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I mean it's a red card challenge isn't it? It just so happens Bale was there to tap in. If he hadn't of been then it would of been a penalty and a red card. If a yellow card challenge is made and the ref plays advantage he'll come back to book the player. Can't help feeling the Spuds were hard done by there.

It's a goal and a yellow. If Bale wasn't there and play had of stopped it would have been a pen and a red.

They said about this last night. They said because the goal was scored it then didnt stop a goal scoring opprtunity, so the player stays on. I guess if he would have missed, it would have been brought back for a pen and Cech would have been sent off.

could not care less. spuds will never get an ounce of sympathy from me.

Sideshow Bob wrote:could not care less. spuds will never get an ounce of sympathy from me.

Great contribution to the thread mate. Thanks.

dazby wrote:It's a goal and a yellow. If Bale wasn't there and play had of stopped it would have been a pen and a red.

The fact that bale was there should be irrelevant.

The important issue is whether the goalkeeper was last man on the defending team, not whether there was anyone free to tap the ball in when it ran free. Either way, the goalkeeper denied a goalscoring opportunity with his foul, and as last man, it is inexcusable to shy away from giving a red card.

Im_Spartacus wrote:

dazby wrote:It's a goal and a yellow. If Bale wasn't there and play had of stopped it would have been a pen and a red.

The fact that bale was there should be irrelevant.

The important issue is whether the goalkeeper was last man on the defending team, not whether there was anyone free to tap the ball in when it ran free. Either way, the goalkeeper denied a goalscoring opportunity with his foul, and as last man, it is inexcusable to shy away from giving a red card.

He didnt stop a goal scoring oppotunity though, hence why the ball ended up in the back of the net. To let the goal stand and then give Cech a red card afterwards would have been a bit silly imo. The reason they give reds when a goal isnt scored, but the foul in itself stopped a blatant opportunity, is due to the fact the the pen could be missed and so no punishment is given for illigally stopping the goal scoring opportunity.

Saying this, I wonder what would happen if a player blatently handled the ball to stop it from goin it, but the ball fell to another player and he slotted it into the net. Would the player still be sent off for intentional hand ball??

Bridge'srightfoot wrote:

Sideshow Bob wrote:could not care less. spuds will never get an ounce of sympathy from me.

Great contribution to the thread mate. Thanks.

great contribution to the forum. twunt.

Dazzacity wrote:
He didnt stop a goal scoring oppotunity though, hence why the ball ended up in the back of the net. To let the goal stand and then give Cech a red card afterwards would have been a bit silly imo. The reason they give reds when a goal isnt scored, but the foul in its self stop a blatant opportunity, is due to the fact the the pen could be missed and so no punishment is given for illigally stopping the goal scoring opportunity.

Saying this, I wonder what would happen if a player blatently handled the ball to stop it from goin it, but the ball fell to another player and he slotted it into the net. Would the player still be sent off for intentional hand ball??

He did though, he stopped the first player from having a goalscoring opportunity. It doesnt matter what subsequently happens, it doesnt change the fact that he committed that offence.

Im_Spartacus wrote:

Dazzacity wrote:
He didnt stop a goal scoring oppotunity though, hence why the ball ended up in the back of the net. To let the goal stand and then give Cech a red card afterwards would have been a bit silly imo. The reason they give reds when a goal isnt scored, but the foul in its self stop a blatant opportunity, is due to the fact the the pen could be missed and so no punishment is given for illigally stopping the goal scoring opportunity.

Saying this, I wonder what would happen if a player blatently handled the ball to stop it from goin it, but the ball fell to another player and he slotted it into the net. Would the player still be sent off for intentional hand ball??

He did though, he stopped the first player from having a goalscoring opportunity. It doesnt matter what subsequently happens, it doesnt change the fact that he committed that offence.

It's never going to happen though. I can't think of a single incident when a player has scored and an opposing player has been sent off for a foul earlier in the move.

I'm not sure whether it's in the laws of the game or whether it's just the spirit of the game but unless it's a violent challenge which is gonna cause damage to the player then you'll either see a goal and no action or a penalty and a red card. Not both.

Whether Spurs would rather have had a penalty and a sending off is another matter but as soon as Bale put that ball in then he made up the ref's mind for him.

Buffalo Soldier wrote:
It's never going to happen though. I can't think of a single incident when a player has scored and an opposing player has been sent off for a foul earlier in the move.

I'm not sure whether it's in the laws of the game or whether it's just the spirit of the game but unless it's a violent challenge which is gonna cause damage to the player then you'll either see a goal and no action or a penalty and a red card. Not both.

Whether Spurs would rather have had a penalty and a sending off is another matter but as soon as Bale put that ball in then he made up the ref's mind for him.

If a player makes a blatent attempt to handle the ball on the line. Is he sent off because he handled it but didnt quite manage to save it and the ball still went in?

Would imagine it is the same principle, the fact that the ball went in does not negate the clear attempt to breach the rules which happened in the run up to the goal.

firstly I thought it was a red challenge, but on the replay it looked like Ade kinda threw himself into cech, Ade started falling long before contact with the goalkeeper.

Buffalo Soldier wrote:

Im_Spartacus wrote:

Dazzacity wrote:
He didnt stop a goal scoring oppotunity though, hence why the ball ended up in the back of the net. To let the goal stand and then give Cech a red card afterwards would have been a bit silly imo. The reason they give reds when a goal isnt scored, but the foul in its self stop a blatant opportunity, is due to the fact the the pen could be missed and so no punishment is given for illigally stopping the goal scoring opportunity.

Saying this, I wonder what would happen if a player blatently handled the ball to stop it from goin it, but the ball fell to another player and he slotted it into the net. Would the player still be sent off for intentional hand ball??

He did though, he stopped the first player from having a goalscoring opportunity. It doesnt matter what subsequently happens, it doesnt change the fact that he committed that offence.

It's never going to happen though. I can't think of a single incident when a player has scored and an opposing player has been sent off for a foul earlier in the move.

I'm not sure whether it's in the laws of the game or whether it's just the spirit of the game but unless it's a violent challenge which is gonna cause damage to the player then you'll either see a goal and no action or a penalty and a red card. Not both.

Whether Spurs would rather have had a penalty and a sending off is another matter but as soon as Bale put that ball in then he made up the ref's mind for him.

it's an interesting point tho...a savvy cheater like Suarez or Asshley Young would have found a way to maximize that for the good of their team. Young monkey face has a lot to learn from the masters. Scoring goals is so overrated.

cheers

Yes he should have walked but i understand why the ref let it go.

Then i'd have sent Bale off for that crappy heart celebration he does.

lets all have a disco wrote:Yes he should have walked but i understand why the ref let it go.

Then i'd have sent Bale off for that crappy heart celebration he does.

he's a teen idol. Gareth Bieber.

I think he should of walked. It was a clear red card offence. It shouldn't matter that Bale tapped in.

Im_Spartacus wrote:

Dazzacity wrote:
He didnt stop a goal scoring oppotunity though, hence why the ball ended up in the back of the net. To let the goal stand and then give Cech a red card afterwards would have been a bit silly imo. The reason they give reds when a goal isnt scored, but the foul in its self stop a blatant opportunity, is due to the fact the the pen could be missed and so no punishment is given for illigally stopping the goal scoring opportunity.

Saying this, I wonder what would happen if a player blatently handled the ball to stop it from goin it, but the ball fell to another player and he slotted it into the net. Would the player still be sent off for intentional hand ball??

He did though, he stopped the first player from having a goalscoring opportunity. It doesnt matter what subsequently happens, it doesnt change the fact that he committed that offence.

Quite often the ref doesn't stop the game after a tackle if there is advantage, hence the advantage rule. Bale scored. Cech denied Ade, but Bale still capitalized. Had Bale not gone for the ball/ scored, things would have been different. Thing is though, Bale scored, therefore the play was rightfully allowed to go on. Had Bale not been there, it was a red and a pen. Regardless of Ade falling into Cech, there was little he could do otherwise. It was clever to tick the ball past Cech and therefore Cech was committed into a foul. Most strikers get a penalty this way. Not because the keeper intentionally fouls him, but because they come in with a challenge and a player ticks the ball away from goal and lets the GK tackle them/leaves their legs and falls over.

To be honest, If the same thing happened with City I would feel really hard done by. The red card and pen is down to the fact that the team is punished whether the pen is missed or not. I can understand the thinking behind that. I think the cards go down to what sort of foul it was. If its a badly timed tackle that stopped a goal scoring opportunity but the ball ended up in the back of the net, the ref would treat it as a normal foul as if it was done in a none threatening area of the pitch. If its a blatant handball, violent conduct etc, the card would still be issued after the goal was scored.

dazby wrote:It's a goal and a yellow. If Bale wasn't there and play had of stopped it would have been a pen and a red.

This man knows his stuff.

Dazzacity wrote:They said about this last night. They said because the goal was scored it then didnt stop a goal scoring opprtunity, so the player stays on. I guess if he would have missed, it would have been brought back for a pen and Cech would have been sent off.

If Bale had missed the goal scoring opportunity, then I still don't think he should have been sent off. Cech didn't stop the goal scoring opportunity, it remained (in the shape of Bale). Bale would have missed the goal scoring opportunity. Penalty and yellow card. The only way he could have been sent off is if Bale was not there.