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To use all your substitutions then be forced to end the game with 10 men seems to smack of panic and a lack of ideas to me.

I doubt that Twitcher will have seen any of his teams humiliated the way his Spurs side were today and he seemed to panic and make his replacements without much thought or reason and all within a 20 minute spell.

I think the baggy eyed one shat himself!

probably he did wouldnt you, hes overrated manager in my book,
look at all his backroom staff, ferdinand clive allen joe jordan kevin bond jason wilcox ,
all of them on the bench, how many do you need.
i think he relies on them more than people think, he looked clueless today.

I think Spurs are in as much sh*t as Arsenal to be honest - they flattered to deceive in that Champs league run and they have declined badly since then....

He's a cunt of the highest order, he had fuck all today. He was whinging like a bitch about his pre season and the press talk about Modric, piss poor excuse. Especially from the man that spends more time sticking his fucking ugly nose in to other club's players and business more than any other cunt. I fucking love seeing him lose, almost as much as baconface. Hate 'Arry, Hate Spurs.

He was still wringing his hands at the thought that we were paying Ade 200 million for playing for them that he forgot his team could do something other than attack.

meh, they were 4-0 down before they used their 3rd sub. Why take a risk on Modric making him play 90 minutes. I thought van der Vaart did the right thing not flogging himself for a lost cause.

Spurs can regroup, they'll have Adebayor coming in and their main rivals for 4th place had a much worse day at the office.

ronk wrote:meh, they were 4-0 down before they used their 3rd sub. Why take a risk on Modric making him play 90 minutes. I thought van der Vaart did the right thing not flogging himself for a lost cause.

Spurs can regroup, they'll have Adebayor coming in and their main rivals for 4th place had a much worse day at the office.

But that's where it all goes wrong for them, believing they are aiming for 4th spot. Imagine Modric, knowing he's got a chance to play for Chelsea in the CL and a realisic shot of the title with all the new additions, not to mention the payrise? Or the thought of playing in the Europa aiming for a CL spot on half the wages.

Then when you think that Redknapp leaves their best offensive player on the bench in favour of the long-ball to Lurch then you've got a recipe for disaster. Modric shouldn't have been anywhere near the squad, never mind the pitch yet Ole 'Arry somehow believes he is the new miracle worker who can shut-up Modric's desires.

A dodgy club with an even dodgier manager in my opinion and even though I like Redknapp for shits and giggles on TV, he hasn't got a clue when it comes to Tottenham and their players.

Beefymcfc wrote:Imagine Modric, knowing he's got a chance to play for Chelsea in the CL and a realisic shot of the title with all the new additions, not to mention the payrise? Or the thought of playing in the Europa aiming for a CL spot on half the wages.

Then when you think that Redknapp leaves their best offensive player on the bench in favour of the long-ball to Lurch then you've got a recipe for disaster. Modric shouldn't have been anywhere near the squad, never mind the pitch yet Ole 'Arry somehow believes he is the new miracle worker who can shut-up Modric's desires.

Modric didnt even want to be on the pitch today apparently,

Tottenham manager Harry Redknapp claims Luka Modric asked to be left out of Sunday's thrashing against Manchester City.

The Croatian has been a summer-long target of Chelsea, but Spurs have maintained a stance he is not for sale.

Modric is understood to want to move to Stamford Bridge and as a result begged not to be included in the 5-1 lost to Roberto Mancini's City in a bid to force a deal.

But Redknapp ignored the pleas and started the playmaker before substituting him after 65 minutes as Spurs were hammered at White Hart Lane.

The Tottenham boss is quoted as saying in The Sun: "Luka came to me at 11.30am and said to me, 'I don't feel my head is right today'.

"I said, 'I feel you need to play today, Luka. I need you to play. You need to come and play'.

"I told him we had injuries and I said, 'I need you to come and play. We need you on the pitch, get out and play'. I told him he was our main man."

Redknapp added: "I'm sure he is getting advised to maybe not play today. We have seen it with other clubs.

"He was OK yesterday morning to play and obviously something happened last night. Who knows what went on.

"Some of the papers today were saying that Chelsea are ready to make a £40million offer.

"While he still sees a chink of light to go to Chelsea, he is probably doing what maybe people are telling him the best way of getting out of here is."
http://www.skysports.com/story/0,,11675_7136098,00.html

Beefymcfc wrote:

ronk wrote:meh, they were 4-0 down before they used their 3rd sub. Why take a risk on Modric making him play 90 minutes. I thought van der Vaart did the right thing not flogging himself for a lost cause.

Spurs can regroup, they'll have Adebayor coming in and their main rivals for 4th place had a much worse day at the office.

But that's where it all goes wrong for them, believing they are aiming for 4th spot. Imagine Modric, knowing he's got a chance to play for Chelsea in the CL and a realisic shot of the title with all the new additions, not to mention the payrise? Or the thought of playing in the Europa aiming for a CL spot on half the wages.

Then when you think that Redknapp leaves their best offensive player on the bench in favour of the long-ball to Lurch then you've got a recipe for disaster. Modric shouldn't have been anywhere near the squad, never mind the pitch yet Ole 'Arry somehow believes he is the new miracle worker who can shut-up Modric's desires.

A dodgy club with an even dodgier manager in my opinion and even though I like Redknapp for shits and giggles on TV, he hasn't got a clue when it comes to Tottenham and their players.

Spurs were dominated somewhat but they still drew a couple of fine saves from Joe and had a few promising wide shots. On a different day they might have done better, but they came up against a team flying high and it was never going to happen today.

Spurs don't have a lot of choice, they can't safely spend their way to the next rung of the ladder (because they know the level will just change). Their most prudent course of action is to adept a financially sound strategy and be ready to pounce if an opportunity arises.

I have always hated Harry.He has left numerous clubs in his wake completely in financial turmoil and left to rot.
The fact that he has done this seems to have been totally excused by an overwhelming majority and somehow he has prevailed and become the media darling of english football.The brown nosing he recieved for the Champions league performances against inter last season turned my stomach.

He has an awful habit of mentioning City in the presence of the media he always seems to have something to say about us.
Glad we rubbed his twitching nose in it on his home turf, triific.

Green & Blue wrote:I have always hated Harry.He has left numerous clubs in his wake completely in financial turmoil and left to rot.
The fact that he has done this seems to have been totally excused by an overwhelming majority and somehow he has prevailed and become the media darling of english football.The brown nosing he recieved for the Champions league performances against inter last season turned my stomach.

He has an awful habit of mentioning City in the presence of the media he always seems to have something to say about us.
Glad we rubbed his twitching nose in it on his home turf, triific.

Yours and Ronks views probably echo the situation that Spurs are in. One wants to cut back on finances but the other wants to spend big knowing it's the only way he can make it.

At loggerheads is not the way to go.

Beefymcfc wrote:

Green & Blue wrote:I have always hated Harry.He has left numerous clubs in his wake completely in financial turmoil and left to rot.
The fact that he has done this seems to have been totally excused by an overwhelming majority and somehow he has prevailed and become the media darling of english football.The brown nosing he recieved for the Champions league performances against inter last season turned my stomach.

He has an awful habit of mentioning City in the presence of the media he always seems to have something to say about us.
Glad we rubbed his twitching nose in it on his home turf, triific.

Yours and Ronks views probably echo the situation that Spurs are in. One wants to cut back on finances but the other wants to spend big knowing it's the only way he can make it.

At loggerheads is not the way to go.

I wouldn't think there's too much trouble and strife. Spurs are on a sounder footing and thinking longer term than a Portsmouth-esque fairytale. 'Arry will make a few noises but beyond that he'd just be pissing in his own tent. Happy appearances will be important for the fans and players. There are no outstanding jobs out there at the moment, so if he moves on, it won't be a better opportunity. The squad is strong enough that there's a real chance of sneaking into the top 4 if they can string together a good late season run (as they did before, but couldn't manage last year). The noises at that point coming from the Spurs have generally been one of trying to moderate expectations. This is exactly what 'Arry's PR campaign is about at the moment, setting a lower bar. Portsmouth betting the lot will make it easier to warn about the dangers.

ronk wrote:

Beefymcfc wrote:

Green & Blue wrote:I have always hated Harry.He has left numerous clubs in his wake completely in financial turmoil and left to rot.
The fact that he has done this seems to have been totally excused by an overwhelming majority and somehow he has prevailed and become the media darling of english football.The brown nosing he recieved for the Champions league performances against inter last season turned my stomach.

He has an awful habit of mentioning City in the presence of the media he always seems to have something to say about us.
Glad we rubbed his twitching nose in it on his home turf, triific.

Yours and Ronks views probably echo the situation that Spurs are in. One wants to cut back on finances but the other wants to spend big knowing it's the only way he can make it.

At loggerheads is not the way to go.

I wouldn't think there's too much trouble and strife. Spurs are on a sounder footing and thinking longer term than a Portsmouth-esque fairytale. 'Arry will make a few noises but beyond that he'd just be pissing in his own tent. Happy appearances will be important for the fans and players. There are no outstanding jobs out there at the moment, so if he moves on, it won't be a better opportunity. The squad is strong enough that there's a real chance of sneaking into the top 4 if they can string together a good late season run (as they did before, but couldn't manage last year). The noises at that point coming from the Spurs have generally been one of trying to moderate expectations. This is exactly what 'Arry's PR campaign is about at the moment, setting a lower bar. Portsmouth betting the lot will make it easier to warn about the dangers.

No disagreement from me mate.

Have to feel Harry as at other clubs has a unique way of being able to convince the club to stretch itself to it's financial limits.He is without a doubt doing this at Spurs he has a massive squad of players and a serious wage bill.
It's no surprise that this summer they have been limited to signing the ageing Friedel for an undisclosed fee and Adebayor on loan
and Falque on loan from Juventus.Spurs are stretched to the limits by him, a poor season could see a fire sale next summer to try and desperately balance the books.

Isn't he on a percentage of any sales from players due to his barrow-boy reputation as a wheeler dealer? Kind of puts his comments about Modric (and almost willing him to be sold) into context if so. He wants to get his greasy hands on another pile of money. I wouldn't be at all surprised if there's friction between him and Levy over Modric because of this.

ronk wrote:meh, they were 4-0 down before they used their 3rd sub. Why take a risk on Modric making him play 90 minutes. I thought van der Vaart did the right thing not flogging himself for a lost cause.

[highlight]Spurs can regroup, they'll have Adebayor coming in and their main rivals for 4th place had a much worse day at the office.[/highlight]

I somehow don't see any indication either Spurs or Arse are better than the bin dippers for 4th spot. I would buy rival for 5th place.

I'm going to say this now, I don't hate 'Arry half as much as most do here.

Harry has lot of great strengths in his management style. He is one of the best around working the market for example, always looking for that right deal for the club (and himself). He is also pretty good man manager. However, Redknapp has one major flaw in his management style, he just isn't very good with the tactics. I laughed when I once read interview with Antti Niemi (who was keeper for him in Southampton) who said that Harry basically gave them a formation of some sorts and personal instructions were like "you, try to cross whenever you can", "and you, you try and tackle their playmaker". There were no spesific set pieces routines but players got to decide what they'd do themselves. It was apparently very different to any manager in professional football and especially to Gordon Strachan who was there before him.

What's the matter with you lot? Dont you know 'Good Old Arry' is the best thing since sliced bread on the media? And there's absolutely no truth in this Monaco bank account business when he was at Portsmouth. :-)

City really showed up the lack of any discipline, game plan or set up to deal with our midfield. That is typical Twitchy. With Spurs he has reasonable players, some good, who are undermined by his incompetence or Keegan style delusions. He set up the team completely wrong and then claimed they defended badly, he left out Huddlestone and Livermore and then claimed he had no fit defensive mids.

imo he hasn't got a clue and just gets away with it with pacey attacking players. That papers over a lot of cracks and if managers and teams took note of both City's set up (and the rags tbh last week) with a midfield 5 that push right up and work at shutting off the supply to the wide players.. Spurs and Twitchy would be in trouble as he has no plan B and doesn't bother to get the defensive discipline of the team setup. In short it is gung-ho style and nothing more.. will win you a fair amount of games against teams that are already frightened or defensively inclined and so don't compete in the right areas of the pitch.

Someone said was Bale playing.. the only two times he got in the game was when a City probing attack broke down carelessly and he received a through pass, otherwise he got squit. Spurs only got some of the game when City took their foot off and sat back. Same in the CL game v Milan they got absolutely jack until Milan thought game over and sat back to defend, opened the gate to Spurs distribution and let them play.

Sounds over simplified dunnit.. but its not, that's how fuclin simple Spurs setup is.
So it isn't so much as run out of ideas, it is that there are no ideas to begin with.

Under Twitchy they will never beat City with Mancini again. (unless the whole squad has Flu)