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Just had a thought. Schole's challenge last weekend for which he got sent off for didn't recieve enough criticism in the press well certainly not compared to what De Jong got earlier in the season. It was high, late and absolutely reckless, in my opinion malicous, 6 inches lower and it could of snapped Zabs leg in half.

The fact is Scholes didn't even appeal to the ref, he knew exactly what he'd done.

How is that any different to the Dejong challenge on Ben Arfa? For which the media treated Dejong as a war criminal for?
Scholes's was every bit as bad yet he gets off lightly in the press.

Bridge'srightfoot wrote:Just had a thought. Schole's challenge last weekend for which he got sent off for didn't recieve enough criticism in the press well certainly not compared to what De Jong got earlier in the season. It was high, late and absolutely reckless, in my opinion malicous, 6 inches lower and it could of snapped Zabs leg in half.

The fact is Scholes didn't even appeal to the ref, he knew exactly what he'd done.

How is that any different to the Dejong challenge on Ben Arfa? For which the media treated Dejong as a war criminal for?
Scholes's was every bit as bad yet he gets off lightly in the press.

Here's how it's different...de Jong won the ball in his tackle on Ben Arfa and took him out with his trailing leg. He was then assassinated in the press based on his previous in the World Cup final and on Stuart Holden. Scholes simply went in with his foot up intending to let Zab know that he had been in a challenge, and sliced his thigh up.

The other obvious difference being that de Jong is ruining football, whereas Scholes deserves success at the media's favourite club.

he is a scumbag, should of retired 2 seasons ago.

The gash on zabs leg was baaaad.

Scholes got an absolute pasting from Patrick Barclay in last Monday's Times. The article was titled 'Great career shrouded in red mist' if you can be arsed to look it up. This was my favourite paragraph:

For too long, one of the most irksome sounds in football has been the television analyst's chuckle as Scholes, having scythed someone down, is chided for [his] deficient tackling technique. No one makes that many mistakes, least of all the fading maestro who studded Pablo Zabaleta at Wembley and was shown a straight red card by Mike Dean.

Quite right too.

Alioune DVToure wrote:Scholes got an absolute pasting from Patrick Barclay in last Monday's Times. The article was titled 'Great career shrouded in red mist' if you can be arsed to look it up. This was my favourite paragraph:

For too long, one of the most irksome sounds in football has been the television analyst's chuckle as Scholes, having scythed someone down, is chided for [his] deficient tackling technique. No one makes that many mistakes, least of all the fading maestro who studded Pablo Zabaleta at Wembley and was shown a straight red card by Mike Dean.

Quite right too.

He's not dirty though, just mistimes his tackles

roblues wrote:

Alioune DVToure wrote:Scholes got an absolute pasting from Patrick Barclay in last Monday's Times. The article was titled 'Great career shrouded in red mist' if you can be arsed to look it up. This was my favourite paragraph:

For too long, one of the most irksome sounds in football has been the television analyst's chuckle as Scholes, having scythed someone down, is chided for [his] deficient tackling technique. No one makes that many mistakes, least of all the fading maestro who studded Pablo Zabaleta at Wembley and was shown a straight red card by Mike Dean.

Quite right too.

He's not dirty though, just mistimes his tackles

Barclay, to his credit, also had a pop at Scholes's off-the-bench filth cameo against Arsenal a couple of weeks ago. He also highlighted that Scholes will probably go down in history as the only player ever to be sent off at the old and new Wembleys, for petulant and dangerous challenges on both occasions.

Alioune DVToure wrote:

roblues wrote:

Alioune DVToure wrote:Scholes got an absolute pasting from Patrick Barclay in last Monday's Times. The article was titled 'Great career shrouded in red mist' if you can be arsed to look it up. This was my favourite paragraph:

For too long, one of the most irksome sounds in football has been the television analyst's chuckle as Scholes, having scythed someone down, is chided for [his] deficient tackling technique. No one makes that many mistakes, least of all the fading maestro who studded Pablo Zabaleta at Wembley and was shown a straight red card by Mike Dean.

Quite right too.

He's not dirty though, just mistimes his tackles

Barclay, to his credit, also had a pop at Scholes's off-the-bench filth cameo against Arsenal a couple of weeks ago. He also highlighted that Scholes will probably go down in history as the only player ever to be sent off at the old and new Wembleys, for petulant and dangerous challenges on both occasions.

It's nice to see some sections of the media actually doing justice to his character. They seemed desperate for him to have a Player of the Year season after a couple of decent long passes early on.

im a huge De Jong fan and think hes our most important player but there was a definite witchhunt around after the world cup. The press were out to get him because he got away with the Alonso tackle. This was why there was such uproar over the tackle on Ben Arfa. The difference between the press reaction to that and to the Scholes tackle was because the press had a vendetta against Nige because he got away with the Alonso tackle. Also as Scholes was given a straight red with no complaints there wasnt much the press could rant about.
However i did read some journos saying things along the lines of this showing Scholes is finished. Which i agree with, i think it signalled that he is past it.
Personally i thought the tackle was terrible and despite people saying there was no malice i definitely thought there was. He can be a real scumbag at times Scholes and it was typical of him. This red card has been coming his way for a long time

The obvious difference being de Jong didn't even get a yellow and Scholes got a red.

The press, the holders of the chalice of morality saw this as an affront to their reality and took the charge upon themselves to see the unpunished wilt under the hew of their mighty quill.

That last sentence was a wonderful piece of poetry Slim...Permission to use it please.

john68 wrote:That last sentence was a wonderful piece of poetry Slim...Permission to use it please.

You mean everything I write isn't?

Knock yourself out mate, not sure where you'll get to use it except here, but all yours.

What also seems to have been forgotten was the first dodgy challenge on Nige where, for me, he had no intention of getting the ball and the only reason nothing was said was because Nige dived straight back up and carried on regardless.

The difference is, as I kept hearing on every radio show last Sunday, that scholes has been an all time great and it would be a shame if he was remembered for that tackle. Some muppet even claimed it was his blurred vision which meant he couldn't see Zab clearly!

Bridge'srightfoot wrote:Just had a thought. Schole's challenge last weekend for which he got sent off for didn't recieve enough criticism in the press well certainly not compared to what De Jong got earlier in the season. It was high, late and absolutely reckless, in my opinion malicous, 6 inches lower and it could of snapped Zabs leg in half.

The fact is Scholes didn't even appeal to the ref, he knew exactly what he'd done.

How is that any different to the Dejong challenge on Ben Arfa? For which the media treated Dejong as a war criminal for?
Scholes's was every bit as bad yet he gets off lightly in the press.

I think you have a point.
But I think the bigger story was us BEATING THE RAG FUCKERS and the ginger twats tackle being lost in there.
Neither tackle was very good and the difference as you say is minimal however it seems a bit of an excuse some people use that Nigel got the ball.That may well be the case but I think he knew was gonna get both the man and the ball.I think he had every intention of letting Arfa know that he was on the pitch but the result was somrwhat OTT.

Rag_hater wrote:

Bridge'srightfoot wrote:Just had a thought. Schole's challenge last weekend for which he got sent off for didn't recieve enough criticism in the press well certainly not compared to what De Jong got earlier in the season. It was high, late and absolutely reckless, in my opinion malicous, 6 inches lower and it could of snapped Zabs leg in half.

The fact is Scholes didn't even appeal to the ref, he knew exactly what he'd done.

How is that any different to the Dejong challenge on Ben Arfa? For which the media treated Dejong as a war criminal for?
Scholes's was every bit as bad yet he gets off lightly in the press.

I think you have a point.
But I think the bigger story was us BEATING THE RAG FUCKERS and the ginger twats tackle being lost in there.
Neither tackle was very good and the difference as you say is minimal however it seems a bit of an excuse some people use that Nigel got the ball.That may well be the case but I think he knew was gonna get both the man and the ball.I think he had every intention of letting Arfa know that he was on the pitch but the result was somrwhat OTT.

Yeah no doubt Dejong goes in to hard and sometimes reckless.
But had Dejong made the challenge Scholes did on Saturday the media would be all over it, comparing him to Hitler and putting forward a case for his execution.

The press coverage of it was far more scathing on Scholes than I expected. I read the article Alioune refers to, the Times sports editor was also very critical as were many other journalists.

it didn't help that the Dutch also dropped Nigel as well around the Ben Arfa incident, which poured kerosene on the fire and made it an "international" incident.

Most Americans see Nigel as a dirty, despicable player due to his tackle on Holden, sadly. Again iirc it was his trailing leg, as in the Ben Arfa injury, in that incident but he didn't get the ball. i don't mind that Nigel's got a rep. He doesn't change his game because of it, and i don't really think he's earning cards on his rep alone tbh. It's easy to think it can or will happen, but i haven't seen strong evidence just yet.

Now, if he gets sent off in the next month for a dubious call then i reserve the right to say that i am completely full of shit, and have no idea what i'm talking about in a "Doomy was clueless" shocker. Hold onto your hats.

Comparing Scholes press reaction to NDJ's is kinda hard. i thought the press really took it to Scholes to a degree. I heard some pundits even talking about how this kind of behavior really will taint Scholes legacy to some degree. All in all, the NDJ stuff was just more sensational, so it was harder for it not to be a bigger headline for a few minutes. Realistically, Scholes is 3x the cunt Nigel is. Nigel's worst efforts have at least been "effortful" imho and approaching football play at some level. Scholes history would suggest they are borne out of frustration.

cheers

The press didn't care so much about Scholes foul or the nature of it, it was the fact that the red card helped cost them the game.

If it had happened at 2-0 up (or down) with 5 minutes to go, it would have been ignored. He's been slated not for trying to go through Zabaleta, but for getting sent off for a stupid challenge.

DoomMerchant wrote:it didn't help that the Dutch also dropped Nigel as well around the Ben Arfa incident, which poured kerosene on the fire and made it an "international" incident.

Most Americans see Nigel as a dirty, despicable player due to his tackle on Holden, sadly. Again iirc it was his trailing leg, as in the Ben Arfa injury, in that incident but he didn't get the ball. i don't mind that Nigel's got a rep. He doesn't change his game because of it, and i don't really think he's earning cards on his rep alone tbh. It's easy to think it can or will happen, but i haven't seen strong evidence just yet.

Now, if he gets sent off in the next month for a dubious call then i reserve the right to say that i am completely full of shit, and have no idea what i'm talking about in a "Doomy was clueless" shocker. Hold onto your hats.

Comparing Scholes press reaction to NDJ's is kinda hard. i thought the press really took it to Scholes to a degree. I heard some pundits even talking about how this kind of behavior really will taint Scholes legacy to some degree. All in all, the NDJ stuff was just more sensational, so it was harder for it not to be a bigger headline for a few minutes. Realistically, Scholes is 3x the cunt Nigel is. Nigel's worst efforts have at least been "effortful" imho and approaching football play at some level. Scholes history would suggest they are borne out of frustration.

cheers

As an american, I think americans who think that de jong is dirty just because of the holden tackle don't know much about the game. I have many friends (mostly rags sadly) who, along with being american, didn't think there was much in the holden tackle. That's the kind of thing that happens in a game. There was no malice in it whatsoever. In my opinion, de jong got much more flack from americans for the wc final tackle on alonso, which was a bit brutal, but I also think lacking malice. You can say what you want about those tackles, and it's been unfortunate that de jong has been involved in so many injuries, but I don't think there is any malice in him in the slightest. It's his job to be physical and to put himself about, making many more tackle attempts than most players. As a result, he's more likely to be involved in bad ones. I have not seen him go into a tackle with the intent to injure, unlike scholes and other rag players.

It's part of the game ... the risk of injury is a part of any professional sport. People just love to be reactionaries, because there's no one who would dare contradict them in that situation. they can be as nasty as they want, it's a release for a lot of people.

Nige was being punished for his world cup foul, Ben Arfa was a convenient peg to hang their hat on. The fact that it was accidental and not even bookable didn't even come into the equation. I'm STILL annoyed on Nige's behalf about it. (Should have been red carded in the world cup final though).