 1 pans out and who he starts to play best / develop understanding with.

I think 1 may take a while. And i think Bob will use him when it suits Silva's game and who the oppo is.

Long term i would like to see him in front of Yaya in the centre instead of Uncle Carlos's deep position. Balotelli/ Ade up front and AJ and Milner or SWP out wide. Basically as a complete change from relying on Tevez.

I'm wondering how long it's possible to keep a player like Silva on the sidelines though. Positionally I can't see him as a replacement for Tevez. There are too many other aspects to Tevez' game; goals workrate etc.

I could actually see him as an alternative to Johnson with Tevez centre & Balotelli left or playing Yaya's position with Tevez & Balotelli upfront. It's not obvious how he'll get in though. We need to get him involved soon or pressure will build.

Yeah tbh i was thinking very much the same.. ie he will have to compete with AJ. But then ive been thinking also that although it is difficult to see us not using Tevez, i really think we have to develop another approach and suffer the loss of evrything Carlito brings. He cant play every game and we cant rely on him so much, something has to give. If you take Tevez out of the running and then dream up teams and tactics with what is left, there is plenty to go at. So imo that would be sensible for us to do.

As for how long for him to settle in.. fucl knows, but i think he at least will be very aware he needs time to adapt.. the fans and the press though are another matter.

Oh we'll definitely have to use an alternative plan to Tevez, for sure but Silva at his best, is an 'A' team player who starts the big games & you would expect a plan needs to be found for him & Tevez to work together. I'm sure when Mancini went for him it was with a view to playing both of them.

yes im sure Bob has got a plan for what he imagines and im sure that must include the two of them. If you look at the permutations of who can play where etc it is a bit mindboggling. It will take some time to see the best combinations appearing. My hope is that we end up with multi set ups that are very difficult to choose from and just as potent/effective.

[the_georgian_genius]

Might not see the best of Silva til next season. Just have to be paitent and enjoy the flashes of brilliance he will do and tolerate the stuff that doesn't come off.

What we don't need is for him to be turned on by his own when the media will be doing that for him. The good thing is he can play anywhere across the midfield so he is very versatile.

Been really impressed with what i have seen from him so far and cannot wait til he is firing on all cylinders.

[DoomMerchant]

i'm not sure why many seem to be of the opinion that he isn't match fit?

i think what we're seeing is his game, and he's playing it and looks ready to go. Sure, he's had a long summer, and he's got some chemistry issues to work out coming into a new side, but he hasn't had any niggling injuries and he isn't lacking for fitness that i can see.

WRT to the original post regarding his position...i think the danger is that his best position is probably in the spaces (in the hole) where Tevez performs best. Maybe some of our posters based on spain can comment, because i haven't watched Silva more than 10 times in my life before he came to City, but it seemed like for his club he was in the middle pulling strings and making space or create link up plays from the middle of the pitch which gave him some chances to finish as well. With Spain he was on the wing, and seemingly less effective imho. Anyone have better informed feedback?

Captain Caveman likes to take up a lot of space, and he and SIlva will have to learn how to play together. Ireland couldn't do it and gave up when he saw the success Tevez was having, literally at Ireland's expense. I hope Silva and Tevez form a better partnership.

Adding Bolatelli into the mix might make that even harder in terms of space/understanding, but it should provide even more opportunities to showcase their skills.

Selection headache time for Mr. Mancini! I think it will take until November for our midfield and strikeforce to play at a consistent level together.

cheers

[Dubaimancityfan]

Post number 6.000 Ted?

Did you miss an opportunity there?

Ted,

I see that you joined the forum in Jan 2009 and have already exceeded 6000 posts ! That's quite an achievment mate.

Cheers.

[Beeks]

Hmmm...not sure but I think Silva is unjustly going to become the victim of City fans impatience

I very much doubt this is a fitness issue

The lad just needs time to settle in...remember he has been at Valencia most of his career and has never experienced other clubs/countries/lifestyles

Silva is fucking class...make absolutely no mistake

Taggart wasn't tracking him and coveting him for 2 years for nothing

He will come not just good...but very good in due course...it was a major coup that we signed him

I for one am looking forward to seeing what he can do when he gets up to speed

[BlueMoonAwoken]

Im hoping you guys are right just seeing him in the few games i have, his size is a worry for me and the amount of time he wants on the ball is way to slow for the premiership but run of games should hopefully get him up to speed. I just have a feeling he will be another robinho but he is spanish so he has one up on robbie.

[Ted Hughes]

Post number 6.000 Ted?

Did you miss an opportunity there?

Ted,

I see that you joined the forum in Jan 2009 and have already exceeded 6000 posts ! That's quite an achievment mate.

Cheers.

The date's wrong. It all went pear shaped one day & for some reason I ended up with that joining date. Can't remember when I actually first posted but it was well before then!

[Ted Hughes]

Im hoping you guys are right just seeing him in the few games i have, his size is a worry for me and the amount of time he wants on the ball is way to slow for the premiership but run of games should hopefully get him up to speed. I just have a feeling he will be another robinho but he is spanish so he has one up on robbie.

He has been off the pace so far. The 'fitness' thing people are referring to is actually mostly match fitness due to missing pre season, which we're hoping is the reason for him being off the pace. Also, If anyone looks at the Sunderland goal, he started to track the runner & gave up half way. If he was fully fit, I'd like to think he'd make more of an effort in such an important phase of the game. If that's not the case, then he won't be around very long as neither Mancini nor the fans will let him off with it forever, as Robinho & Ireland found.

[BlueMoonAwoken]

Im hoping you guys are right just seeing him in the few games i have, his size is a worry for me and the amount of time he wants on the ball is way to slow for the premiership but run of games should hopefully get him up to speed. I just have a feeling he will be another robinho but he is spanish so he has one up on robbie.

He has been off the pace so far. The 'fitness' thing people are referring to is actually mostly match fitness due to missing pre season, which we're hoping is the reason for him being off the pace. Also, If anyone looks at the Sunderland goal, he started to track the runner & gave up half way. If he was fully fit, I'd like to think he'd make more of an effort in such an important phase of the game. If that's not the case, then he won't be around very long as neither Mancini nor the fans will let him off with it forever, as Robinho & Ireland found.

yeah i agree, im not one of the fans who jump on someone who has had a bad game, i will give him at least 6 to 9 months before making a final judgement on him.

[Dubaimancityfan]

Post number 6.000 Ted?

Did you miss an opportunity there?

Ted,

I see that you joined the forum in Jan 2009 and have already exceeded 6000 posts ! That's quite an achievment mate.

Cheers.

The date's wrong. It all went pear shaped one day & for some reason I ended up with that joining date. Can't remember when I actually first posted but it was well before then!

I thought the figures didn't add up and you certainly don't sound like someone who joined last year !

On topic, I think Silva needs time to settle into the English game and and agood run of matched. So its way too early to make any judgments. The guy is certainly talented from the little I have seen of him in a City shirt so far.

[brite blu sky]

He has already shown some flashes of what he can do on the ball, we will see more of that especially during games where we have the upper hand and that will keep fans happy while he settles in imo. For him to develop into a key player and dictate during games will take some time and again i would expect that to come in fits and starts tbh. So if we continue to see bits and bobs then we are all gonna be happy enough. It could take a whole season for him to really get into his stride, we know he is a fantastic player and we know that Bobby believes in him so i dont think there is anything to worry about really. It would of course be great to see him develop some partnerships with other players and that could be the key early on. If Yaya, Silva and Mario hit it off it could transform the whole way we see the set up under Mancini.

[citytilidie]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/footba ... Silva.html

fuck sake - already being linked to a move