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I know it's a little soon but I am absolutely sick to the back teeth of these utterly absurd decisions. Mario's 2 yellow's, Barry's nothingness and now Vince's straight red for taking the ball cleanly. Now, I know we used to say that these things even themselves up over the course of a season but what I have always noticed is that these decisions usually always go for the so-called Top 4, of which, we're still not one of them.

What worries me is that this isn't an isolated incident from a single referee but from many individuals on a regular basis. Take Giggs' and Jones' tackles today, not even a yellow. What about against Liverpool, kicked to hell by Adam yet when Barry touches another player he's off. For me, this isn't just incompetent ref's, surely it cannot be?

So, am I imagining all this or have the referee's gone to the dogs, or more precisely, is it conceivable that the old guard, and those who gain by having the old Top 4 in their competitions, are closing ranks?

Its disgusting.. that's what it is.....not only for us but for there have been terrible terrible decisions made all season.

Definitely the WORST year I can remember for shit refereeing.

The thing that strikes me is that it's not just our games, or even other games involving the top 4, but the overall standard of refereeing has been pretty rubbish across the board this season.

Some refs have been shocking but I don't think it's limited to just us, thats a conspiracy a bit too much for me to believe. I thought the red today was a disgrace but if you strictly apply the letter of the law, two feet both of the ground then I suppose you could say that ....


nah it was bollox

I posted this in a thread 4 days ago -

It would be a lot simpler, this season, to start a thread when ever a ref has had a good game. Some of the displays at the Etihad this season have been downright disgraceful and the current crop of referees must be up their with the worst in Premier League history.

Atwell wins all awards at the Shit Referees end of season gala.

The only thing I would change 4 days on is the fact that there would now be joint winners of all the awards

Some refs have been shocking but I don't think it's limited to just us, thats a conspiracy a bit too much for me to believe. I thought the red today was a disgrace but if you strictly apply the letter of the law, two feet both of the ground then I suppose you could say that ....


nah it was bollox

Chinners wrote:Some refs have been shocking but I don't think it's limited to just us, thats a conspiracy a bit too much for me to believe. I thought the red today was a disgrace but if you strictly apply the letter of the law, two feet both of the ground then I suppose you could say that ....


nah it was bollox

Oi, we got it first time.

You could deffo make an argument for match fixing such is the state of refereeing today.its actually quite amazing how so many blatantly wrong decisions go without question.

I haven't watched the subject after they made those poor decision against us, but does anyone know if some of them were fined or they had been put on hold for some fixtures? Or the FA doesn't make public any of their decisions regarding refs?

It makes it very easy to believe that there is a conspiracy against us

Although at the time I just ended up laughing as he got everything wrong (Ferdinand pulls Milner down and gets the free kick as Milner is lay on the ball) I don't think it was bias as much as complete and utter incompetence. There was a clear penalty in the 2nd half when Kolarov took Valencia out. I was behind the other goal and could see it as could everyone around me. Either he bottled giving them another penalty or he didn't see it, either of which makes him unfit to referee.

Still think the problem is that you can't expect and amateur linesman and 40 something ref to keep up with professional players. With the speed the game is played at they just can't do it. Never seen the stats on a ref but I bet they run further than anyone else in a game. Maybe it's time for refs to be in their twenties and professional, so that we can up the standard of fitness to something closer to the players they are trying to keep up with

To me it seems that refs have always been shit, just that now with there being so many camera's covering any incident from many angles the issue of bad decisions is easier to get wound up. Without referees there would be no game. Unless you think that the players would still play it following the rules when there is no ref on the field? They cant even play it according to the rules when there is a ref on the field.
More technology or more of the fuckers IMO.

You are correct - its truely dreadful. As a qualified referee myself - even if it is just local league etc - I am embarrased.

You can accept one or two horrendous decisions a season, but its every fucking week now.

Pretty sure that most are not corrupt or anything, they are just incompetent.

I dont know what is worse.

If a referee was useless, he would be useless for both sides and that would be fair.
Which begs the question; If a ref is one sided, is he corrupt?

john68 wrote:If a referee was useless, he would be useless for both sides and that would be fair.
Which begs the question; If a ref is one sided, is he corrupt?

And that is the question Doug. Even if a ref is a little biased to one of the teams then that is a form of cheating as he is favouring one side over the other.

On the balance of play, could people say that the ref's have been even handed with their arbitration of our games? Personally, I think it's been worse than ever. It's becoming all to predictable of late and in no way has our form of play merited so many reds, especially as we are sat 5th in the Fair Play table.

Richard wrote:You are correct - its truely dreadful. As a qualified referee myself - even if it is just local league etc - I am embarrased.

You can accept one or two horrendous decisions a season, but its every fucking week now.

Pretty sure that most are not corrupt or anything, they are just incompetent.

I dont know what is worse.

But Chris Foy is a fully paid professional referee, he's paid to get things right. If that had happened in a game you were officiating, would you have sent the player off, and, what was your take on the whole incident - carries on with play until a player protests?

I have never known a season where there have been so many refereeing nightmare displays, they are supposed to be full time highly paid processionals. This is I think is the problem, with them becoming processionals and in charge of a team of officials in each game they have all become arrogant and think they are now an integral part and of the same importance as the players.
They are there to aid the flow and fairness of the game without taking centre stage.

They are now a bunch of control freaks that are demeaning the game we are all so passionate about.

And as for all the ex-ref's analysis we now get with fucktards like Graham Poll, they can fuck right off.

Beefymcfc wrote:

Richard wrote:You are correct - its truely dreadful. As a qualified referee myself - even if it is just local league etc - I am embarrased.

You can accept one or two horrendous decisions a season, but its every fucking week now.

Pretty sure that most are not corrupt or anything, they are just incompetent.

I dont know what is worse.

But Chris Foy is a fully paid professional referee, he's paid to get things right. If that had happened in a game you were officiating, would you have sent the player off, and, what was your take on the whole incident - carries on with play until a player protests?

Completely agree with you Beefy, given the amount of time that these guys get to train etc - its amazing how poor they can be.

If I sent somebody off for a tackle like that it would be a 4v4 match by the end of the game. For a yellow it has to be 'reckless' for a sending off it is classed as 'excessive force' . Kompanys were neither - had no intention of injurying the player and got 100% of the ball.

I can half see where he is coming from as technically he did go slightly two footed, but the ref has to have a brain and use common sense.

Very odd that the ref seems to produce a red only when Rooney starts to protest. If a referee isnt decisive and needs confirmation of what he thinks he sees, then he shouldnt be refeering.

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john68 wrote:If a referee was useless, he would be useless for both sides and that would be fair.
Which begs the question; If a ref is one sided, is he corrupt?

Exactly. In a season where so manyof the wrong decisions are going against us I am starting to think that some of them are corrupt

Richard wrote:

Beefymcfc wrote:

Richard wrote:You are correct - its truely dreadful. As a qualified referee myself - even if it is just local league etc - I am embarrased.

You can accept one or two horrendous decisions a season, but its every fucking week now.

Pretty sure that most are not corrupt or anything, they are just incompetent.

I dont know what is worse.

But Chris Foy is a fully paid professional referee, he's paid to get things right. If that had happened in a game you were officiating, would you have sent the player off, and, what was your take on the whole incident - carries on with play until a player protests?

Completely agree with you Beefy, given the amount of time that these guys get to train etc - its amazing how poor they can be.

If I sent somebody off for a tackle like that it would be a 4v4 match by the end of the game. For a yellow it has to be 'reckless' for a sending off it is classed as 'excessive force' . Kompanys were neither - had no intention of injurying the player and got 100% of the ball.

I can half see where he is coming from as technically he did go slightly two footed, but the ref has to have a brain and use common sense.

Very odd that the ref seems to produce a red only when Rooney starts to protest. If a referee isnt decisive and needs confirmation of what he thinks he sees, then he shouldnt be refeering.

Cheers mate, just goes to show that some ref's do use common sense ;-)