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decision conveniently delayed until after the final round of championship games this weekend....

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/13301409.stm

what's the betting that they have all agreed that rangers will be deducted the number of points that will means they finish just ahead of cardiff or swansea?

Unless there was a real issue about sorting through the evidence in the case, the delay is absolutely outrageous.

Would not be surprised if the punishment was simply an exaggerated fine. Or, as you say, a token point deduction.

Better question than all the speculation is why the English FA cannot get around the fact that most other leagues not blessed with the Premiership's TV deals have long allowed third party ownership and co-ownership as means of financing the club. So long as their is no material fraud, I really do not see why it should be prohibited.

Prem have stated before they are accepted a resolution/decision has to have been reached.

A slap on the wrist at most.

spiv wrote:A slap on the wrist at most.

They should be battered mate...at lest 15 points.

No no no,,, i'm looking forward to getting down the bush next season for some pie mash and liquor and stewed eels. Love all that sort of stuff ;)

cdncityfan wrote:Unless there was a real issue about sorting through the evidence in the case, the delay is absolutely outrageous.

Would not be surprised if the punishment was simply an exaggerated fine. Or, as you say, a token point deduction.

Better question than all the speculation is why the English FA cannot get around the fact that most other leagues not blessed with the Premiership's TV deals have long allowed third party ownership and co-ownership as means of financing the club. So long as their is no material fraud, I really do not see why it should be prohibited.

Or they could apply a points deduction onto next season.

I've never really seen the positive benefits of 3rd party player ownership for clubs, especially in a league like the premiership. They don't really get anything out of the deal, it appears to be just a way for agents to enrich themselves further.

Am I the only one who thinks it would be harsh were QPR denied promotion, especially if Cardiff were to take their place?

Surely Cardiff's crimes are worse. They signed a few players on decent wages last summer whilst failing to pay a few hundred grand owed to Motherwell. Surely that's a worse way of gaining an unfair advantage, being at a another club's expense and all that.

it's simple... They hate Warnock and want to maximise his pain
In fact everyone hates Warnock
Except Jim

Alioune DVToure wrote:Am I the only one who thinks it would be harsh were QPR denied promotion, especially if Cardiff were to take their place?

Surely Cardiff's crimes are worse. They signed a few players on decent wages last summer whilst failing to pay a few hundred grand owed to Motherwell. Surely that's a worse way of gaining an unfair advantage, being at a another club's expense and all that.

From the facts I have read about the case it would be a bit of a farce if QPR were denied promotion full stop

read this...

Alejandro Faurlín should have no blame attached to him in the Football Association investigation that could lead to Queens Park Rangers' missing out on promotion to the Premier League. That is the message the Argentinian midfielder at the centre of the inquiry has received from his QPR team-mate Adel Taarabt.

"The first few days he was a little bit worried because he may have thought the lads would blame him, but we told him it is not your fault," Taarabt said of Faurlín ahead of the FA disciplinary hearing beginning on Tuesday into charges arising from his 2009 transfer to west London. "He has been brilliant all season and you can't deny that. He deserves to be in the Premier League as well. We have done the job on the pitch so we deserve to be where we are. Every game we play 11 against 11 and we win games on the pitch; we don't do anything else. We didn't cheat or do anything wrong. I don't know what is happening upstairs but the FA will make the decision and we will see."

It is common practice for South American players' registrations to belong to agents or investment companies rather than their clubs; however in this country such arrangements breach FA and Premier League rules. The Guardian reported in March that in the Faurlín case Instituto de Córdoba, his former club, received nothing from the transfer. The FA refused to comment about any element of the affair on Monday. However the case has led to seven charges being levelled against QPR and their chairman, Gianni Paladini, which will be considered by a three-man disciplinary commission led by an independent QC this week.

QPR and Paladini could not be contacted on Monday but have consistently denied wrongdoing. As well as three charges relating to the third-party contracts, QPR face more of bringing the game into disrepute and of using the services of an unauthorised agent. Paladini is personally accused of concealing or misrepresenting elements of the Faurlín transfer, leading to a supplementary disrepute charge for him.

QPR have previously let it be known that they considered Faurlín, now 24, to have been out of contract with Instituto at the time of his move and that he was therefore a free transfer. The agent named in the transfer documents is believed to be Peppino Tirri, who held a Fifa licence at the time of the transfer but had not registered with the FA, meaning he did not have its authorisation to conduct transfer business in England. Tirri, who could not be contacted on Monday through the email address or telephone numbers on Fifa's website, is now registered with the FA.

QPR should learn the commission's verdict on Friday and if they are found to be in breach of FA regulations they may be deducted points. The Championship leaders were nine points clear of the playoffs before Monday's fixtures and have one match still to play.

The Football League is believed to be considering the logistical implications for those playoffs and may defer the semi-finals to accommodate the legal process, which would surely include a QPR appeal in the event of a guilty verdict.

The existence of the third-party agreements only came to light when the club asked the Football League for permission to buy out the third-party interest in Faurlín's contract. At the time there was no Football League rule against third-party ownership – it is now aligning its rules with those of the Premier League – and QPR claim they were unaware that the FA's rules did make provision against it.

In the course of its inquiries the FA has been trying to uncover what was paid to whom. Paladini was quoted on Monday as saying: "We will fight all the way. Justice will be done. We have done everything in good faith."

Charges QPR face

1) Entering contracts with third-party organisations enabling them "materially to influence" the club's policies or its team's performance

2) Entering contracts assigning rights to or making payments to a third party in connection with a player transfer

3) Providing the FA with allegedly false information in later contract extension documents

4) Bringing the game into disrepute

5) Using the services of an unauthorised agent

Charges Gianni Paladini faces

1) Bringing the game into disrepute

2) Concealing or misrepresenting the reality and/or substance of matters relating to a transaction or contract negotiation

ant london wrote:

Alioune DVToure wrote:Am I the only one who thinks it would be harsh were QPR denied promotion, especially if Cardiff were to take their place?

Surely Cardiff's crimes are worse. They signed a few players on decent wages last summer whilst failing to pay a few hundred grand owed to Motherwell. Surely that's a worse way of gaining an unfair advantage, being at a another club's expense and all that.

From the facts I have read about the case it would be a bit of a farce if QPR were denied promotion full stop

read this...

Alejandro Faurlín should have no blame attached to him in the Football Association investigation that could lead to Queens Park Rangers' missing out on promotion to the Premier League. That is the message the Argentinian midfielder at the centre of the inquiry has received from his QPR team-mate Adel Taarabt.

"The first few days he was a little bit worried because he may have thought the lads would blame him, but we told him it is not your fault," Taarabt said of Faurlín ahead of the FA disciplinary hearing beginning on Tuesday into charges arising from his 2009 transfer to west London. "He has been brilliant all season and you can't deny that. He deserves to be in the Premier League as well. We have done the job on the pitch so we deserve to be where we are. Every game we play 11 against 11 and we win games on the pitch; we don't do anything else. We didn't cheat or do anything wrong. I don't know what is happening upstairs but the FA will make the decision and we will see."

It is common practice for South American players' registrations to belong to agents or investment companies rather than their clubs; however in this country such arrangements breach FA and Premier League rules. The Guardian reported in March that in the Faurlín case Instituto de Córdoba, his former club, received nothing from the transfer. The FA refused to comment about any element of the affair on Monday. However the case has led to seven charges being levelled against QPR and their chairman, Gianni Paladini, which will be considered by a three-man disciplinary commission led by an independent QC this week.

QPR and Paladini could not be contacted on Monday but have consistently denied wrongdoing. As well as three charges relating to the third-party contracts, QPR face more of bringing the game into disrepute and of using the services of an unauthorised agent. Paladini is personally accused of concealing or misrepresenting elements of the Faurlín transfer, leading to a supplementary disrepute charge for him.

QPR have previously let it be known that they considered Faurlín, now 24, to have been out of contract with Instituto at the time of his move and that he was therefore a free transfer. The agent named in the transfer documents is believed to be Peppino Tirri, who held a Fifa licence at the time of the transfer but had not registered with the FA, meaning he did not have its authorisation to conduct transfer business in England. Tirri, who could not be contacted on Monday through the email address or telephone numbers on Fifa's website, is now registered with the FA.

QPR should learn the commission's verdict on Friday and if they are found to be in breach of FA regulations they may be deducted points. The Championship leaders were nine points clear of the playoffs before Monday's fixtures and have one match still to play.

The Football League is believed to be considering the logistical implications for those playoffs and may defer the semi-finals to accommodate the legal process, which would surely include a QPR appeal in the event of a guilty verdict.

The existence of the third-party agreements only came to light when the club asked the Football League for permission to buy out the third-party interest in Faurlín's contract. At the time there was no Football League rule against third-party ownership – it is now aligning its rules with those of the Premier League – and QPR claim they were unaware that the FA's rules did make provision against it.

In the course of its inquiries the FA has been trying to uncover what was paid to whom. Paladini was quoted on Monday as saying: "We will fight all the way. Justice will be done. We have done everything in good faith."

Charges QPR face

1) Entering contracts with third-party organisations enabling them "materially to influence" the club's policies or its team's performance

2) Entering contracts assigning rights to or making payments to a third party in connection with a player transfer

3) Providing the FA with allegedly false information in later contract extension documents

4) Bringing the game into disrepute

5) Using the services of an unauthorised agent

Charges Gianni Paladini faces

1) Bringing the game into disrepute

2) Concealing or misrepresenting the reality and/or substance of matters relating to a transaction or contract negotiation

Maybe the chairman naively thought he could get away with dealing with this snide agent, but they still paid full value for a player and didn't rip anyone off. Very harsh in my opinion.

Having read that ant - and having no knowledge of the rules that govern this, I have no idea what to think!

All i can say is that it doesn't appear that they were necessarily gaining an advantage over other teams - just trying to be expedient whilst bending the rules. If that's anywhere near correct, then IMHO a financial penalty is far more appropriate than a points deduction.

Either way, delaying the decision yet again is outrageous! I can only imagine that the disciplinary "panel" is having major disagreements as to the outcome...

Alioune DVToure wrote:Maybe the chairman naively thought he could get away with dealing with this snide agent, but they still paid full value for a player and didn't rip anyone off. Very harsh in my opinion.

Naive and chairman just don't go together in a footballing sense. He knew exactly what he was doing in my opinion.

Big fine and a telling off maybe a couple of points off but nothing to stop promotion.

apparantly like when we went up as champs under keegan they should pick up the trophy
tomorrow and all the medals after the match. theres no way they are gonna take it off them after that.

It's been confirmed that they won't face a points deduction-

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/13318784.stm

Neil Warnock gets the job done yet again. Wonder if they'll allow him to spend money? Be interesting to see what kind of team he'd come up with if he got that opportunity; whether it would be a bunch of expensive, hopeless, cloggers, or whether they'd be pretty good & he'd prove to be just as good as the overpaid foreign managers.

Ted Hughes wrote:Neil Warnock gets the job done yet again. Wonder if they'll allow him to spend money? Be interesting to see what kind of team he'd come up with if he got that opportunity; whether it would be a bunch of expensive, hopeless, cloggers, or whether they'd be pretty good & he'd prove to be just as good as the overpaid foreign managers.

Was reading a BBC article that said they've pretty much built the side around Taarabt this season and given him a free role. By all accounts they won't have the luxury of playing that way in the Prem. Should be interesting.

Pleased to hear there won't be a points deduction - it's the right decision.

Taarabt is a future great. No doubt in my mind.

Completely the right decision from the league/FA.

I'm pleased for them, by far and away the best performers in the Championship and it is laughable to say that their "offences" gained them any unfair advantage (a bit like Kolo and his diet pills if I'm honest) so I'm glad that sense has prevailed.

As to the sanctions to the chairman and any financial penalties, well those they will have to take on the chin.

Pleased for QPR and happy for Warnock. It'll be a great day out at Loftus Road too for everyone