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New York City Football Club

PostPosted: Fri Dec 14, 2012 11:50 pm
by AG7
Manchester City (interestingly, not Abu Dhabi United Group) are close to being awarded the Major League Soccer expansion franchise in Queens, New York, for a record $100million. (Bloomberg) - David Beckham also in talks to have an active role!


http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-12-1 ... -team.html

Manchester City Said Near Becoming Owner of MLS Queens Team

Manchester City, the English Premier League team owned by Abu Dhabi’s Sheikh Mansour bin Zayed Al Nahyan, is close to being awarded the Major League Soccer expansion franchise in Queens, New York, for a record $100 million, three people with direct knowledge of the talks said.

The team would be known as the New York City Football Club and has contacted former England national team captain David Beckham about a role, two of the people said. Manchester City will explore other leagues around the world, seeking a way to expand its brand, two of the people said.

Manchester City, which won the Premier League last season, will pay more than two times the previous record for an MLS team, said the people, who requested anonymity because team and stadium contracts aren’t signed.

MLS spokesman Dan Courtemanche said via telephone that the league has held discussions with a number of possible ownership groups and that no expansion agreement has been completed.

“Our discussions remain private,” he said.
Simon Heggie, a spokesman for Manchester City, declined via telephone to comment on the team’s possible MLS ownership.

Paul Swangard, managing director of the Warsaw Sports Marketing Center at the University of Oregon, said in a telephone interview that Manchester City’s involvement with MLS “further validates the strength of the American soccer market to the rest of the world.”

“It shows the league hasn’t plateaued,” he said. “To have it happen now, post-Beckham, is great for the league.”

MLS Commissioner Don Garber said last month that the league was “at the finish line” in negotiations with New York City officials on the league’s plan to build a 25,000-seat home for a new team based in Flushing Meadows Corona Park in Queens, east of Manhattan. Garber said the league was talking to a “wide variety” of potential owners, declining to name them. The park already houses Citi Field, home of Major League Baseball’s New York Mets, and the National Tennis Center, home to the U.S. Open.

The previous high fee for an MLS expansion franchise was $40 million for several teams.
Officials with Manchester City have spoken with representatives of Beckham about having an unspecified role with the team, two of the people said. Manchester City will sell a minority share of the team to local investors, the people said.

Beckham, one of the best-known athletes in the world, capped his MLS playing career this month with a second straight championship as a member of the Los Angeles Galaxy. Beckham declined to say where he would be next season, adding that he would continue to support soccer.

“My commitment to this league, my commitment to this sport and this country will continue to be the same as it was when I came here six years ago,” said Beckham, who won league titles with Manchester United in England and Real Madrid in Spain before joining MLS in 2007.

MLS officials have been working for three years to bring a new team to New York, creating a rivalry with the New York Red Bulls, owned by Austrian energy-drink company Red Bull GmbH. The Red Bulls, whose roster includes Thierry Henry of France and Tim Cahill of Australia, plays in a 25,000-seat stadium in Harrison, New Jersey, about a 20-minute train ride from Wall Street.

“Clearly there’s enough space in New York for two or three teams,” Red Bulls General Manager Jerome de Bontin said in a Bloomberg Television interview on Dec. 10. “It would be terrific to have that competition in New York.”

Flushing Meadows is bordered by the neighborhood of Corona, where Mexicans, Ecuadoreans, Chileans and other Latinos help make up one of New York’s most passionate soccer fan bases.

The soccer stadium would cost $300 million to $350 million and be privately financed. MLS wants to start construction in 2014 and open the venue in 2016.

The last professional soccer team to play in the city was the New York Cosmos of the North American Soccer League, who popularized the game in the U.S. by signing international stars such as Pele of Brazil and Franz Beckenbauer of Germany. The Cosmos, started in 1971, played home games in three city venues, the last one in 1976 at the old Yankee Stadium, before moving to Giants Stadium in East Rutherford, New Jersey.

Manchester City today cut its annual loss in half to 97.9 million pounds ($158 million) from last year, when it reported the largest loss ever in English soccer.

City boosted sales to 231 million pounds in the 12 months ended May 31, 2012, from 153 million pounds in the year-earlier period. The team also benefited from 10.6 million pounds from the sale of players.

The reduction from last year’s record loss of 197.5 million pounds comes as European soccer’s ruling body tries to put financial rules in place to prevent teams from becoming overextended.

City is six points behind 19-time English champion Manchester United in this season’s Premier League standings and was eliminated from European competition after finishing last in its Champions League group.

City has spent more than 500 million pounds on transfer fees and salaries since Mansour bought the team in September 2008.

The team benefited from the start of a record 10-year naming-rights agreement worth more than 300 million pounds with Etihad, Abu Dhabi’s national airline.

Re: New York City Football Club

PostPosted: Sat Dec 15, 2012 1:33 am
by AG7
Oh and MLS registering "cityfc.com" and "cityfc.net" makes a lot more sense now ...

Re: New York City Football Club

PostPosted: Sat Dec 15, 2012 4:21 am
by Dameerto
If this is true, and it is being bought in City's name, then they must view it as another source of future revenue for the club. Kind of taken me by suprise with this one. I'm going to assume the 100m dollars doesn't count towards FFP.

Re: New York City Football Club

PostPosted: Sat Dec 15, 2012 5:06 am
by halnone
I hope this happens. currently I'm a "supporter" of new York red bulls.only because they're my local team. (I despise most things about the club though. the ownership and structure of it is fucking awful in my opinion)

if a new team affiliated with city were to be created in new York, I would definitely become interested.in them.


however my heart will always be with the one and only man city.

Re: New York City Football Club

PostPosted: Sat Dec 15, 2012 5:38 am
by john68
I don't get this....and nobody seems to be asking the relevant question....WHY?

We know that the ADUG Group bought City as a long term investment and eventual vehicle to increase their global profile, so why the need to buy a 2nd vehicle? And does it matter whether City or ADUG are the named owners, at the top, we are one and the same.

...and why would they want to bring "Idiot Spice" on board? He hasn't had a decent thing to say about us since before his voice failed to break.

Re: New York City Football Club

PostPosted: Sat Dec 15, 2012 7:45 am
by Alioune DVToure
john68 wrote:I don't get this....and nobody seems to be asking the relevant question....WHY?

We know that the ADUG Group bought City as a long term investment and eventual vehicle to increase their global profile, so why the need to buy a 2nd vehicle? And does it matter whether City or ADUG are the named owners, at the top, we are one and the same.

...and why would they want to bring "Idiot Spice" on board? He hasn't had a decent thing to say about us since before his voice failed to break.


The involvement of Beckham is the only thing that bothers me, and I hope that's just conjecture.

As for the rest of it, rather than why, why not? They will operate in a parallel universe to City and won't step on our toes.

Re: New York City Football Club

PostPosted: Sat Dec 15, 2012 8:21 am
by john@staustell
john68 wrote:I don't get this....and nobody seems to be asking the relevant question....WHY?

We know that the ADUG Group bought City as a long term investment and eventual vehicle to increase their global profile, so why the need to buy a 2nd vehicle? And does it matter whether City or ADUG are the named owners, at the top, we are one and the same.

...and why would they want to bring "Idiot Spice" on board? He hasn't had a decent thing to say about us since before his voice failed to break.


But it's not ADUG is it? It's City that is buying it (allegedly). Do MLS teams turn in profits? I guess it's part of the massive expansion in revenue and global domination plans, and I must say they haven't done a bad job so far.

But Beckham can fuck right off. It is to be hoped that he was backing a rival bidder and has been done over by City.

Re: New York City Football Club

PostPosted: Sat Dec 15, 2012 8:33 am
by ant london
Certainly makes expanding your brand via "superstores" in the far east look fairly poxy.....I'm all for it

Re: New York City Football Club

PostPosted: Sat Dec 15, 2012 8:54 am
by Ted Hughes
I'm not sure that it is City who are buying this.

The connection is obvious but nowhere have I seen anything that suggests City are buying it; the people who own City are buying it.

Why do it ? For one, whatever the short term holds, plenty of people expect 'soccer' interest in the US to continue expanding. Taking City's interests out of the equation for a moment, HRH bought City as an investment/ promotional vehicle for Abu Dhabi, not as a charity. Here he is brilliantly placed to do the same in a bigger country. He then has sporting influence in Europe & USA.

From City's point of view; this could give us the biggest influence in the US market out of any European team. It could also give us somewhere for our future academy products to get a game, rather than in the reserve team. The current system in Spain, which allows Barca to field a team in their lower leagues, is the single biggest advantage they have over us in youth development.

Remember Frank's 'grobarisation' plans ? Then, after Frank, the 1st thing Khaldoon did was start sending Jim Cassell out looking to build influence academy stuff in other countries (which Hughes got the blame for, just as Marwood is getting shit for nowt now).

Our owners are looking at a global 'project' not just Manchester. If this doesn't come off, they will probably set up academies in the US & do it in China etc instead. (Probably will anyway, as well).

Re: New York City Football Club

PostPosted: Sat Dec 15, 2012 9:02 am
by King Kev
Will my season ticket be valid for NYCFC home games?

Re: New York City Football Club

PostPosted: Sat Dec 15, 2012 9:35 am
by AG7
Not only younger guys to get games but this could become a go to for the older lot easing out of City and could be part of contracts, incentivised in a way that they can end their careers here and a lot of positions to get into, not all can become Patrick Vierra you know and some at that 34-37 age still want to play so I am sure for new signings (older lot) like Snijder or De Rossi the club can justify the high price tag as if and when they slow down, we can ship them to NY and off our books and manage FFP, NYCFC will obviously pay to MCFC for those players, even if in internal accounting but will keep our books healthy and online with FFP ... Also to keep fringe players happy, loan em out for game time. A huge huge advantage going forward vs other big clubs in Europe I think.

On another note, how many 'fans' would NYCFC automatically get for to City connection as a new club and in the long run, all those new Yanks that they attract locally will only become City followers too. Much faster way to increase our global fan base than buying a Chinese or Japanese players every other season and hoping that country will become our fan for that ...

Re: New York City Football Club

PostPosted: Sat Dec 15, 2012 9:35 am
by King Kev
A cynic might suggest that this 'investment' would be a good way to avoid being stung by the FFP rules.

Re: New York City Football Club

PostPosted: Sat Dec 15, 2012 9:36 am
by Green & Blue
Well you can be sure Tim Cahill will score against them when they play the New York Red Bulls.

Re: New York City Football Club

PostPosted: Sat Dec 15, 2012 10:05 am
by Ted Hughes
Just read elsewhere that the club has denied this.

Any involvement, if genuine, will be Abu Dhabi, not MCFC imo.

Re: New York City Football Club

PostPosted: Sat Dec 15, 2012 10:16 am
by Dameerto
john68 wrote:I don't get this....and nobody seems to be asking the relevant question....WHY?

We know that the ADUG Group bought City as a long term investment and eventual vehicle to increase their global profile, so why the need to buy a 2nd vehicle? And does it matter whether City or ADUG are the named owners, at the top, we are one and the same.

...and why would they want to bring "Idiot Spice" on board? He hasn't had a decent thing to say about us since before his voice failed to break.


The flippant answer is because they think it will make money for the club - it looks like it has been part of their US strategy all along (at a guess) - it's another vehicle for the Sheikh to echo the UAE's various messages and more exposure for their sponsors. Assuming it actually makes money then it becomes additional revenue for City as the owners. If it doesn't make money, or if it takes some time to make money, the Sheikh just bankrolls it in the meantime. Re: Beckham, not sure how reliable that info is, but I guess he is "Mr. English MLS" at the moment (some of the figures they've been atributing soley to him for growth of the MLS are rather large). He's still a poxy underwear model though.

Edit: A thought just struck me - indirect sponsorship. Some lucrative deals outside the control of european football authorities from which Man City reap the benefits.

Re: New York City Football Club

PostPosted: Sat Dec 15, 2012 10:30 am
by AG7
And now we have apparently denied any involvement. From MCFC at least ...

http://www.sportinglife.com/football/ne ... mls-rumour

Man City shut down MLS rumour

Manchester City have rejected speculation they are in discussions to buy a new MLS franchise.

City, who on Friday reported annual losses of £97.9million and increased turnover of £231.1million, were said to be on the brink of being awarded a franchise that would be based in the Queens district of New York.

It had been suggested David Beckham had been approached to be part of the scheme, which was to be named New York City Football Club and cost Blues owner Sheikh Mansour £100million.

However, Manchester City officials have today distanced themselves from the talk.

"Manchester City are not buying an MLS club," said City in a short statement.

Sheikh Mansour has used his involvement with City, on which he has now lavished well in excess of £1billion, to raise the profile of Abu Dhabi.

It was suggested an involvement within the MLS would add to the work that has taken place turning City from a mid-ranking Premier League club into last season's champions.

A second MLS franchise in New York is set to be based in Queens, close to the site of Flushing Meadow, which currently hosts the US tennis open.

Re: New York City Football Club

PostPosted: Sat Dec 15, 2012 12:05 pm
by ross.mcfc
King Kev wrote:A cynic might suggest that this 'investment' would be a good way to avoid being stung by the FFP rules.


That was my initial thought as well.

As to the reasons why, Well Barca have a B team that they can blood young players into as a group. I have long argued that the lower divisions in England should be regionalised and include City, United, Everton and Liverpool B sides. But it will never happen in the near future. The MSL is the only place you could start a new side and play them in a decent a standard of football. It is no good sending players out on loan to individual clubs. Sure they may proggress as individuals but not as a group.

I read that the top 10 football shirts sales in the states are all Premiership sides with Real and Barca, it appears the Premiership is more popular in America than the MLS. If you can start a side with players of future Premiership players in the MLS it is a draw to the league and an advantage to City who get to send groups of players out in a league that does not have a big fixture list as well as expanding a global brand. A side that plays in the worlds most famous city linked to the side that won the most famous league in the world is not a bad idea.

Re: New York City Football Club

PostPosted: Sat Dec 15, 2012 12:14 pm
by Chinners
Ted Hughes wrote:Just read elsewhere that the club has denied this.

Any involvement, if genuine, will be Abu Dhabi, not MCFC imo.


Thank feck, I hope thats the case. MCFC need to concentrate on being MCFC and not dabbling in this 'soccer' bollox ... imagin the reaction if it was the rags. Shit like this saddens me tbh...

Re: New York City Football Club

PostPosted: Sat Dec 15, 2012 12:23 pm
by ross.mcfc
Chinners wrote:
Ted Hughes wrote:Just read elsewhere that the club has denied this.

Any involvement, if genuine, will be Abu Dhabi, not MCFC imo.


Thank feck, I hope thats the case. MCFC need to concentrate on being MCFC and not dabbling in this 'soccer' bollox ... imagin the reaction if it was the rags. Shit like this saddens me tbh...


Why are British people so insecure about Americans calling football 'soccer'? I dont think I've ever noticed any other nationality bringing it up. Are we afraid one day they will become good at it?

Re: New York City Football Club

PostPosted: Sat Dec 15, 2012 1:50 pm
by Chinners
Merely because its called football. I personally wouldn't refer F1 as Go-cart racing or Baseball as Rounders for example ... it just annoys me tbh