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Posted: **Mon Sep 13, 2010 12:48 pm**

Hart accepts blame

Joe Hart has accepted responsibility for the gaffe that led to Blackburn’s goal on Saturday but urged fans not to get too down over the loss of two points.

Rovers took a shock lead when England star Hart and central defender Kolo Toure had a miscommunication outside the penalty area.

The Blues recovered to equalise through Patrick Vieira but couldn’t find the winner.

“I got there and Kolo was about to head it, he heard me coming and left it. It was me getting in the way if I am honest. I hold my hands up. I am sorry for that,” reflected the Three Lions goalkeeper.

“I thought we did ok after the goal but Blackburn defended well. Paul Robinson did great. The save from Gareth Barry was special; all the rest of the saves he would expect to make but it is not just as easy as that.

"Their goalkeeper has been the star
man and Chris Samba has made a
great last ditch clearance from Jo
which shows we had more of the
game"

“It was a shame we couldn’t find the winner and we were all really disappointed. We are going to have difficult games this season where teams are going to come here and defend.

“Although we are disappointed with the result we must learn and keep moving forward. Like we did at Sunderland; we played some good football at times and just needed that break in front of goal."

Hart had previously been beaten only once this Premier League and Europa League season and that a last minute penalty at the Stadium of Light.

“Defensively we feel as though we have made a decent start to the season. We have still in only one goal from open play and that was a pretty freaky one,” he concluded.

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Posted: **Mon Sep 13, 2010 12:49 pm**

That was sound of him.

Posted: **Mon Sep 13, 2010 12:52 pm**

1 chance down. So how many more does this guy have before he's benched?

Posted: **Mon Sep 13, 2010 1:03 pm**

I think he made up for it in the game later on to be honest... does the revoke the "one chance down" thing?

We could have easily gone 2:1 down at the end if not for his safe.

Posted: **Mon Sep 13, 2010 1:58 pm**

I still wouldn't blame Hart for the goal. Toure went for it and then backed out. Whether he heard Hart behind him or not if no shout was given he should have headed it clear.

Posted: **Mon Sep 13, 2010 1:59 pm**

smurfsdabomb wrote:1 chance down. So how many more does this guy have before he's benched?

If we dropped him after one mistake it would ruin his confidence. Goalkeeper is the hardest position on the pitch cos you don't have your mate next to you who can help you out, your there on your own and ultimately your mistake can be more costly than a centre backs mistake for instance. People shouldn't concentrate on the negative and concentrate on the positives. He got us a point at spurs and made a great save from Torres against Liverpool which if he hadn't could have changed the game.
Are you saying that he should be dropped after that 1 mistake?

Posted: **Mon Sep 13, 2010 3:38 pm**

At least his gaff wasn't as bad as this one :

http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/blogs/wor ... cle/22038/

Posted: **Mon Sep 13, 2010 3:43 pm**

MaseCTID wrote:I still wouldn't blame Hart for the goal. Toure went for it and then backed out. Whether he heard Hart behind him or not if no shout was given he should have headed it clear.

It was Hart's fault in my opinion. If a keeper is going to run 25 yards off his line, he has to deal with the ball. Hart shouldn't have run out. If Hart hadn't run out, it wouldn't have put that element of doubt into Toure's mind and he would have dealt with it. Hart running out just complicated the issue for me.

This was bound to happen to him at some point in the season, and now he has accepted the responsibility and he can learn from it...That's the most important thing now.

Posted: **Mon Sep 13, 2010 3:52 pm**

What is interesting is the point that he didn't mention if he shouted to Kolo or not. If he didn't then he's a dick coming that far out and not shout IMO and I think that Sister Of Fu would concur.

Posted: **Mon Sep 13, 2010 4:09 pm**

smurfsdabomb wrote:1 chance down. So how many more does this guy have before he's benched?

That's not a serious question, is it? It's a WUM post?

Posted: **Mon Sep 13, 2010 5:53 pm**

Elvistheblue wrote:
MaseCTID wrote:I still wouldn't blame Hart for the goal. Toure went for it and then backed out. Whether he heard Hart behind him or not if no shout was given he should have headed it clear.

It was Hart's fault in my opinion. If a keeper is going to run 25 yards off his line, he has to deal with the ball. Hart shouldn't have run out. If Hart hadn't run out, it wouldn't have put that element of doubt into Toure's mind and he would have dealt with it. Hart running out just complicated the issue for me.

This was bound to happen to him at some point in the season, and now he has accepted the responsibility and he can learn from it...That's the most important thing now.

Can't agree with you Elvis. Mase in my opinion is correct. If there is any ounce of doubt in the defenders mind, then he must remove the danger himself. Never, every rely on somebody else to do it. So I personally don't care what Joe thought he was upto, Kolo was on the ball and he left it. He should not have done that. It's noble of Joe to take the blame , although i don't think there is any need for either player to publicly make a comment on a mistake. These things happen in football and in life.

Posted: **Mon Sep 13, 2010 8:13 pm**

Burt wrote:What is interesting is the point that he didn't mention if he shouted to Kolo or not. If he didn't then he's a dick coming that far out and not shout IMO and I think that Sister Of Fu would concur.

Like I said in a previous post if he is coming that far out he has to clear the lot out, ball and players but watching it back he should never have been there in the first place. Silly decsion which I think he knows and one he will learn from.

Posted: **Mon Sep 13, 2010 9:09 pm**

Kolo should have cleared it then bollocked Joe for his rush of blood ie put your fuckin dick away big man.Well thats what i would have done and said.

Posted: **Mon Sep 13, 2010 9:30 pm**

Sister of fu wrote:
Burt wrote:What is interesting is the point that he didn't mention if he shouted to Kolo or not. If he didn't then he's a dick coming that far out and not shout IMO and I think that Sister Of Fu would concur.

Like I said in a previous post if he is coming that far out he has to clear the lot out, ball and players but watching it back he should never have been there in the first place. Silly decsion which I think he knows and one he will learn from.

It didn't seem as if he shouted but even though Hart fucked up, Toure made a right arse of it as well. I'm sat near there & even I thught he was moving to head the ball then he suddenly ducked under it.

Just seen this, saying Hart's playing on Thurs. Shay will be gone at Christmas if he can't even get Europa games.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/footba ... ncini.html

Posted: **Mon Sep 13, 2010 9:46 pm**

Toure was put in an invidious position, if he'd gone for the ball he might have collided with Hart and the result would still have been a goal plus a possible injury. Hart was able to make it, but having come he bizarrely stopped and let the ball bounce a 2nd time in front of him. He didn't even make that good a challenge for the ball.

If he decides to clear it he now has a lot less options too. He can't pass back to Hart and any Blackburn player who gets to the ball first will have a massive open goal. I really don't see how there be any debate about it.

Posted: **Mon Sep 13, 2010 9:49 pm**

ronk wrote:Toure was put in an invidious position, if he'd gone for the ball he might have collided with Hart and the result would still have been a goal plus a possible injury. Hart was able to make it, but having come he bizarrely stopped and let the ball bounce a 2nd time in front of him. He didn't even make that good a challenge for the ball.

If he decides to clear it he now has a lot less options too. He can't pass back to Hart and any Blackburn player who gets to the ball first will have a massive open goal. I really don't see how there be any debate about it.

No debate from me. Hart made a mistake & Toure compounded it.

Posted: **Mon Sep 13, 2010 9:56 pm**

ronk wrote:If he decides to clear it he now has a lot less options too. He can't pass back to Hart and any Blackburn player who gets to the ball first will have a massive open goal.

This bit for me, he would only have really been able to head it away, and given they were pretty much dead centre of the pitch there was a good chance a Blackburn player would get the second ball.

Posted: **Tue Sep 14, 2010 2:41 am**

MaseCTID wrote:I still wouldn't blame Hart for the goal. Toure went for it and then backed out. Whether he heard Hart behind him or not if no shout was given he should have headed it clear.

Then you are either burying your head in the sand or sticking with the player you like (Hart) against the player you don't like so much (Kolo Toure).

The reason I disagree with you is this.

If a goalie comes for the ball, defenders get out of his way to make it easier for him to get the ball. This is elementary defending. It is easier/better for the goalie to play the ball because a) he can catch it (though not in this case), b) he is moving away from goal while the defender is going towards goal and so can clear more effectively, and c) he can see more of what's going on. If a goalie comes and doesn't get the ball, it is 100% the goalie's fault. No goalie will ever disagree with that - witness comments from our own international 'keeper here on the board. And if they are being honest, very few defenders will disagree either.

Hart's fault, mate. I like him too but he is not beyond criticism. He did largely the same thing (coming for the ball and getting nowhere near it) a few years ago at West Brom in the last minute and they beat us, if anyone remembers. He has got to learn from his mistakes. A short spell on the bench to think about it will help him.

Posted: **Tue Sep 14, 2010 9:24 am**

Tokyo Blue wrote:
MaseCTID wrote:I still wouldn't blame Hart for the goal. Toure went for it and then backed out. Whether he heard Hart behind him or not if no shout was given he should have headed it clear.

Then you are either burying your head in the sand or sticking with the player you like (Hart) against the player you don't like so much (Kolo Toure).

The reason I disagree with you is this.

If a goalie comes for the ball, defenders get out of his way to make it easier for him to get the ball. This is elementary defending. It is easier/better for the goalie to play the ball because a) he can catch it (though not in this case), b) he is moving away from goal while the defender is going towards goal and so can clear more effectively, and c) he can see more of what's going on. If a goalie comes and doesn't get the ball, it is 100% the goalie's fault. No goalie will ever disagree with that - witness comments from our own international 'keeper here on the board. And if they are being honest, very few defenders will disagree either.

Hart's fault, mate. I like him too but he is not beyond criticism. He did largely the same thing (coming for the ball and getting nowhere near it) a few years ago at West Brom in the last minute and they beat us, if anyone remembers. He has got to learn from his mistakes. A short spell on the bench to think about it will help him.

I think that's the interesting thing with this. Everyone sat around me was quick to jump on Kolo toure's back after the Blackburn goal, and I think that is down to the fact that Hart is seen as the blue eyed boy who can do no wrong, yet Toure is still seen by many as a waste of space. There are alot of fans that haven't really taken to Toure, and maybe justifiably so as last season he didn't have a great season but I think there are factors to that and this season he has been playing much better. It's easy to blame Toure in this situation, but i really do think that Hart was at fault on this occasion.

Posted: **Tue Sep 14, 2010 12:00 pm**

Tokyo Blue wrote:
MaseCTID wrote:I still wouldn't blame Hart for the goal. Toure went for it and then backed out. Whether he heard Hart behind him or not if no shout was given he should have headed it clear.

Then you are either burying your head in the sand or sticking with the player you like (Hart) against the player you don't like so much (Kolo Toure).

The reason I disagree with you is this.

If a goalie comes for the ball, defenders get out of his way to make it easier for him to get the ball. This is elementary defending. It is easier/better for the goalie to play the ball because a) he can catch it (though not in this case), b) he is moving away from goal while the defender is going towards goal and so can clear more effectively, and c) he can see more of what's going on. If a goalie comes and doesn't get the ball, it is 100% the goalie's fault. No goalie will ever disagree with that - witness comments from our own international 'keeper here on the board. And if they are being honest, very few defenders will disagree either.

Hart's fault, mate. I like him too but he is not beyond criticism. He did largely the same thing (coming for the ball and getting nowhere near it) a few years ago at West Brom in the last minute and they beat us, if anyone remembers. He has got to learn from his mistakes. A short spell on the bench to think about it will help him.

I don't dislike Kolo mate, I absolutely hate him and want him out of the club asap! I'm not going to boo him or get on his back at matches though. But saying that I'm not particular in love with Hart either.

But my opinion wasn't based on whether I liked the player or not. I like Micah Richards but I can give an honest opinion and say when he has a bad match. The people saying 'well if a gk comes that far out he's got to go through everyone and claim it' can I ask how is that different from a defender going for something and ducking out of the way when no one has shouted for it? Surely they should go through everyone and claim it too?? Would John Terry have ducked away from the ball or would he have put his ugly head in there?

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