Ade

[citytilidie]

Surely despite their differences he should be on the bench at least? Would have been useful to throw him on yesterday

[thegoatfeeder]

Surely despite their differences he should be on the bench at least? Would have been useful to throw him on yesterday

This isn't a major criticism of Mancini, because obviously he is doing a good job, but it does frustrate me sometimes that he puts personal feelings before the good of the club. Ade should be playing a major part whether the manager likes him as a person or not, he isn't blind and can clearly see he's better than Jo, but he is putting his personal feelings to the guy before the good of the team, I think the same could be said with Bellers.

[Beefymcfc]

Surely despite their differences he should be on the bench at least? Would have been useful to throw him on yesterday

This isn't a major criticism of Mancini, because obviously he is doing a good job, but it does frustrate me sometimes that he puts personal feelings before the good of the club. Ade should be playing a major part whether the manager likes him as a person or not, he isn't blind and can clearly see he's better than Jo, but he is putting his personal feelings to the guy before the good of the team, I think the same could be said with Bellers.

I think there maybe more to it than that, but who knows?

[Ted Hughes]

I'm assuming that the reason Adebayor isn't playing any part, is because we hope to move him out in this transfer window. It can't be because he's a bad influence, because he is still training with the 1st team every day. If we can't move Adebayor, then he should at least be on the bench for every single game for the rest of the season. If he comes on & sulks, then he trains with the reserves.

Yesterday, if we'd been able to take off Silva or Yaya & throw Adebayor in the centre with Dzeko & bomb balls into the box, with Tevez hunting for scraps, it would have probably been the straw that broke Villa's back. We may have even done a 'rags' & come away with a late win. Villa were creaking. Jo however, would have weakened us, so there was no point using him.

Bob is doing a great job on most things but his decision to discard Ade & Bellamy for Jo, is stubborn & ridiculous & may end up costing us several places in the table.

[LookMumImOnMCF.net]

He's staying 'til the summer apparently:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2011 ... ester-city

[Ted Hughes]

He's staying 'til the summer apparently:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2011 ... ester-city

I don't think that reporter knows anything.

The comments by Lukaku's agent seem to suggest that we'll go for him if Ade leaves but that nothing is certain at this time.

[s1ty m]

We can try to look at it positively but I think it is a fucking disgrace. What, like we could not have used him at all yesterday or in the cup games? Fucking ridiculous, imho.

The Bellamy fiasco was bad enough, but this is just crap.

[brite blu sky]

I'm 100% behind Mancini in relation to Adebayor. My own feeling is that it is not that Bob doesn't like Adebayor as a person, it is that he doesn't like him as a footballer.. and to hazard a guess i'd say it is probably because he doesn't do what is asked of him and therefore next to useless for a manager.

Aside from that arguement i dont see much in Adebayor's performances that would suggest he would have made any difference in that game, even to Ted's suggestion of throwing everything into the box.

[Beefymcfc]

It will be very interesting to see what happens if he is still here after the window closes. Bobby will have to make some tough decisions.

[LookMumImOnMCF.net]

It will be very interesting to see what happens if he is still here after the window closes. Bobby will have to make some tough decisions.

I think he's already made them. If Ade is here in February I don't think he'll be playing very often.

Obviously the manager's decision has to be final, but many of us would like to know what RM sees in Jo that he doesn't in Ade/ Bellers. I suspect most of this board wouldn't prefer Jo of the three. So either Mancini sees something we all don't see or else the issues are personal. And if it's the latter that could become a dangerous thing down the line.

[Beefymcfc]

It will be very interesting to see what happens if he is still here after the window closes. Bobby will have to make some tough decisions.

I think he's already made them. If Ade is here in February I don't think he'll be playing very often.

Obviously the manager's decision has to be final, but many of us would like to know what RM sees in Jo that he doesn't in Ade/ Bellers. I suspect most of this board wouldn't prefer Jo of the three. So either Mancini sees something we all don't see or else the issues are personal. And if it's the latter that could become a dangerous thing down the line.

Without going into too much detail, I'd suggest that this is nothing to do with footballing matters. Bobby fell out with Bellers but still played him, this one seems much deeper.

[Ted Hughes]

It will be very interesting to see what happens if he is still here after the window closes. Bobby will have to make some tough decisions.

I think he's already made them. If Ade is here in February I don't think he'll be playing very often.

Obviously the manager's decision has to be final, but many of us would like to know what RM sees in Jo that he doesn't in Ade/ Bellers. I suspect most of this board wouldn't prefer Jo of the three. So either Mancini sees something we all don't see or else the issues are personal. And if it's the latter that could become a dangerous thing down the line.

Without going into too much detail, I'd suggest that this is nothing to do with footballing matters. Bobby fell out with Bellers but still played him, this one seems much deeper.

If it's such a deep problem then he shouldn't be training with the team. If he can train alongside them, he can play alongside them.

[Beefymcfc]

It will be very interesting to see what happens if he is still here after the window closes. Bobby will have to make some tough decisions.

I think he's already made them. If Ade is here in February I don't think he'll be playing very often.

Obviously the manager's decision has to be final, but many of us would like to know what RM sees in Jo that he doesn't in Ade/ Bellers. I suspect most of this board wouldn't prefer Jo of the three. So either Mancini sees something we all don't see or else the issues are personal. And if it's the latter that could become a dangerous thing down the line.

Without going into too much detail, I'd suggest that this is nothing to do with footballing matters. Bobby fell out with Bellers but still played him, this one seems much deeper.

If it's such a deep problem then he shouldn't be training with the team. If he can train alongside them, he can play alongside them.

If you had a £20 mil asset would you want to stick him with the EDS or keep him ticking over with the 1st squad?

All's that can be said is that he is training with the squad but he's not even making the bench. He's also said he wants to stay and fight for his spot. That should tell us all we need to know.

[brite blu sky]

It will be very interesting to see what happens if he is still here after the window closes. Bobby will have to make some tough decisions.

I think he's already made them. If Ade is here in February I don't think he'll be playing very often.

Obviously the manager's decision has to be final, but many of us would like to know what RM sees in Jo that he doesn't in Ade/ Bellers. I suspect most of this board wouldn't prefer Jo of the three. So either Mancini sees something we all don't see or else the issues are personal. And if it's the latter that could become a dangerous thing down the line.

I dont take that conclusion at all. As mentioned he played Bellemy despite differences. I'm not saying I'm right as nobody knows, but i dont read that Mancini is vindictive to spite his own face, more the opposite in fact, that he is quiet balanced and pragmatic. He clearly knows what he wants and it is his call. Take AJ as an example, Bob criticised AJ publicly.. he didn't get as many games and had a minor tantrum, Bob was seen dealing with AJ specifically in training around this time, AJ gets his head down and eventually gets back in the team and is playing better, making better decisions and presumably doing what Bob is asking of him.

My take is that Adebayor could be in the same position with Mancini.. and if he showed willingness to listen and try and do what Bob wants him to do he would get back into the fold. My take is that Mancini has not written him off, he is just battling with Adebayor to try and force him to come round. There are basics involved that have to be shown by Ade before things can move on, without that he wont get a look in, but as Ade obviously has talent then the door stay open.
Why i think this is because that is how Mancini appears to have dealt with various players so far, including Micah.
I also think it not correct to interpret it as a clash or battle of egos, it is more complex than that. Mancini has a responsibility to get the best out of all of his resources above and beyond his own ego. He is playing a waiting game with Adebayor and the ball is in Ade's court imo. I would not be surprised if he left, equally i would not be surprised if he stayed and eventually got himself back in contention.

[Ted Hughes]

It will be very interesting to see what happens if he is still here after the window closes. Bobby will have to make some tough decisions.

I think he's already made them. If Ade is here in February I don't think he'll be playing very often.

Obviously the manager's decision has to be final, but many of us would like to know what RM sees in Jo that he doesn't in Ade/ Bellers. I suspect most of this board wouldn't prefer Jo of the three. So either Mancini sees something we all don't see or else the issues are personal. And if it's the latter that could become a dangerous thing down the line.

Without going into too much detail, I'd suggest that this is nothing to do with footballing matters. Bobby fell out with Bellers but still played him, this one seems much deeper.

If it's such a deep problem then he shouldn't be training with the team. If he can train alongside them, he can play alongside them.

If you had a £20 mil asset would you want to stick him with the EDS or keep him ticking over with the 1st squad?

All's that can be said is that he is training with the squad but he's not even making the bench. He's also said he wants to stay and fight for his spot. That should tell us all we need to know.

It could be that Bob wants to bring in the Belgian lad & can't so long as Ade is at the club. Khaldoon may even have told him we need to trim the squad first. Perhaps once the transfer window is closed, if Ade hasn't left, Bob will start using him again?

[Beefymcfc]

It could be that Bob wants to bring in the Belgian lad & can't so long as Ade is at the club. Khaldoon may even have told him we need to trim the squad first. Perhaps once the transfer window is closed, if Ade hasn't left, Bob will start using him again?

That's why I say that Bobby will have some tough decisions to make, feels like a Mexican Standoff at the moment. As they say though, I'm sure 'it'll all out in the wash'.

[Goataldo]

It could be that Bob wants to bring in the Belgian lad & can't so long as Ade is at the club. Khaldoon may even have told him we need to trim the squad first. Perhaps once the transfer window is closed, if Ade hasn't left, Bob will start using him again?

That's why I say that Bobby will have some tough decisions to make, feels like a Mexican Standoff at the moment. As they say though, I'm sure 'it'll all out in the wash'.

If he is staying til summer it's a crime not to use him. Part of the problem watching Jo, is the knowledge that we have a fit Adebayor waiting in the wings. I'm not Ade's biggest fan, but FFS...