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I’ve said it before, and I will say it again: Roberto Mancini is not the right man to guide Manchester City to major football honors. I will go further by stating that while the Italian coach is still at Eastlands, the Citizens will not win the English Premier League or the European Champions League.

My opinion is based on several factors, some of which were quite evident again at Chelsea on Monday when City lost for the first time in the domestic league this season.

My first argument is about the way Mancini has been building his team. With virtually unlimited funds, he has loaded his squad with too many world-class forwards and not enough top defenders. City have now gone eight Premier League matches without a clean sheet, and that is one of the reasons why they will not win the title.

Against Chelsea, the 47-year-old - a forward himself during his distinguished playing career – had the likes of Samir Nasri, Edin Dzeko and Adam Johnson as replacement attacking options. He had to bring on Kolo Toure, primarily a central defender, as cover after left-back Gael Clichy was sent off.

Mancini often struggles to make the right substitutions. When City went down to 10 men at Stamford Bridge, he took off the only players who could lead a counter attack – Sergio Aguero and David Silva – and replaced them with a defender (Toure) and a defensive midfielder (Nigel de Jong).

He basically any conceded hopes of winning the game with15 minutes left, with the score level at 1-1, and decided to eliminate any chance his team had of scoring a quick breakaway goal. Someone like Nasri or Johnson could have provided a spark against a tired Chelsea defense on a heavy and soggy pitch. Furthermore, one of those flair players would surely have been able to earn a few free-kicks in City’s attacking third and take the pressure off their defense for a few minutes.

In terms of man management, I believe Mancini has actually improved after clashing with several players such as Emmanuel Adebayor and Craig Bellamy in his first season at the club, but he has still made a mess of the whole Carlos Tevez saga. First, he accused the player of not wanting to come on as a substitute in the Champions League game against Bayern Munich, then it transpired the Argentina forward actually did not want to warm up again and never refused to enter the game.

Whichever way you look at it, Tevez was wrong, but this issue could have been resolved internally. By claiming, in a TV interview, that Tevez would never play for the club again, Mancini not only alienated a top player but also someone who has big influence in the dressing room. In my opinion, he lost more than he gained in that episode.

My final argument is simple: Mancini should have been able to guide City into the knockout stages of the Champions League. The players are good enough for that. Many of them would even be good enough to win the competition, if, like I mentioned before, there were a few more quality defenders around. They had some very tough opponents in their group, no doubt about it, but City should have been able to avoid defeat in Munich and in Naples. That’s what top teams with top managers are able to do at the highest level.

Don’t get me wrong - Manchester City are still good enough to challenge for the title, but they will come up short. Players win games, teams win championships, and in my view this team with this manager will never be good enough to lift the Premier League trophy.
By Pedro Pinto
http://worldsport.blogs.cnn.com/tag/cnn-world-sport-anchor/

If not who is?

Some interesting points you make , its a fact that in the CL Mancini has been under par throughout his managerial career and has carried that on with our team...he seems to not learn quick enough to avoid making the same mistakes like he did do against Bayern and Napoli, which obviously costs us in the end.

I am quite happy to have Mancini lead us right now and for the foreseeable and we should persevere with him, but...and its a big but...the guy has to improve.His substitutions have been terrible imo , his tactics overall have been good, not excellent, but good.

Lets see what happens over xmas and new year as this will be the acid test...Arsenal is a MUST win game for us.

Interesting point about substitutions. Name me a manager who consistently gets substitutions right.

Lost a game have we?

FFS. His subs , imo, were spot on last night, we had no chance of winning the game and the best option was to try and hold on for a draw, which very nearly worked apart for an unlucky pen.

Blue2 wrote:Lost a game have we?

FFS. His subs , imo, were spot on last night, we had no chance of winning the game and the best option was to try and hold on for a draw, which very nearly worked apart for an unlucky pen.

Yaya or Milner should have been subbed before the wheels fell off.

Every time I read about how Mancini doesn't know how to play in the CL, or how he is out of his depth it drives me mad. Take a good look at how and when he has managed teams in the past as well as now, each time he's been put in place when things are less than perfect. He in my mind has done the right thing each time, you need to sort out building a team to win in the league and cups first. You have to get the team on track at home before you can stand any chance of running around europe chacing silver, this is what he has done each time its only that he hasn't stayed put once the team is doing well to see it through. I hope that once he has achieved this with city he will be around for a good number of years to see the benefits of his work when we do challenge the very top teams in the most difficult comp.

we have had a crap week, not bad as we have not had one since May. So no panico.

I agree with some of the point both VK and JL have very little by way of competion for the shirt, Both also suffer IMHO from being switch on and switched off in the same minute of a game. Hart had little to do last night, and we missed Micah, yet many on here thought his time was not so long ago. Will Mancini win us the league, I think yes, he will. He is learning and to be fair it does take a club a few years to get it right week in week out, we are on our way, but I do agree we do look a little lost at the back when it put on us. Bayern, Napoli, and last night we seemed to play well and have it in hand but failed to even get the draw. Subs I think he got it.

Whilst some interesting points have been raised the end result of the analysis is bollox ... some of our 'fans' seem to be getting more raglike with each passing game. How any fan can consider the current manager not to be good enough after the shit we've been through is truely beyond me ...

Bluemoon16 wrote:I’ve said it before, and I will say it again: Roberto Mancini is not the right man to guide Manchester City to major football honors. I will go further by stating that while the Italian coach is still at Eastlands, the Citizens will not win the English Premier League or the European Champions League.

My opinion is based on several factors, some of which were quite evident again at Chelsea on Monday when City lost for the first time in the domestic league this season.

My first argument is about the way Mancini has been building his team. With virtually unlimited funds, he has loaded his squad with too many world-class forwards and not enough top defenders. City have now gone eight Premier League matches without a clean sheet, and that is one of the reasons why they will not win the title.

Against Chelsea, the 47-year-old - a forward himself during his distinguished playing career – had the likes of Samir Nasri, Edin Dzeko and Adam Johnson as replacement attacking options. He had to bring on Kolo Toure, primarily a central defender, as cover after left-back Gael Clichy was sent off.

Mancini often struggles to make the right substitutions. When City went down to 10 men at Stamford Bridge, he took off the only players who could lead a counter attack – Sergio Aguero and David Silva – and replaced them with a defender (Toure) and a defensive midfielder (Nigel de Jong).

He basically any conceded hopes of winning the game with15 minutes left, with the score level at 1-1, and decided to eliminate any chance his team had of scoring a quick breakaway goal. Someone like Nasri or Johnson could have provided a spark against a tired Chelsea defense on a heavy and soggy pitch. Furthermore, one of those flair players would surely have been able to earn a few free-kicks in City’s attacking third and take the pressure off their defense for a few minutes.

In terms of man management, I believe Mancini has actually improved after clashing with several players such as Emmanuel Adebayor and Craig Bellamy in his first season at the club, but he has still made a mess of the whole Carlos Tevez saga. First, he accused the player of not wanting to come on as a substitute in the Champions League game against Bayern Munich, then it transpired the Argentina forward actually did not want to warm up again and never refused to enter the game.

Whichever way you look at it, Tevez was wrong, but this issue could have been resolved internally. By claiming, in a TV interview, that Tevez would never play for the club again, Mancini not only alienated a top player but also someone who has big influence in the dressing room. In my opinion, he lost more than he gained in that episode.

My final argument is simple: Mancini should have been able to guide City into the knockout stages of the Champions League. The players are good enough for that. Many of them would even be good enough to win the competition, if, like I mentioned before, there were a few more quality defenders around. They had some very tough opponents in their group, no doubt about it, but City should have been able to avoid defeat in Munich and in Naples. That’s what top teams with top managers are able to do at the highest level.

Don’t get me wrong - Manchester City are still good enough to challenge for the title, but they will come up short. Players win games, teams win championships, and in my view this team with this manager will never be good enough to lift the Premier League trophy.
By Pedro Pinto

You fucking wanker, piss off. Go and sign up to The Red Cafe

Fuck off you Mune cunt.

Who is Pedro Pinto?

Bit harsh..the guy hasn't come out with a rant , he has come out with what he believes and put it across quite well.

If anyone called me RAG like to my face Id knock the shit out of you.

http://worldsport.blogs.cnn.com/2011/12 ... ster-city/

Probably should have put the link in the original post

Lol did you actually read it carl?

SORTED wrote:Lol did you actually read it carl?

Yes I did...if it was a "I want Mancini sacked" then I would have slated it...but it wasn't...It was a "I dont think Mancini can win us the prem or a CL or Europe Cup.

I think he is wrong on winning the Prem part as Mancini has proved he can win titles and I have no doubt he can win it for us...on the other hand the OP maybe right in the CL and Europa part....the latter Mancini has never excelled in throughout his managerial career.

I do not like the "You must be a RAG cunt "..its the worse fuckign insult to a City fan.

Are the insults directed at me or the writer of the article ??

Bluemoon16 wrote:Are the insults directed at me or the writer of the article ??

I think they were directed at you mate, but only becuase you made your post look like it was your opinion.

Bollocks or only a completely free opinion by a man who doesn't know anything about Manchester City? The both for me! Dear Pedro Pinto, are you a too young unexperienced journalist or only an admirer of Mourinho? The both for me again!

can we have a thread on Lescott ?