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Changing Colours

PostPosted: Wed May 09, 2012 1:17 pm
by LookMumImOnMCF.net
Just wondered if anyone saw this piece on Cardiff's possible change of shirt colour and how you feel? Seems that in the pursuit of investiment not much is left sacred, and that now kit colours can be added to the list.

The first hint came with the news that the Cardiff Blues rugby team were heading out of the Cardiff City Stadium and back to the Arms Park. "This… will allow significant branding to take place at Cardiff City Stadium," said the football club in a statement.


"Significant branding"? What did that mean? It became clear over the course of the day just how "significant" that branding may be. After 103 years in blue, Cardiff City are planning to change their home kit to red next season and may ditch the bluebird from their club crest in favour of Wales's national symbol, a red dragon. The sweetener? A rumoured £100m investment from the club's Malaysian investors.


The rumour mill (not that one) has since cranked into gear – some say owner Vincent Tan believes that playing in blue is bad luck, while others whisper Puma already have a prototype red shirt for next season and the club have ordered 26,000 red seats. Those nuggets of speculation may prove to be wide of the mark, but the kit and badge change does indeed seem to be on the cards.


"We were told in no uncertain terms that this was a fait accompli," Cardiff City Supporters Trust chairman Tim Hartley told BBC Wales. "This investment is going to come into the club. We were shown a design of the logo, Cardiff City will be playing in red, they will be wearing a dragon on their chests."


In response the club released a statement that was an object lesson in business-speak. Directors and stakeholders "are in talks to review all operational aspects of the club"; this process is "multifaceted"; any decisions will "include the long term interests of our supporters [and] our community"; the club "appreciate the importance of our history" and "recognise the legitimate interests of the fans, supporters and media"; they want to "ensure our long term success, prosperity and sustainability" and "positively develop the infrastructure of the club". In five paragraphs they use the phrase "going forward" twice.


A quick Twitter straw poll – "Would you be happy for your team to change kit colour in exchange for major investment?" – brought a resounding and near-universal "NO!" from supporters across the board. I'd go along with that entirely – it's symptomatic of the success-at-all-costs culture that pervades modern football. History? Pah! Tradition? Meh! Playing at 12.45pm on a Sunday on your way to a 16th-place finish in the Premier League? Bring it on!


But teams never used to be quite so wedded to their colours – Leeds began wearing white in the 1960s at the instruction of Don Revie, Coventry played in varieties of white and blue before switching to sky blue in 1962, Bournemouth played in all-red until a Milan-inspired manager brought in black stripes in the 1970s, Crystal Palace abandoned their old claret and blue for red and blue stripes in 1973, Graham Taylor is responsible for the introduction of red shorts at Watford. They all had their reasons, whether it be commercial or inspirational, and they all thought it might help bring greater success.


Is the problem the moral behind it, then? Changing kits and crests one thing, doing it for £100m another? Unfortunately it looks like Cardiff fans might have to resign themselves to Vincent Tan's indecent proposal.


http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/foot ... -of-shirts

Suppose the question is not how would you feel if our owners proposed this (seems obvious), but more on how tradition of clubs in general should be upheld?

Re: Changing Colours

PostPosted: Wed May 09, 2012 1:46 pm
by mr_nool
As I said in another thread: I wouldn't be happy with this if I were a Wrexham fan - another Welsh club in the English league system who play in red and have a dragon as their club symbol.

Re: Changing Colours

PostPosted: Wed May 09, 2012 2:18 pm
by Ted Hughes
Vincent Tan, what a fantastic name.

James Bond villain if ever there was one.

Btw, if the choice was going back to watching Steve Lomas or changing colours, it would be with heavy heart but at the end of the day, for me, we could have shirts woven from arse pubes rather than watch that again.

Re: Changing Colours

PostPosted: Wed May 09, 2012 2:35 pm
by spiny
The Welsh can be selective when it comes to history, as seen in rugby. The red Welsh dragon will go down well in South Wales. Bluebirds may have it now but maybe not in the future.

Cardiff have rich investors and a new stadium with potential for expansion. This is South Wales and not England. The Malays see it as an investment.

How the Bristol clubs must envy? Even more so Celtic and Rangers to see Swansea and Cardiff able to access the riches of the Barclays Premier League. It begs the question why we have Welsh clubs in English Leagues with the advent of devolution.

Re: Changing Colours

PostPosted: Wed May 09, 2012 2:41 pm
by Blue Blood
Call me old fashioned but changing colour of home shirts is a deal breaker for me.

All teams have their primary colours woven into their history. How can you put a price on that?

Imagine us changing our colours to red from blue to sell shirts in asia.

Imagine chanting "come on you reds" and singing "red moon"......

How utterly filthy would you feel. It's just not cricket.

Re: Changing Colours

PostPosted: Wed May 09, 2012 2:46 pm
by BlueinBosnia
Ted Hughes wrote:Vincent Tan, what a fantastic name.

James Bond villain if ever there was one.


I've met him in the past, as he part-sponsored an excavation I worked on. Dodgy man, with poor dress sense.

Re: Changing Colours

PostPosted: Wed May 09, 2012 7:44 pm
by Wonderwall
Its not unusual (sorry for the welsh pun). Many teams have changed down the years. Brazil had a white kit with a blue collar as their colours until they lost the world cup final to uruguay in the 1950 final. They then held a competition to design a new national kit. It was won by an 18yr old from uruguay!!! Its been the same ever since.

Re: Changing Colours

PostPosted: Wed May 09, 2012 8:39 pm
by patrickblue
TBH, I don't think it's the same for a national team. For a club side I'm 100% with Blue Blood.

Re: Changing Colours

PostPosted: Wed May 09, 2012 8:48 pm
by Wonderwall
patrickblue wrote:TBH, I don't think it's the same for a national team. For a club side I'm 100% with Blue Blood.


They mentioned it on the radio today and there are lots of clubs who have done it down the years too.

However if it was City.......

Re: Changing Colours

PostPosted: Wed May 09, 2012 9:38 pm
by LookMumImOnMCF.net
Wonderwall wrote:
patrickblue wrote:TBH, I don't think it's the same for a national team. For a club side I'm 100% with Blue Blood.


They mentioned it on the radio today and there are lots of clubs who have done it down the years too.

I think it's partly the reason that struck me. Teams switched for tradition or homage but to chase prospective investment? Is that a viable reason?

I know fans get shafted regularly now, this to me is just the next sacred commodity on the list.

Re: Changing Colours

PostPosted: Wed May 09, 2012 9:49 pm
by Wonderwall
LookMumImOnMCF.net wrote:I think it's partly the reason that struck me. Teams switched for tradition or homage but to chase prospective investment? Is that a viable reason?

I know fans get shafted regularly now, this to me is just the next sacred commodity on the list.


True.... When do the fans stop bending over. To be fair red is more lucky than blue and its ip to us to change that stupid fact

Re: Changing Colours

PostPosted: Thu May 10, 2012 2:29 pm
by Piccsnumberoneblue
I'm still a bit pissed orf about wearing blue shorts this season.
It's not right.
Or white.

Re: Changing Colours

PostPosted: Thu May 10, 2012 2:50 pm
by john68
Piccsnumberoneblue wrote:I'm still a bit pissed orf about wearing blue shorts this season.
It's not right.
Or white.


Wasn't you the one doing all the moaning a few years ago when we dropped those black shirts with the white maltese cross on?
jus askin

Re: Changing Colours

PostPosted: Thu May 10, 2012 2:57 pm
by gillie
john68 wrote:
Piccsnumberoneblue wrote:I'm still a bit pissed orf about wearing blue shorts this season.
It's not right.
Or white.


Wasn't you the one doing all the moaning a few years ago when we dropped those black shirts with the white maltese cross on?
jus askin

The shirt you were the original model for you mean?

Re: Changing Colours

PostPosted: Thu May 10, 2012 3:01 pm
by john68
Huh!!!
Check the MATCHDAY VOLUNTEERS thread....then see who's the TWUNT.....:-)

Re: Changing Colours

PostPosted: Thu May 10, 2012 3:13 pm
by JamieMCFC
Piccsnumberoneblue wrote:I'm still a bit pissed orf about wearing blue shorts this season.
It's not right.
Or white.


Were you pissed the first time or just this time?

Re: Changing Colours

PostPosted: Thu May 10, 2012 3:31 pm
by Piccsnumberoneblue
JamieMCFC wrote:
Piccsnumberoneblue wrote:I'm still a bit pissed orf about wearing blue shorts this season.
It's not right.
Or white.


Were you pissed the first time or just this time?


Both.
More so this time, cos I just put it down to a moment of foolishness when we did in days of yore.

Re: Changing Colours

PostPosted: Thu May 10, 2012 8:33 pm
by Wonderwall
Cardiff fans have won the day, nice one.

Re: Changing Colours

PostPosted: Thu May 10, 2012 10:12 pm
by Beefymcfc
Have we always played n Blue?

Re: Changing Colours

PostPosted: Thu May 10, 2012 10:24 pm
by LookMumImOnMCF.net
Beefymcfc wrote:Have we always played n Blue?

Since the move to City yeah.