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Postby Michigan Blue » Fri Oct 21, 2011 11:07 pm

http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/news/Ma ... 17645.html

Mark Hughes exclusive: Mancini is holding City back
Published 21:30 21/10/11 By Oliver Holt

When the revolution came at Manchester City, Mark Hughes knew it would be hard to survive.

He was part of the old regime, a relic of a past without oil money, but he did a fine job for Abu Dhabi all the same.

He watched as shoe salesmen in fancy suits showed him flip charts and unveiled graphs, pointing out lines he must not dip beneath.

He travelled to the Gulf and sat on sofas with Sheikh Mansour while racing stallions paraded in a circle around them.

The United superstar who crossed over to the sky blue side of Manchester guided the club towards a new world and then, when results dipped below the line on chief exec Garry Cook’s graph, he was gone.

“We went through a lot of pain,” Hughes said. “Other people have had the gain.”

“Other people” mainly means Roberto Mancini, the urbane Italian who took over from Hughes in December 2009 and led City into the Champions League at the end of last season.

Given the unfortunate ­circumstances in which Mancini took over – newspapers knew Hughes had been sacked before he did – it was never likely he was going to be a cheerleader for his successor.

And even though Hughes, who has been out of work since he quit Fulham in the summer, feels no rancour towards Mancini, he does believe the Italian’s management style has not got the best out of his players.

“I don’t know the guy personally,” said Hughes, “but looking at him from the outside, he comes across as autocratic. It’s either his way or the highway.

“I’m not sure he indulges players, tries to get to know or understand them. I’m not sure he’s that type of manager.

“Managing like that in the modern age with modern ­footballers is more difficult.

“To be an absolute autocrat and not be ­flexible in terms of how it’s going to be done and not ­understand your decisions can impact on players is difficult, because they do.

“If you manage like that, there are going to be clashes and the likelihood of having clashes with players is, on the law of averages, going to be more prevalent than managers who try to get the best out of players doing it the other way.

“What Roberto has in his favour is that he is at a top club and it means if he has a problem with a player he can take them out of the equation.

“He can stop using them; whereas at a lesser level, you cannot just write off players because you need them the next week. It’s a different style but at a lower level you can’t be so autocratic.

“If you look at the clubs he has been at – Inter Milan and City – he has had the means to do it. That style of management is what he knows and that’s how he manages because he hasn’t had to manage any other way.”

Mancini’s style, of course, has led him into high-profile conflicts with several players, most notably Craig Bellamy and Carlos Tevez.

Tevez faced a club disciplinary hearing yesterday over claims he refused to warm up during the Champions League tie against Bayern Munich.

Hughes, who managed Tevez when the Argentine first arrived at City, said the problems would not have arisen if he had still been in charge.

“Carlos is strong-willed, certainly,” he said. “Yes, he wants to play and for a guy who has come through life the hard way he still has a genuine desire to want to play every week.

“I never saw him as volatile. I can’t think of one incident where there were flashpoints, but I played a long time and I can handle things like that.

“You learn how to take the sting out of it. It would never have happened under my watch.”

Hughes still has a great deal of affection for City but he believes they still lack many of the ­qualities United possess.

“City have incredible depth and they can challenge United for the Premier League,” he said. “But in the Champions League, I don’t think they can get to where they want to be either this season or even next season.

“Because I think you have to build that knowledge. United improved year on year and you only develop like that from playing in the competition.

“Whether or not the group as a whole work as diligently and with the same mantra Manchester United have, I’d maybe suggest not.

“Every Manchester United player understands what United is about. The players understand it is a privilege to play for them. They show the club that ­deference. I’m not sure the group at City understand that yet.”
"Certainly our programme is a full one, but as a player and as a manager I've always felt that there is only one way to go into a season...and that's to try to win every game.... While we are in four major competitions we shall try to win four major competitions." - Joe Mercer
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Re: Leslie spouts off

Postby dazby » Fri Oct 21, 2011 11:10 pm

Stupid headline.
Attack the argument of the person, not the person of the argument- except Carl.
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Re: Leslie spouts off

Postby Michigan Blue » Fri Oct 21, 2011 11:25 pm

Where do we start?

"To be an absolute autocrat and not be ­flexible in terms of how it’s going to be done and not ­understand your decisions can impact on players is difficult, because they do.

“If you manage like that, there are going to be clashes and the likelihood of having clashes with players is, on the law of averages, going to be more prevalent than managers who try to get the best out of players doing it the other way."


I wonder if Les would prefer his players to show him up on the pitch the way Petrov used to after scoring. He tried to indulge that petulant little shit Sturridge too, look how that turned out. Then there was the brazen capitulation against Forest by several disaffected squad members in the midst of a big transfer window.

“If you look at the clubs he has been at – Inter Milan and City – he has had the means to do it. That style of management is what he knows and that’s how he manages because he hasn’t had to manage any other way.”


Utter shit. That he won cups with Lazio and Fiorentina is not exactly an obscure anecdote. Les is either lying or is unimaginably ignorant.

"I can’t think of one incident where there were flashpoints, but I played a long time and I can handle things like that."


A bizarre dig at Mancini's....playing career?
"Certainly our programme is a full one, but as a player and as a manager I've always felt that there is only one way to go into a season...and that's to try to win every game.... While we are in four major competitions we shall try to win four major competitions." - Joe Mercer
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Re: Leslie spouts off

Postby Goaters 103 » Fri Oct 21, 2011 11:35 pm

The article proves 2 things

1) Jaroobchian still has the Mirror in his pocket

2) Hughes is still chewing on the shit sandwich that was his sacking
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Re: Leslie spouts off

Postby carl_feedthegoat » Fri Oct 21, 2011 11:44 pm

Bitter...Bitter...Mumble...Mumble...Bitter..Bitter.

Mancini was a better player than you ever were..you RAG SHITE.... and he is also a much better Manager than you.

NOW FUCK OFF.
THEY SAY SWEARING IS DUE TO A LIMITED VOCABULARY. I KNOW THOUSANDS OF WORDS, BUT I STILL PREFER "FUCK OFF" TO "GO AWAY"
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Re: Leslie spouts off

Postby Beeks » Fri Oct 21, 2011 11:54 pm

So autocratic managers are not suited to modern football then Mr Hughes?

Try telling that to Taggart..
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Re: Leslie spouts off

Postby 1950 » Sat Oct 22, 2011 12:33 am

Michigan Blue wrote:I don’t know the guy personally,” said Hughes, “but looking at him from the outside, he comes across as autocratic. It’s either his way or the highway.

I’m not sure he indulges players, tries to get to know or understand them. I’m not sure he’s that type of manager.”

etc.
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Re: Leslie spouts off

Postby Colin the King » Sat Oct 22, 2011 12:42 am

-Almost gets Wales to a major tournament, but not quite
-Finishes 6th and 10th with Blackburn
-Finishes 10th with City
-Finishes 10th with Fulham

vs

-Wins things everywhere, manages huge clubs.


Yes, autocracy is definitely not the right management approach. Clearly.
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Re: Leslie spouts off

Postby Alioune DVToure » Sat Oct 22, 2011 2:18 am

WE SHOULD ALL BE FUCKING OUTRAGED AT THIS
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Re: Leslie spouts off

Postby BlueinBosnia » Sat Oct 22, 2011 2:41 am

carl_feedthegoat wrote:Bitter...Bitter...Mumble...Mumble...Bitter..Bitter.

Mancini was a better player than you ever were..you RAG SHITE.... and he is also a much better Manager than you.

NOW FUCK OFF.


Actually, honours-wise, they're almost identical.

Does anyone honestly care about this story? Honestly?

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Re: Leslie spouts off

Postby Chopper » Sat Oct 22, 2011 5:35 am

Pure comedy gold. Oh Leslie. Who even asked you? Jumpers for goalposts, rashers and pudding, training in wool jumpers 4-4-2, 5-4-1, 0898-65400 freefone double glazing?

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Re: Leslie spouts off

Postby lyons07 » Sat Oct 22, 2011 5:36 am

Bought the mirror this morning without looking at this thread or looking in the paper

HUGE mistake.
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Re: Leslie spouts off

Postby zuricity » Sat Oct 22, 2011 6:28 am

What a complete d*ckhead. Oliver Holt that is ! Hughes is just plain and simply thick.

I agree completely with Carl. Even when it's not in capitals.
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Re: Leslie spouts off

Postby Wooders » Sat Oct 22, 2011 8:15 am

hughes has made himself look completely daft with this article
what an absolute twat he makes of himself with virtually every sentence
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Re: Leslie spouts off

Postby Blue Since 76 » Sat Oct 22, 2011 8:20 am

He's right, let's sack Mancini and get him back. That'll take us forward and make us win things.

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Re: Leslie spouts off

Postby Esky » Sat Oct 22, 2011 8:21 am

Autocratic seems to have replaced dynamic as Leslie's word of the week.

Don't really blame him for being bitter but the simple truth is that wasn't and wouldn't ever have been at the right level for where we wanted to be.

I do like that Kia rolls out a new puppet every other week (Mascherano, Hughes, etc) to slam the club.
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Re: Leslie spouts off

Postby Slim » Sat Oct 22, 2011 8:37 am

Alioune DVToure wrote:WE SHOULD ALL BE FUCKING OUTRAGED AT THIS


I'd only be outraged if he wasn't a walking joke in the industry.

Unlimited funds, fantastic infrastructure, everything damn thing in the world going for him....and he managed to lose a place in the league from the previous manager.
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Re: Leslie spouts off

Postby aaron bond » Sat Oct 22, 2011 9:08 am

Slim wrote:
Alioune DVToure wrote:WE SHOULD ALL BE FUCKING OUTRAGED AT THIS


I'd only be outraged if he wasn't a walking joke in the industry.

Unlimited funds, fantastic infrastructure, everything damn thing in the world going for him....and he managed to lose a place in the league from the previous manager.


This pretty much sums it up.

This interview given by a man who spends £100m on a 9th place squad to finish 10th.
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Re: Leslie spouts off

Postby One cap Whitey » Sat Oct 22, 2011 9:25 am

On the eve of a derby. Who'd have thought it eh.

One of the best decisions ever was to sack this useless twat.
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Re: Leslie spouts off

Postby brite blu sky » Sat Oct 22, 2011 9:30 am

What he is really trying to say here is ' I'm totally out of my depth at big clubs '
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