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Dameerto wrote:It's nothing to do with being bitter - it's KNOWING they're as bent as fucl and feeling powerless to do anything about it - it's why the English FA declared they would abstain from voting.

Patrick wrote:I feel sorry for FIFA, the press have a real hatred for them and keep making scurrilous accusations. Last wek the BBC did a dreadful documentary accusing all and sundry of bribery and corruption, this week both candidates for presidency and the whiter than white Mr Warner has have been accused of offering cash incentives, it's fucling ridiculous.

These ambassadors at the top of footballs governing body work tirelessly, sometimes for hours at a time to make football more better. Bringing countries like Qatar into the fold With it's massive population of nearly a million and a half people is a stroke of genius. Qatar have too much money and quite like a bit of a kick about after drilling for oil, by taking some of their money, FIFA officials can now fly to more places and spread the word to other nations who should host the world cup, like Andorra or Greenland.

And don't even raise the nonsense about goal line gadgetry, when sep blather was young, football was a gentlemans game where honesty and integrity were the technology that mattered. Also the stuff available today is not supplied by any companies owned or represented by a FIFA member so it can't be trusted. They have also allegedly refused point blank to help with the associated costs of getting the FIFA boys together to make a decision, and Lear jets don't run on chip fat you know.

I think we should take a long hard look at what these guys bring to football and show them a little more respect, they know what
they're doing and they know what's best, and the best costs money

If carlsberg did piss takes then this would be it. A fine piece of investigative journalism. PMHL well done Patrick. The berlusconi bit is priceless

Next week I will be doing an article on how the Italian prime minister is trying reenergise politics by touching the younger generation

Dameerto wrote:Sometimes you're very American, not often, just sometimes.

ant london wrote:I actually think you're pretty spot on there Mike, I just don't think lots of people really understand how "business" works in terms of winning projects/building & maintaining relationships.

No disrespect to you Dameerto mate, I've no idea what you do for a living but what DM posted above, well I'm not American, and I understand and agree with everything he said.

Yes FIFA is bent as fuck but most business deals are often done on what is not a very level playing field. I know that often we are involved in pitching for business and we know that, even if we come in with something amazing that beats another proposal hands down on virtually every front, we will get stiffed as there is some kind of history/relationship between the client and our competitors (ex-colleagues, friends, whatever). It's not "fair" but it's understandable, and it goes on in every type of business for these or other reasons EVERYWHERE in the world. Sometimes it's more overtly corrupt oftentimes not.

To quote from JFK, if you don't know who the patsy is in these things, you're usually the patsy

DoomMerchant wrote:

Dameerto wrote:It's nothing to do with being bitter - it's KNOWING they're as bent as fucl and feeling powerless to do anything about it - it's why the English FA declared they would abstain from voting.

i dunno...a lot of people on this board have to sell or service customers for a living. When you lose, you lose and sometimes you'll never be able to win, but i honestly really don't think we fought as hard as we could to win these bids. i think we were arrogant in thinking that -- either in the case of the US and England respectively -- our market size and commercial appeal as well as the footballing history should be enough to help seal the deal given all the other componentry we put into place regarding stadia, financial appeal, etc.

The reality is we got outsold by up and comers who i'm sure took a no holds barred, steel cage match to the death approach and left no stone unturned and no enveloped unstuffed. Was it just a matter of the size of the wedge? i doubt it. in my business, like in yours i'm sure, you win sometimes when you are more expensive or when you have had issues that makes clients upset. You find ways to ensure that you build the relationships to win the deal. Clearly, we didn't do that.

I'm sure some fucktard voting needed to get their kid into Harvard or Cambridge in 10 years, or some housewife needed to start an international business focused on import/export of alpaca wool or green technology, etc, etc, etc...get creative and win some shit. We didn't. End of.

cheers