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The refereeing in the Premiership this season has been beyond appalling... its incompetent. It seems that every week there are at least 2 controversial mistakes made that seem so blatant to everyone else in the stadium on the pitch and watching on TV, and i'm not just referring to the farce that is the "give United a penalty every game" policy ... what an earth is going on with ref's and linesmen this season? Its got to be the worst in any top flight league in the world and totally embarrassing for the league... the worst thing is, the fact that the FA seem reluctant to even address it or make the culprits accountable... if a team like Wigan, end up going down due to the decisions they've had against them, or a team miss out on Champions League qualification, given the huge sums of money at stake, at what point does someone sue the FA?!

It can't carry on like this... the refereeing is in danger of ruining the league.

Kiss_The_Goat wrote:The refereeing in the Premiership this season has been beyond appalling... its incompetent. It seems that every week there are at least 2 controversial mistakes made that seem so blatant to everyone else in the stadium on the pitch and watching on TV, and i'm not just referring to the farce that is the "give United a penalty every game" policy ... what an earth is going on with ref's and linesmen this season? Its got to be the worst in any top flight league in the world and totally embarrassing for the league... the worst thing is, the fact that the FA seem reluctant to even address it or make the culprits accountable... if a team like Wigan, end up going down due to the decisions they've had against them, or a team miss out on Champions League qualification, given the huge sums of money at stake, at what point does someone sue the FA?!

It can't carry on like this... the refereeing is in danger of ruining the league.

In danger of........?

The ref bottles it, he should of given a pen Cech sent off , they take off a midfielder and spurs stretch the game and can equalise , not that I give a shit spuds are out just that the ref had a shocker and will get another game next week no punishment

sheiks and camels wrote:The ref bottles it, he should of given a pen Cech sent off , they take off a midfielder and spurs stretch the game and can equalise , not that I give a shit spuds are out just that the ref had a shocker and will get another game next week no punishment

There are 2 games today, both hugely important, and both have massive blatant, game changing mistakes in them?! The refs and linesmen should be fired or at least suspended for months without pay. Its just not good enough. They're supposed to be professionals ffs!

sheiks and camels wrote:The ref bottles it, he should of given a pen Cech sent off , they take off a midfielder and spurs stretch the game and can equalise , not that I give a shit spuds are out just that the ref had a shocker and will get another game next week no punishment

problem is there is a shortage of quality refs coming through. They all have to start at a low level...with low life people on the sidelines making it difficult to stick with. would I take up reffing merely to be spat on by some cunt who knows 3/8ths of fuck all? no.....what we are seeing is a failure to adjust to the modern game. A failure to move with the times. Players want to con, cheat because, playing the percentages, the benefits at the moment, outweigh the disadvantages. So, just like you would put an errant child into naughty corner you have to bring these players and the incidents surrounding the players into the spotlight. Video evidence. Two appeals per half per manager. to start. Mcleish could have appealed the pen. overturned.30 secs. Then, scum would have to find another way. If it involved money then I'm sure they will. If they pulled something else then we wouldnt have a game. We'd merely play even more video games make more babies and drink more alcohol

I think it's because there is so much TV coverage of events.
Super fit athletes(the players) play at speed that and that can be analysed in slo mo, from angles that a pair of eyes that have make a decision only see once.The technology conveying it is 21st centuary the application of the rules needs to catch up.

Can anybody answer why the term '..if not sure, don't give it..' somehow turns into '..if not sure, give it the Sky Four..'?

This is not mere incompetence, neither is it short sightedness or guessing at decisions. Some of these decisions are plain for all to see, as clear as the nose on your face. Well, unless you are the Premier League Referee's Association, then you have no nose, nor a face, they are a law unto themselves. I've always wondered who pays them though; who is their master?

The only decent ref is Mike Dean.He wont cowtow to bacon i wonder if thats why he gets so few of the rags games.

Phil Dowd
The Community Shield...City get 5 yellow cards.
We beat both Swansea and Bolton...neither game sees any cards shown by other refs.
Dowd refs our next game versus Spurs. We win but Dowd issues City with another 4 yellow cards.
We had played 4 games and received 9 yellow cards...ALL ISSUED BY PHIL DOWD.
By the time Dowd is in charge again (v Blackburn), we have played 8 games. We have received 12 yellow cards, 10 of then issued by Phil Dowd. Clattenburg and Webb have issued 1 yellow card each against us.
He reffed the Anfield leg of the Carling Cup Semi and awarded a penalty against Micah for the supposed handball by Micah and also ignored the blatent foul by Adams on Dzeko in the area.
Those decisions alone effectively ended our chances of a Wembley final versus Cardiff City and another trophy to celebrate.

Rag_hater wrote:I think it's because there is so much TV coverage of events.
Super fit athletes(the players) play at speed that and that can be analysed in slo mo, from angles that a pair of eyes that have make a decision only see once.The technology conveying it is 21st centuary the application of the rules needs to catch up.

Spot on. And the refs know it and have become averse to upsetting the greater number of people and, most particularly, those with the ears of the press. If a mistake cost manure the title we wouldn't hear the end of it until Shreklet is getting his old age pension. If one costs Wigan the media just cough and look the other way. So rather than corruption it is really just an extension of the media bias. Replays would help but might not eliminate the whole problem. What happens when a nervous fourth official says there was contact leading to the Young triple lutz with splashdown and gives the pen anyway?

Bianchi on Ice wrote:. Players want to con, cheat because, playing the percentages, the benefits at the moment, outweigh the disadvantages. So, just like you would put an errant child into naughty corner you have to bring these players and the incidents surrounding the players into the spotlight. Video evidence. Two appeals per half per manager. to start. Mcleish could have appealed the pen. overturned.30 secs.

Who would have it given the pen - the same people who decided Derry deserved the red card for the attack on Young the previous home game?

The standard of refereeing is very poor - the goal decision yesterday was ridiculous. However, players and managers don't help with blatant cheating. But do the FA back the refs? Young has now dived for two penalties in the last two games. Will he be charged with bringing the game into disrepute or will we just accept it, as it only hurt Villa and QPR and no one cares?

I don't remember there being a situation when we are discussing an upcoming match and one of the first questions is..whose the ref?
It shouldnt matter one bit, but thats how things are now. Whose the ref? dowd? oh shit. It MUST transmit to the players as well, must do, and even if its only a small doubt, for any player to have a lack of faith that the officials are going to be 100% straight is so wrong.

Rag_hater wrote:I think it's because there is so much TV coverage of events.
Super fit athletes(the players) play at speed that and that can be analysed in slo mo, from angles that a pair of eyes that have make a decision only see once.The technology conveying it is 21st centuary the application of the rules needs to catch up.

This

trout man wrote:

Rag_hater wrote:I think it's because there is so much TV coverage of events.
Super fit athletes(the players) play at speed that and that can be analysed in slo mo, from angles that a pair of eyes that have make a decision only see once.The technology conveying it is 21st centuary the application of the rules needs to catch up.

This

I second this. However, with Blatter in charge, who still lives in the stone age, football moving on won't happen. Look how much time it took for Blatter to even recognise it. A goal disallowed at the WC, the biggest stage of them all. Where are we now?

gillie wrote:The only decent ref is Mike Dean.He wont cowtow to bacon i wonder if thats why he gets so few of the rags games.

Now - lets see who is selected to ref the derby????

Love to be proven wrong - but it will not be Mike Dean

My guess now that Walton has retired is (in order of Baconface's preference):

Webb
Clattenburg
Foy
Dowd
Halsey

My jaw will hit the floor if it is one of the others on the ref roster

mcfc1632 wrote:

gillie wrote:The only decent ref is Mike Dean.He wont cowtow to bacon i wonder if thats why he gets so few of the rags games.

Now - lets see who is selected to ref the derby????

Love to be proven wrong - but it will not be Mike Dean

My guess now that Walton has retired is (in order of Baconface's preference):

Webb
Clattenburg
Foy
Dowd
Halsey

My jaw will hit the floor if it is one of the others on the ref roster

It will be Webb the scums signing of the century i have no doubts at all about that.

mcfc1632 wrote:
Now - lets see who is selected to ref the derby????

Love to be proven wrong - but it will not be Mike Dean

My guess now that Walton has retired is (in order of Baconface's preference):

Webb
Clattenburg
Foy
Dowd
Halsey

My jaw will hit the floor if it is one of the others on the ref roster

We need to get onto the FA and do a taggart. Five separate emails each going something like this.

We beleive (insert bent officials name here) is a cheating bastard and we will not accept him as a referee at the etihad stadium.

Yours sincerely

The richest club in the world and the future of this league.

That's how ref's are decided right? The home team picks first or is that just the rags allowed to do that.

It is not INCOMPETENT refereeing ; it is RIGGED !.
These people are not mere clowns, they are utter CRIMINALS , who know exactly what they are doing . This is organised crime orchestrated by a silent,invisible , agenda-driven MAFIA who have progressively hijacked the game.

As I've said in the match day thread; its not going to be long before a referee gets attacked on the pitch during a Premierleague match. And again, when it happens I'll sit there laughing my head off!

trout man wrote:

Rag_hater wrote:I think it's because there is so much TV coverage of events.
Super fit athletes(the players) play at speed that and that can be analysed in slo mo, from angles that a pair of eyes that have make a decision only see once.The technology conveying it is 21st centuary the application of the rules needs to catch up.

This

Surely to God in this computer age and in in a billion dollar industry we can use the same technology to instantly verify or nullify game changing decisions from the sidelines? The species argument about it taking up time is ridiculous. How long do we have to wait for players to be peeled off the referee when these things occur?

Only 3 areas need be covered

Crossing the goal line, (cf spuds yesterday etc)
Border line penalties ( or in the case of the scum, every penalty decision...)
Whether or not a challenge warrants a red card.


Video analysis can be used both ways.