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We would NOT be playing Bayern or any other European Giant in the qualification round. Teams are seeded according to UEFA coefficient and we, just like all the big clubs, are guaranteed to be seeded. We'll play one of the minnows still left in the competition.

If you ask me, that's fucking dodgy because they try to squeeze all the golden cows in the actual competition but will work for us if we can't guarantee.

Niall Quinns Discopants wrote:We would NOT be playing Bayern or any other European Giant in the qualification round. Teams are seeded according to UEFA coefficient and we, just like all the big clubs, are guaranteed to be seeded. We'll play one of the minnows still left in the competition.

If you ask me, that's fucking dodgy because they try to squeeze all the golden cows in the actual competition but will work for us if we can't guarantee.

I don't think we'll be seeded to that degree mate.
And the monnows you refer to could on par with the likes of Kiev etc

Niall Quinns Discopants wrote:We would NOT be playing Bayern or any other European Giant in the qualification round. Teams are seeded according to UEFA coefficient and we, just like all the big clubs, are guaranteed to be seeded. We'll play one of the minnows still left in the competition.

If you ask me, that's fucking dodgy because they try to squeeze all the golden cows in the actual competition but will work for us if we can't guarantee.

Thank fucl for that. I was dreading the uproar everytime somebody mentioned Bayern M*****.

Can someone explain in full the advantage of finishing 3rd rather than 4th?

Alioune DVToure wrote:Can someone explain in full the advantage of finishing 3rd rather than 4th?

It would upset SkySports even more.

Alioune DVToure wrote:Can someone explain in full the advantage of finishing 3rd rather than 4th?

Automatically through to champs league proper. No qualifier needed.

Original Dub wrote:

Alioune DVToure wrote:Can someone explain in full the advantage of finishing 3rd rather than 4th?

Automatically through to champs league proper. No qualifier needed.

Straight into a group? What seeding pot would we be likely to go into then? I'd imagine the 2nd or 3rd (coefficient=good, CL pedigree=nonexistant).

If that's true then it's great news for me because the media I've heard, seen & read have all specifically said we won't be seeded and could meet any of those top clubs (in the qualifying game).

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1    Manchester United    Eng    32.5750    28.0000    28.5856    36.6714       125.832
2    FC Barcelona    Esp    27.7750    28.6624    30.5856    34.5856       121.608
3    Chelsea    Eng    28.5750    25.0000    22.5856    26.6714       102.832
4    Bayern München    Ger    22.7000    22.5374    30.6166    24.1332       99.987
5    Arsenal    Eng    21.5750    22.0000    25.5856    22.6714       91.832
6    Liverpool    Eng    24.5750    23.0000    24.5856    15.6714       87.832
7    Real Madrid    Esp    14.7750    14.6624    22.5856    33.5856       85.608
8    Internazionale    Ita    16.0500    13.2750    34.0856    21.3142       84.724
9    FC Porto    Por    15.5856    17.3570    21.0000    29.6800       83.622
10    Olympique Lyon    Fra    13.3856    15.2000    28.0000    19.1500       75.735
11    Shakhtar Donetsk    Ukr    7.9750    29.3250    11.1600    26.0166       74.476
12    Villarreal    Esp    15.7750    18.6624    10.5856    26.5856       71.608
13    Werder Bremen    Ger    15.7000    24.5374    18.6166    11.1332       69.987
14    Hamburger SV    Ger    18.7000    24.5374    21.6166    3.1332       67.987
15    AC Milan    Ita    16.0500    14.2750    19.0856    18.3142       67.724
16    Atlético Madrid    Esp    14.7750    17.6624    24.5856    9.5856       66.608
17    AS Roma    Ita    19.0500    16.2750    12.0856    18.3142       65.724
18    Olympique Marseille    Fra    13.3856    14.2000    17.0000    20.1500       64.735
19    Sevilla    Esp    18.7750    10.6624    22.5856    12.5856       64.608
   Valencia    Esp    9.7750    13.6624    19.5856    21.5856       64.608
21    Benfica    Por    12.5856    4.3570    21.0000    25.6800       63.622
22    CSKA Moscow    Rus    6.2500    18.9500    21.2332    16.1832       62.616
23    Fiorentina    Ita    23.0500    11.2750    24.0856    2.3142       60.724
24    Sporting CP Lisbon    Por    18.5856    13.3570    14.0000    13.6800       59.622
25    Zenit St. Petersburg    Rus    23.2500    14.9500    2.7332    18.1832       59.116
26    Schalke 04    Ger    15.7000    8.5374    3.6166    30.1332       57.987
27    PSV Eindhoven    Ned    17.0000    6.2666    13.8832    20.2332       57.383
28    Tottenham Hotspur    Eng    16.5750    12.0000    3.5856    24.6714       56.832
29    Girondins Bordeaux    Fra    13.3856    11.2000    30.0000    2.1500       56.735
30    Dinamo Kiev    Ukr    3.9750    22.3250    9.1600    19.0166       54.476
31    VfB Stuttgart    Ger    7.7000    10.5374    20.6166    13.1332       51.987
32    Sporting Braga    Por    8.5856    13.3570    3.0000    25.6800       50.622
33    Panathinaikos    Gre    13.5000    13.3000    13.5800    7.5200       47.900
34    Juventus    Ita    2.0500    16.2750    18.0856    8.3142       44.724
35    Olympiakos Piraeus    Gre    14.5000    9.3000    17.5800    2.5200       43.900
36    Manchester City    Eng    3.5750    20.0000    3.5856    16.6714       43.832

No way we are getting Bayern.

Niall Quinns Discopants wrote:We would NOT be playing Bayern or any other European Giant in the qualification round. Teams are seeded according to UEFA coefficient and we, just like all the big clubs, are guaranteed to be seeded. We'll play one of the minnows still left in the competition.

If you ask me, that's fucking dodgy because they try to squeeze all the golden cows in the actual competition but will work for us if we can't guarantee.

When I said in another thread that Stoke/Bolton rather than Bayern h/a was good motivation to win the next two and get third, I didn't really think much about the potential opposition and now that I think about it, you are right, we won't be playing anyone of that standard should we finish fourth. However, we have the prospect now of beating two teams whose seasons are over and who are within an hour or travel from us, rather than going to some far flung location to play the champions or runners up of a minor league in a tricky tie.

our coeffient is 47.157, we are not guaranteed to be seeded. 5 teams with the highest coeffient are seeded.

some other teams who will make the play offs

Bayern 118.887
Villareal 75.408
Lyon 92.735 or PSG 51.735
Udinese 27.110 or Lazio 23.110

some others who could if they make and/or survive the 4th round

Benfica 81.239
Dinamo Kiev 60.776
Fenerbahçe 50.510
Twente 41.025

it depends which teams out of those last few make the play offs, but could well end up being benfica, dynamo, lyon, villareal and bayern who are seeded and therefore potential opponents.

arsenal btw have a coefficient of 108.157 and would definitely be seeded.

We have a two legged tie with Stoke/Bolton to qualify direct for the Champions League, thats the nub of it.

You know what?
We can avoid having to play anyone in the qualifiers if we finish 3rd.

Original Dub wrote:

Niall Quinns Discopants wrote:We would NOT be playing Bayern or any other European Giant in the qualification round. Teams are seeded according to UEFA coefficient and we, just like all the big clubs, are guaranteed to be seeded. We'll play one of the minnows still left in the competition.

If you ask me, that's fucking dodgy because they try to squeeze all the golden cows in the actual competition but will work for us if we can't guarantee.

I don't think we'll be seeded to that degree mate.
And the monnows you refer to could on par with the likes of Kiev etc

Well they make the pairs so that all the seeded teams are there first and then they draw all the oppositions. So either you are seeded or you are not.

You are right about "minnows" though. There are some tougher teams there as well but no one who we shouldn't be able to deal with if we are honestly going to challenge in the competition.

mate, i'm not saying we are hopeless if it should come to it, but i'd rather try to avoid playing against cl quarter final regulars like lyon or bayern if possible.

and as i see it, better collect 6 points from stoke and bolton than to hope for a favourable draw.

Seeding, according to the neutral viewer has long been considered unfair. To most people using seeds in tournaments, it is seen as a logical thing to do. It allows equal spreading of all the teams and it avoids all the small clubs and big clubs being cluttered together.

Niall Quinns Discopants wrote:

Original Dub wrote:

Niall Quinns Discopants wrote:We would NOT be playing Bayern or any other European Giant in the qualification round. Teams are seeded according to UEFA coefficient and we, just like all the big clubs, are guaranteed to be seeded. We'll play one of the minnows still left in the competition.

If you ask me, that's fucking dodgy because they try to squeeze all the golden cows in the actual competition but will work for us if we can't guarantee.

I don't think we'll be seeded to that degree mate.
And the monnows you refer to could on par with the likes of Kiev etc

Well they make the pairs so that all the seeded teams are there first and then they draw all the oppositions. So either you are seeded or you are not.

You are right about "minnows" though. There are some tougher teams there as well but no one who we shouldn't be able to deal with if we are honestly going to challenge in the competition.

Utd have lost loads of Champions Lg games against 'minnows' in the group stages. That's what the groups were designed for; as a safety net for when the big sides fuck up, as they often do. We have a very decent chance of being knocked out in that qualifying leg, even if we can't play Bayern.

I bet we can still get the Italian 4th placed team & we couldn't beat Juve this season. It's a vital two games we have coming. If Arsenal finish 4th, I recon there's a fair chance they'll fuck up too.

bluenoon wrote:our coeffient is 47.157, we are not guaranteed to be seeded. 5 teams with the highest coeffient are seeded.

some other teams who will make the play offs

Bayern 118.887
Villareal 75.408
Lyon 92.735 or PSG 51.735
Udinese 27.110 or Lazio 23.110

some others who could if they make and/or survive the 4th round

Benfica 81.239
Dinamo Kiev 60.776
Fenerbahçe 50.510
Twente 41.025

it depends which teams out of those last few make the play offs, but could well end up being benfica, dynamo, lyon, villareal and bayern who are seeded and therefore potential opponents.

arsenal btw have a coefficient of 108.157 and would definitely be seeded.

This tells me the chance of not being seeded is bigger than being seeded. Better get that third spot!

Three teams allready higher than us are in the group (Bayern, french team and Villareal), out of the teams playing the first qualifying round atleast three teams have better ranking than us, these teams will also be seeded in the first round so chances are they will go through. Doubt two out of those three will fail to make it into the second qualifying round where we enter the frame.

As far as I know Bayern are likely to finish third in the Bundesliga which will mean they have to prequalify. Their co-efficient will then mean they are seeded way above us and we can therefore play them.

This was pretty much confirmed on Sky a coupla days back.

Kladze wrote:As far as I know Bayern are likely to finish third in the Bundesliga which will mean they have to prequalify. Their co-efficient will then mean they are seeded way above us and we can therefore play them.

This was pretty much confirmed on Sky a coupla days back.

As far as I read Bayern cannot get direct CL spot and will end up on the german equivalent of the english 4th spot. So they will be in the qualifyer for sure.