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If we finish 2nd?.

Also considering our cup competitions and overall form... everything considered whats the general opinion?

Personally I really like Mancini but cant help feeling that if we finish 2nd and as we were so close but seemed to throw it away.. he'd have come up short a bit this year

Nope.

We would have won fucl all despite having 5 bites at the cherry. Progress in the league in terms of points gained and position finished but with our squad, winning zip is a failure. We should have won the Carling Cup to be honest but Kompany's ban took care of that.

If we finish on 85 points or so and come 2nd it will be a semi success as we will be one position higher and 15 points better off. But not to win anything at all must be considered a failure.We are too good a team not to win anything this season.

But I think Mancini should definitely stay and show that he heas learned from the mistakes,but a few,let a few go and we will be stronger and better next season.

The key imo, is that we finish the season looking like a team who is ready to take it a step further. I said the same last season, when I was very unhappy with a lot of Bob's moves; we needed a strong finish to propel us into this season in the right shape. We got it.

The same now & this season is a big success imo. It's what we originally aimed for; a title challenge. We got it & it's not over yet. Any kind of Sven type collapse though & the opposite will be the case. We won't improve next season if we collapse now.

success means we have won something, but we havnt [still could ]coming 2nd is a step forward and getting 80+ points is another step forward but to have been top of prem and then to implode is not a success, we need to learn from our mistakes this season and upward and forward next.

If we don't win the PL, then no. We were joint 2nd last season but we won the FA Cup. So this season we have gone backwards no matter how many points we end up with !

We threw away the CL, Europa, FA and League Cups too easily mainly due to our home results which is quite strange and unforgivable taking into account how commanding our home form has been in the PL. Still can't believe we conceded 2 goals to Lisbon at home and lost the tie. Not to mention the 3 conceded to the scum after battering them away a few weeks earlier !!

Still I would like Bobby to stay as we need continuity and hope he has a good break in the summer and think about and accept the mistakes he made and then fix them (strange starting line-ups, strange or too late substitutions, prepare the team better for away games at Everton !!).

This is a tricky question. In the first part of the season i would had said yes, but now i am not that sure. At the moment i don't know if this squad we have now, could had beat in a game, the squad we had last season. Now we look like we are in a downfall and that might cost us.

I have a question for my fellow blues on the other hand, do you consider Scouse 1 having a better season that us? They won the Carling Cup and they can do the double, in the FA, but still looked shit it the league.

Dubaimancityfan wrote:If we don't win the PL, then no. We were joint 2nd last season but we won the FA Cup. So this season we have gone backwards no matter how many points we end up with !

We threw away the CL, Europa, FA and League Cups too easily mainly due to our home results which is quite strange and unforgivable taking into account how commanding our home form has been in the PL. Still can't believe we conceded 2 goals to Lisbon at home and lost the tie. Not to mention the 3 conceded to the scum after battering them away a few weeks earlier !!

Still I would like Bobby to stay as we need continuity and hope he has a good break in the summer and think about and accept the mistakes he made and then fix them (strange starting line-ups, strange or too late substitutions, prepare the team better for away games at Everton !!).

Spot on for me really.

"Joint 2nd" isn't a position, we finished 3rd.

bluej wrote:"Joint 2nd" isn't a position, we finished 3rd.

If you wanna get technical then yes we came 3rd on GD but I just wanted to illustrate the point that we would not have made any progress if we came 2nd this season without winning any Cup .

If we finish 2nd then it's an improvement on last season. Whilst achieving that position we've played some of the best football anyone here has seen City play in our lifetime. We've turned over some of our real bogey sides (including a double over Spurs) and we humilated the filth at the Swamp whilst giving baconface his biggest ever defeat.

I don't know about anyone else but I've enjoyed this season better than any other I can remember. Anyone who thinks that we'll just walk it to the title whilst wiping each and every other team aside needs to get a grip and remember that this is City. You can't have all these good times without some of the obligatory shite that goes with being a City fan, no matter how big and rich we've become.

Regardless of what happens here on in, I will see this season as a success. If we don't win anything, so what? It's nothing new. It's not like I'm not used to it. Aside from last season we've gone decades without winning anything, now we're expected to win something every season?

We should still be improving and still growing and still building. Each season should be better than the last and if it is, then that should be seen as a successful season. If we keep heading in the right direction, the trophies will come.

saulman wrote:If we finish 2nd then it's an improvement on last season. Whilst achieving that position we've played some of the best football anyone here has seen City play in our lifetime. We've turned over some of our real bogey sides (including a double over Spurs) and we humilated the filth at the Swamp whilst giving baconface his biggest ever defeat.

I don't know about anyone else but I've enjoyed this season better than any other I can remember. Anyone who thinks that we'll just walk it to the title whilst wiping each and every other team aside needs to get a grip and remember that this is City. You can't have all these good times without some of the obligatory shite that goes with being a City fan, no matter how big and rich we've become.

Regardless of what happens here on in, I will see this season as a success. If we don't win anything, so what? It's nothing new. It's not like I'm not used to it. Aside from last season we've gone decades without winning anything, now we're expected to win something every season?

We should still be improving and still growing and still building. Each season should be better than the last and if it is, then that should be seen as a successful season. If we keep heading in the right direction, the trophies will come.

Spot on.

It will be a shocking failure. And there is one man to blame for it.

The cintillating football and records mean fuckall to me the ones I wanted that you get by winning shit we haven't got so for me this season is begining to look like it might be a failure.

saulman wrote:If we finish 2nd then it's an improvement on last season. Whilst achieving that position we've played some of the best football anyone here has seen City play in our lifetime. We've turned over some of our real bogey sides (including a double over Spurs) and we humilated the filth at the Swamp whilst giving baconface his biggest ever defeat.

I don't know about anyone else but I've enjoyed this season better than any other I can remember. Anyone who thinks that we'll just walk it to the title whilst wiping each and every other team aside needs to get a grip and remember that this is City. You can't have all these good times without some of the obligatory shite that goes with being a City fan, no matter how big and rich we've become.

Regardless of what happens here on in, I will see this season as a success. If we don't win anything, so what? It's nothing new. It's not like I'm not used to it. Aside from last season we've gone decades without winning anything, now we're expected to win something every season?

We should still be improving and still growing and still building. Each season should be better than the last and if it is, then that should be seen as a successful season. If we keep heading in the right direction, the trophies will come.

Starpost of the month.

That's 100% how I feel.

Piccsnumberoneblue wrote:It will be a shocking failure. And there is one man to blame for it.

agreed. I can't even understand the depth of perspectives that seem in contrast to that one.

Has this season been fun? it's been a blast up to the last few weeks, now I feel like a dog's chew toy. Here's my take on some of the most popular perspectives in this thread:
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Conventional Wisdom: Finshing 2nd an improvement on last season?

Reality: A luxurious thing to afford for the elitist.
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Conventional Wisdom: Playing the 'best football City have ever played?'

Reality: Hardly happened in 2012...a swoon of epic proportions which will talked about for decades, and not just by us.
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Conventional Wisdom: The "this is city, wouldn't be highs without lows/typical city/we've never won, so..." attitude?

Reality: Ridiculously pathetic.
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Conventional Wisdom: Taking solace in doing the double over Spurs? And maybe Rags?

Reality: Those are small joys that teams like Everton enjoy. Is that really what we hang our hats on?
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Conventional Wisdom: "learning how to play in European competition"?

Reality: Please...most of our players have been playing CL and/or European football for a majority of their careers. It's a joke. And they are well-capped international players who've been around the block and seen some stuff. These aren't academy kids who just fell into it...
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i just...i don't see this season as optimistically as some. Sure if we find a way to win out and reengage the battle then, fine...i'll doff my cap to the manager. And be proud as fucl. But i can't see that based on the last two weeks.


And to Spidey -- yes i think Scouse might have had a "more successful" season than City by winning a trophy. If they win two, then it's surely so. If i were a Liverpool fan i'm not sure tho that i'd want another year of Kenny...i'd probably be yearning more for what City had done this year than those 1 or 2 pots. The world's a strange place i guess.

Douglas Higginbottom wrote:If we finish on 85 points or so and come 2nd it will be a semi success as we will be one position higher and 15 points better off. But not to win anything at all must be considered a failure.We are too good a team not to win anything this season.

But I think Mancini should definitely stay and show that he heas learned from the mistakes,but a few,let a few go and we will be stronger and better next season.

This.

Said at the start, we should be top by Xmas, then anything can happen. But we should have won something this season.

I really hope we can clear out those 4-5 players who are big names, out on loan, sucking up our wages but not contributing to the squad. It makes it much harder to deal with lack of winning the league because we played SO well and went ahead by a respectable margin.

2nd is respectable, if we'd won something else to go with it id be happier. We need to strengthen with some prove premier league quality, have 25 usable players and sort the fucking away form and tactics out. Mancini won't get another chance after next season.

Ted Hughes wrote:The key imo, is that we finish the season looking like a team who is ready to take it a step further. I said the same last season, when I was very unhappy with a lot of Bob's moves; we needed a strong finish to propel us into this season in the right shape. We got it.

The same now & this season is a big success imo. It's what we originally aimed for; a title challenge. We got it & it's not over yet. Any kind of Sven type collapse though & the opposite will be the case. We won't improve next season if we collapse now.

Your judgement is always sensible and farsighted and overall pretty much spot on.
Though, I slightly disagree as to define it a big success. It is obviously well too early to say and will depend on how the goings shall go from now on, as DH easily pointed out above. It still may end with a throbbing trumph...
as it stands now, particularly after the shocking output from yesterday and taking in serious account that we hardly can rely in a prompt refurbishment of Dave's spark it is fair to assess that City are ending as an honorable runner-up.
if so, that I'm not ready to bet for, we will end without a trophy as former FA Cup holders, after having dominated the league by the table and the pitch... In a nutshell: improvement on the big scheme yes, a big success, no.

let's see how the lads shall bounce back in London tho, cause I have visions that with bigger motivation than Black Cats they might surprise us again (even if the situation is pretty different from last year's liverpool aftermatch)

Not a success at all.

How can second be classed as success, success is winning something so the thread is a bit misleading. However, I wouldn't call it a disaster and if we did come 2nd then I wouldn't be disappointed. Yes, it's nice to think we can win it, and I still do, but the season we've had soo far, especially at home, has been very, very decent, as Joe would say.