Squad Problems Ahead

[johnny crossan]

Next season's senior squads for the PL & Europe will be a problem in terms of meeting Association Trained & Club Trained requirements - any solutions?

[Ted Hughes]

Can't see even the beginning of a hint of a problem myself.

[blues-clues]

We are going to sell, offload or not renew the contracts of 23 players? Seems a little optimistic (or extreme) where did this table come from? Tevez leaving? Torres Coming.

[john@staustell]

Complete gobbledygook.

And who the fuck is Rogelio Funesmore?

[Douglas Higginbottom]

We are going to sell, offload or not renew the contracts of 23 players? Seems a little optimistic (or extreme) where did this table come from? Tevez leaving? Torres Coming.

Some planet far far away:)

I think we can trust that somebody in charge will know what they are doing.

[johnny crossan]

Can't see even the beginning of a hint of a problem myself.

that's alright then, do you plan to buy Joey & Sturridge back?

[johnny crossan]

Complete gobbledygook.

And who the fuck is Rogelio Funesmore?

I expect better from seers such as yourself

[Ted Hughes]

Can't see even the beginning of a hint of a problem myself.

that's alright then, do you plan to buy Joey & Sturridge back?

What for?

[blues-clues]

Complete gobbledygook.

And who the fuck is Rogelio Funesmore?

Sounds like a porn star.......allegedly.

[johnny crossan]

Can't see even the beginning of a hint of a problem myself.

that's alright then, do you plan to buy Joey & Sturridge back?

What for?

4 Club Trained Over 21 Squad Members for the Champs League?

[Beefymcfc]

Where's the Abu Dhabi Hotel Crest? It's not real if it's not got the Crest on it!

[johnny crossan]

Where's the Abu Dhabi Hotel Crest? It's not real if it's not got the Crest on it!

I left it off because it might cause confusion - needn't have bothered it seems

[CityFanFromRome]

Can't see even the beginning of a hint of a problem myself.

that's alright then, do you plan to buy Joey & Sturridge back?

What for?

4 Club Trained Over 21 Squad Members for the Champs League?

I don't know if it's actually this way, but the way I understand the rules, you have to register 4 club trained squad members, not necessarily U21; but the U21 can play anyway even if they are not registered, so the solution to the problem would be to register a couple of U21 into the 25 squad list. The real problem comes if, to do so, we are forced to leave out some senior members. I haven't counted how many senior players we are supposed to have from that sheet, so I don't know if that's actually a problem or not.

[johnny crossan]

Can't see even the beginning of a hint of a problem myself.

that's alright then, do you plan to buy Joey & Sturridge back?

What for?

4 Club Trained Over 21 Squad Members for the Champs League?

I don't know if it's actually this way, but the way I understand the rules, you have to register 4 club trained squad members, not necessarily U21; but the U21 can play anyway even if they are not registered, so the solution to the problem would be to register a couple of U21 into the 25 squad list. The real problem comes if, to do so, we are forced to leave out some senior members. I haven't counted how many senior players we are supposed to have from that sheet, so I don't know if that's actually a problem or not.

That's the issue in a nutshell, who do you leave out to play the U21s. After the clearout our replacements will all be expecting Champs League appearances. If I wasn't an intellectual pygmy I would have started with your post!

[Ted Hughes]

Can't see even the beginning of a hint of a problem myself.

that's alright then, do you plan to buy Joey & Sturridge back?

What for?

4 Club Trained Over 21 Squad Members for the Champs League?

Please read:


Q What are the current UEFA Rules?

A: The current UEFA rules state that the 25 man squad submitted by each club playing in the UEFA Champions League must have at least 8 locally trained players named in it.

Q: What is meant by a locally trained player?

A A locally trained player can either be club trained or association trained for the purposes of the UEFA rule.

Q What is the difference between a club trained player or an association trained player?

A I n order for a player to be viewed as a locally trained player he must have been trained in that country for a specific time period between a certain age. A player could either have been trained at one specific club and he will then be regarded as a club trained player. If the player has been trained at different clubs in that country during that time period then he will be regarded as an association trained player as the two clubs will be affiliated to the same association.

Q At what age and for how long must a player be trained to be considered a locally trained player?

A The player must have been registered at that club or different clubs affiliated to the same association for a period of three full football seasons, or 36 months between the age of 15 and 21.

Q Does this apply regardless of nationality?

A This rule applies regardless of the nationality of the player meaning that young players who move to a different country between the ages of 15 and 21 and who have played for three full seasons in that country will be regarded as locally trained in that country.


We did all this months ago.

[johnny crossan]

Can't see even the beginning of a hint of a problem myself.

that's alright then, do you plan to buy Joey & Sturridge back?

What for?

4 Club Trained Over 21 Squad Members for the Champs League?

Please read:


Q What are the current UEFA Rules?

A: The current UEFA rules state that the 25 man squad submitted by each club playing in the UEFA Champions League must have at least 8 locally trained players named in it.

Q: What is meant by a locally trained player?

A A locally trained player can either be club trained or association trained for the purposes of the UEFA rule.

Q What is the difference between a club trained player or an association trained player?

A I n order for a player to be viewed as a locally trained player he must have been trained in that country for a specific time period between a certain age. A player could either have been trained at one specific club and he will then be regarded as a club trained player. If the player has been trained at different clubs in that country during that time period then he will be regarded as an association trained player as the two clubs will be affiliated to the same association.

Q At what age and for how long must a player be trained to be considered a locally trained player?

A The player must have been registered at that club or different clubs affiliated to the same association for a period of three full football seasons, or 36 months between the age of 15 and 21.

Q Does this apply regardless of nationality?

A This rule applies regardless of the nationality of the player meaning that young players who move to a different country between the ages of 15 and 21 and who have played for three full seasons in that country will be regarded as locally trained in that country.


We did all this months ago.

You've got it wrong Ted,that is the Premiership rule, for UEFA 8 squad members must be association trained of which 4 must be Club trained. Simples.

[Ted Hughes]

From the UEFA rule book.

Conditions for registration: List A
18.08 No club may have more than 25 players on List A during the season. As a
minimum, eight places are reserved exclusively for “locally trained players”
and no club may have more than four “association-trained players” listed on
these eight places on List A. List A must specify at least eight players who
qualify as being “locally trained”, as well as whether they are “club-trained” or
“association-trained”. The possible combinations that enable clubs to comply
with the List A requirements are set out in Annex VIII.
18.09 A “locally trained player” is either a “club-trained player” or an “associationtrained
player”.
18.10 A “club-trained player” is a player who, between the age of 15 (or the start of
the season during which he turns 15) and 21 (or the end of the season during
which he turns 21), and irrespective of his nationality and age, has been
registered with his current club for a period, continuous or not, of three entire
seasons (i.e. a period starting with the first official match of the relevant
national championship and ending with the last official match of that relevant
national championship) or of 36 months.
18.11 An “association-trained player” is a player who, between the age of 15 (or the
start of the season during which the player turns 15) and 21 (or the end of
the season during which the player turns 21), and irrespective of his
nationality and age, has been registered with a club or with other clubs
affiliated to the same national association as that of his current club for a
period, continuous or not, of three entire seasons or of 36 months.
18.12 If a club has fewer than eight locally trained players in its squad, then the
maximum number of players on List A is reduced accordingly.

[Ted Hughes]

You've got it wrong Ted,that is the Premiership rule, for UEFA 8 squad members must be association trained of which 4 must be Club trained. Simples.

Why would we have a problem putting 4 homegrown players in amongst 25? That leaves us 21 others.

[johnny crossan]

From the UEFA rule book.

Conditions for registration: List A
18.08 No club may have more than 25 players on List A during the season. As a
minimum, eight places are reserved exclusively for “locally trained players”
and no club may have more than four “association-trained players” listed on
these eight places on List A. List A must specify at least eight players who
qualify as being “locally trained”, as well as whether they are “club-trained” or
“association-trained”. The possible combinations that enable clubs to comply
with the List A requirements are set out in Annex VIII.
18.09 A “locally trained player” is either a “club-trained player” or an “associationtrained
player”.
18.10 A “club-trained player” is a player who, between the age of 15 (or the start of
the season during which he turns 15) and 21 (or the end of the season during
which he turns 21), and irrespective of his nationality and age, has been
registered with his current club for a period, continuous or not, of three entire
seasons (i.e. a period starting with the first official match of the relevant
national championship and ending with the last official match of that relevant
national championship) or of 36 months.
18.11 An “association-trained player” is a player who, between the age of 15 (or the
start of the season during which the player turns 15) and 21 (or the end of
the season during which the player turns 21), and irrespective of his
nationality and age, has been registered with a club or with other clubs
affiliated to the same national association as that of his current club for a
period, continuous or not, of three entire seasons or of 36 months.
18.12 If a club has fewer than eight locally trained players in its squad, then the
maximum number of players on List A is reduced accordingly.

That's exactly right Ted. So the crucial difference is the Premiership specifies 8 association-trained players (i.e. "home-grown") whereas UEFA specifies that of those 8, four must be club trained. Hence our problem - we haven't got them if SWP, Ned, Weiss, Logan etc all go and we have to sacrifice good players and expensive new signings to include U21 makeweights in the Champs League Squad.

[CityFanFromRome]

That's the issue in a nutshell, who do you leave out to play the U21s. After the clearout our replacements will all be expecting Champs League appearances. If I wasn't an intellectual pygmy I would have started with your post!

I've counted now and if i'm not mistaken, adding who stays to who should come we would have 24 senior players; one space free for an U21, and we would only need to leave one senior player out; just leave out a keeper and replace him with Karius from the U21, job done,w e have 25 players with four club trained. ;)