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Post by a rag, but quite a good one

PostPosted: Mon Apr 02, 2012 8:02 pm
by Bridge'srightfoot
Man City tactics

Anybody else think Mancini has City playing too fluid a system, with players drifting from their positions far too much? Obviously when done properly players swapping positions and being free to move around the pitch can result in great football and drag the opposition all over the place, but City have just took it to extreme levels. When United play Rooney is probably the only player who plays with the same freedom. He can drop deep to pick up the ball or come out wide etc, and it is very effective. But when over half the team plays this way it causes the team to lose their shape and can make them easy to defend against. They play a 4-2-3-1 starting today with,

Richards-Toure-Kompany-Kolorov
---- De Jong--Yaya Toure----
Milner---- Balotelli---- Silva
---------Dzeko---------

and out of those players I'd class Richards, Yaya Toure, Silva, Milner, Balotelli and Dzeko all playing with the same level of freedom that Rooney does for United, which is just too much to be effective.

Today even Dzeko who usually spearheads the attacks and remains fairly static, occupying the centre backs, was popping up in central midfield to collect the ball and play from deep. It was crazy. It left no body up front and he is not exactly fast enough that he can make up the ground. In general it was counter productive, as without a clear striker at times there was no threat in behind the Sunderland backline, all the play was safely in front on the defenders. When Rooney drops deep for United, we have Hernandez maintaining his position up front which keeps a constant threat of a through ball for the opposition defence, or even if Hernandez wasn't there for some reason, our wingers are always available for the pass out wide. Similarly to Dzeko Milner who was playing on the wing, kept coming inside and playing in the middle making them narrow, Balotelli was pretty much everywhere, Silva drifted like he usually does, Richards plays all along the right hand side, Toure was both one of the holding midfielders, but also trying to get on the end of every attack. Too often it just resulted in a complete deterioration of their shape and made them narrow as players drifted inside.

Moreover the players would end up in positions that they are not supposed to play in, or where they play best. Richards is the best example today as in the first half the amount he got forward was absurd, it was like he was a right winger... but he completely lacks the technical skill to play there. If you want to play a right winger then why not play Johnson? There were times when he was literally the furthest player forward. Yaya is great at breaking from deep but too often he was just hanging around the penalty box which leaves them open to the counter. Milner was a winger playing as a centre mid for large portions of the game, so they were too narrow. He would just come inside where Toure and De Jong were and play simple passes in the already clogged up midfield, it was pointless and City needed him to stay out wide and stretch the pitch. There is no doubt more examples, Nasri is constantly doing it when he plays, he drops deeper than Yaya all the time, it is like they swap positions and the attacking midfielder plays in centre mid, and the centre mid plays in attacking midfield.

When it works, it can produce fantastic football, like at the start of the season when teams just simply could not cope with them, but at the moment it seems too much and when Aguero is missing the movement does not seem clever enough to pose much threat. Milner today for example was entirely predictable when he came in from the wing, so it gave no benefit.

The 4-2-3-1 formation they play is quite similar to Madrid, but they are the complete opposite in the way they play. The players stick to their position much more at Madrid, with the front four responsible for attacking and the midfielders maintaining position in the middle. None of Alonso, Khedira, Diarra would get forwards in same way as Toure. Ronaldo and Di Maria don’t drop as deep as Aguero, Silva, Nasri, Milner etc. Even Ozil and Kaka stay forward more and don’t try and drop deep all the time to control the tempo in the same way that Nasri or Silva do. They just leave that to Alonso and play further forward.

What do people think? City must be the most fluid side in Europe at the moment easily surpassing Barcelona, but it is counter productive in my view.



Find it hard to disagree too much, he makes some good points, what you think?
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Re: Post by a rag, but quite a good one

PostPosted: Mon Apr 02, 2012 9:01 pm
by paddyblue
he like every team has sussed us out

Re: Post by a rag, but quite a good one

PostPosted: Mon Apr 02, 2012 9:01 pm
by Beefymcfc
I think he's a Rag cunt. Did you post that?

Re: Post by a rag, but quite a good one

PostPosted: Mon Apr 02, 2012 9:04 pm
by Mase
I think he's probably a piss soaked munich twat.

Re: Post by a rag, but quite a good one

PostPosted: Mon Apr 02, 2012 9:07 pm
by bluej
Beefymcfc wrote:I think he's a Rag cunt. Did you post that?


'like'

Re: Post by a rag, but quite a good one

PostPosted: Mon Apr 02, 2012 9:11 pm
by bigblue
Beefymcfc wrote:I think he's a Rag cunt. Did you post that?


can't help but echo the same feeling. 9 times out of 10 BRF is either defending them or the media for supporting them

Re: Post by a rag, but quite a good one

PostPosted: Mon Apr 02, 2012 9:47 pm
by Beefymcfc
Can you post the link to that BRF, I'd like to read that thread?

Re: Post by a rag, but quite a good one

PostPosted: Mon Apr 02, 2012 9:49 pm
by Bridge'srightfoot
I don't see why you're incapable of responding without actually reading the post. It's not a dickish post, in fact you wouldn't even know it was from a rag. It doesn't insult our team, it just makes a lot of good points.

Re: Post by a rag, but quite a good one

PostPosted: Mon Apr 02, 2012 9:51 pm
by Beefymcfc
Bridge'srightfoot wrote:I don't see why you're incapable of responding without actually reading the post. It's not a dickish post, in fact you wouldn't even know it was from a rag. It doesn't insult our team, it just makes a lot of good points.

Just the link please mate.

Re: Post by a rag, but quite a good one

PostPosted: Mon Apr 02, 2012 10:00 pm
by bigblue
Bridge'srightfoot wrote:I don't see why you're incapable of responding without actually reading the post. It's not a dickish post, in fact you wouldn't even know it was from a rag. It doesn't insult our team, it just makes a lot of good points.


I'm with beefy, the thread behind this would be interesting to read.

Re: Post by a rag, but quite a good one

PostPosted: Mon Apr 02, 2012 10:11 pm
by Bridge'srightfoot

Re: Post by a rag, but quite a good one

PostPosted: Mon Apr 02, 2012 10:18 pm
by phips
dont post anything related to united on here..or else you're a rag cunt.

thats a good read though and something I've commented on alot on here.
some of the worst congestion comes when nasri, richards, silva, and johnson are on the pitch together. they all
cram up on the right. even when nasri and silva play together they often get in each others' ways and play
2 foot passes to one another, identifying the lack of positional play and spacing.

Re: Post by a rag, but quite a good one

PostPosted: Mon Apr 02, 2012 10:48 pm
by DoomMerchant
How can anyone read that and think Mancini is doing a great job?

Even the rag cafe has us sussed.

My 6 year old said to me Saturday "daddy why is everything being played through the middle with no width and no pace?"

I told him to fuck off and drink his chocolate milk. True story.

Re: Post by a rag, but quite a good one

PostPosted: Mon Apr 02, 2012 11:15 pm
by shawzy
Rag or not..Its a very sensible and unbiased analysis of how we are currently playing.
What happened to our fast paced attacks from all angles nd areas of the pitch? The other thing ive noticed that has gone missing in our play. When we lose possession, we would hunt the ball down and retrieve it as quick as we lost it.
Are our players. Overtrained, tired,some carrying injuries, inexperienced to win a prem league? Maybe all of those.
Very frustrating 2nd half of the season thats doing all of our heads in.

Re: Post by a rag, but quite a good one

PostPosted: Tue Apr 03, 2012 12:17 am
by DoomMerchant
shawzy wrote:Rag or not..Its a very sensible and unbiased analysis of how we are currently playing.
What happened to our fast paced attacks from all angles nd areas of the pitch? The other thing ive noticed that has gone missing in our play. When we lose possession, we would hunt the ball down and retrieve it as quick as we lost it.
Are our players. Overtrained, tired,some carrying injuries, inexperienced to win a prem league? Maybe all of those.
Very frustrating 2nd half of the season thats doing all of our heads in.


it's like most of them have nighttime DJ gigs and fucking aren't ready for the real work of their main jobs on the weekend. it happens!

Re: Post by a rag, but quite a good one

PostPosted: Tue Apr 03, 2012 6:25 am
by Niall Quinns Discopants
Rag or not, I thought that was just your average football fan drivel written in a message board. Nothing insightfull really.

Re: Post by a rag, but quite a good one

PostPosted: Tue Apr 03, 2012 6:35 am
by shawzy
DoomMerchant wrote:
shawzy wrote:Rag or not..Its a very sensible and unbiased analysis of how we are currently playing.
What happened to our fast paced attacks from all angles nd areas of the pitch? The other thing ive noticed that has gone missing in our play. When we lose possession, we would hunt the ball down and retrieve it as quick as we lost it.
Are our players. Overtrained, tired,some carrying injuries, inexperienced to win a prem league? Maybe all of those.
Very frustrating 2nd half of the season thats doing all of our heads in.


it's like most of them have nighttime DJ gigs and fucking aren't ready for the real work of their main jobs on the weekend. it happens!


Haha..Very good squire ;-0

Re: Post by a rag, but quite a good one

PostPosted: Tue Apr 03, 2012 8:26 am
by Guy Debord
Niall Quinns Discopants wrote:Rag or not, I thought that was just your average football fan drivel written in a message board. Nothing insightfull really.


Exactly this. We used the same system when we beat his team 6-1 and made them look decidedly inferior. we used this system at the beginning of the season when we were tearing it up. He has no idea what he's looking at.

Re: Post by a rag, but quite a good one

PostPosted: Tue Apr 03, 2012 8:37 am
by MR IMAINEROAD
Niall Quinns Discopants wrote:Rag or not, I thought that was just your average football fan drivel written in a message board. Nothing insightfull really.



At last the truth about football chat rooms...


:)

Re: Post by a rag, but quite a good one

PostPosted: Tue Apr 03, 2012 8:54 am
by Im_Spartacus
Niall Quinns Discopants wrote:Rag or not, I thought that was just your average football fan drivel written in a message board. Nothing insightfull really.


I dont know, think you are doing the guy a disservice, in fact the whole thread was quite a refreshing read to actually see a mune talk about something of substance.

I have long had an issue with our forward play, and the way our central striker always has to drop deep to receive the ball, meaning quick ball out tothe wings would be met with a cross to 2 centre halves and no city player.

I had hoped that dzeko or balotelli would be a remedy for that, but whilst everyone on here is screaming about his workrate etc, they are obviously told to drop deep to help the midfield retain possession, and as a result leave no cunt in the middle.

But it is part of a wider issue which i have noticed this season, in that With the exception of kolarov, we never get the ball to a players feet who is facing the right way, who can then use a drop of the shoulder or a burst of pace to wrongfoot the defence. I feel it is this single factor alone which is causing problems when attacking. Whether that is because players cant see the right passes, the movement off the ball is not what it was, or whether there are one or two players causing this, i dont know.

I often feel de jong is all too guilty of a lazy option and as a result massively hampers us offensively, not just by his own limitations, but by laying the ball off to the first person he sees, often putting them in trouble meaning we either lose the ball or panic the next pass.

Who for example would say aguero is a back to the goal, shearer type player?