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Postby King Kev » Sun Feb 10, 2013 7:49 am

I believe our actions in the transfer market over the last 12 months have cost us the league this year;

    Allowing de Jong to leave when he played such an important role for us in recent seasons
    Singing uninspiring players such as Sinclair, Rodwell, Maicon, Garcia and Nastasic (the last 2 seem ok but haven't improved us from last season)
    Allowing van Persie to go to our main rivals. If we had really tried to sign him we could have got him.
    Allowing one of our main strikers to leave the club with no time to replace him.

I know a lot of people blame Mancini entirely and want him replaced, however it seems to me that recently he is being asked to manage our club with one hand tied behind his back.

The club appear to have sat back and rested on their laurels since winning the league when then should be looking at making our squad even stronger to take us to the next level.
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Re: Our Recent Signings, Non-Signings And Sales

Postby Im_Spartacus » Sun Feb 10, 2013 8:40 am

King Kev wrote:I believe our actions in the transfer market over the last 12 months have cost us the league this year;

Allowing de Jong to leave when he played such an important role for us in recent seasons
Singing uninspiring players such as Sinclair, Rodwell, Maicon, Garcia and Nastasic (the last 2 seem ok but haven't improved us from last season)
Allowing van Persie to go to our main rivals. If we had really tried to sign him we could have got him
Allowing one of our main strikers to leave the club with no time to replace him.

I know a lot of people blame Mancini entirely and want him replaced, however it seems to me that recently he is being asked to manage our club with one hand tied behind his back.

The club appear to have sat back and rested on their laurels since winning the league when then should be looking at making our squad even stronger to take us to the next level.


He is simply being asked to manage, and appears to be coming up short.

He wanted to add Van Persie to the league's top scorers. We had 4 front line high profile strikers all of whom contributed last season. I understand fully why we may not have gone balls out to sign him, and the likelihood is he would probably always have signed for the rags regardless. On the sale of Balotelli, we managed adequately with 3 for the bulk of last season and won the league.

He wanted to sign Javi Martinez or DDR, at a significant cost. One moved to one of the top sides in Europe, one stayed put with a new contract and would have been a very expensive short term fix anyway. You cant win em all, and we increasingly cant just keep dishing out monster contracts to sate Mancinis desire to have the best player in every position.

Where it did all go wrong is some stupid cunt sanctioned the signing of Garcia and Rodwell, along with Scott Sinclair instead. None of these were upto the required standard and cost us the best part of £50m. We then also signed another rightback, making that 3 potentially world class right backs. Arguably out of all that lot only Maicon was justified because of the injury situation with Micah, but having said that only if the club knew Richards' injury problems werent straightforward.

The signing of Rodwell and particularly Garcia was totally unjustified. We let De Jong go for 2.5m and replaced him with unproven players, one of whom i assume we used the same doctor we used for the RSC transfer. The reality of all this was, why the fuck not let the clock run down on De Jong and go for free rather than rushing him out the door for a pittance. The money could have been saved for a bash at Wilshere or some other young combative midfielder in the coming summer.

I'm not saying De Jong was the answer to the current problems, he isnt, but the clubs strategy from then,right the way upto selling balotelli and leaving us exposed to the risk of having no striker on the bench is poor, amateur at best and shows a remarkable lack of forethought.

But, despite all this, I expect Mancini was expected to manage with what he had. If you llok at our rivals attack for example, they have 2x £200k a week strikers, then two on a pittance and wingers who contribute to the goalscoring. We had 4 costing, none of whom were on less than £100k, and 2 of whom I bet were approaching Rooney/RvP wages. Its just not sustainable to have that money leaking out of the club on players sitting on the bench moving forwards, so I fully understand the club's move in that direction.

And what he had is good enough to win the last 3 games, provided you MANAGE your resources by means of motivation, teamwork and tactics. Sadly in all 3 games, as with many others this season, mancini's lack of ability to do his basic job, to manage has been cruelly exposed.

Yes, united invested and we didnt, but that investment should not see the title seemingly virtually wrapped up by the second week in February. RVP has 3 more goals to his name than Rooney did at this stage of last season, so I dont buy it that RVP is the difference.....if he wasnt there, Rooney would be bagging them just as consistenly. I refuse to believe that the loss of Adam Johnson and De Jong are the cause of that, and anyone who says it is is trivialising the issue.

I dont know where we go from here, but all signs point to a new manager in the summer - especially as with the new ffp threat, mancinis preferred management style of "buy more players" is simply not gonna happen. Its sad, but maybe we have run our course with Mancini and managers of his ilk
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Re: Our Recent Signings, Non-Signings And Sales

Postby Wooders » Sun Feb 10, 2013 8:48 am

excellent post I'm spartacus - agreed with every point made
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Re: Our Recent Signings, Non-Signings And Sales

Postby sweenyuk » Sun Feb 10, 2013 8:49 am

The only player released in the summer i would have kept was NDJ. He would have been ideal yesterday to steady the defence, but we have just not signed anyone of real quality now for the last 2 windows and have no one ready to progress from the youth team. FFP is going to stop us blowing the market in next window so we need the coaches to do their job and get this team of players performing to their best......
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Re: Our Recent Signings, Non-Signings And Sales

Postby Michael Brookes » Sun Feb 10, 2013 9:55 am

Adam Johnson was a match winner who despite his faults, won us quite a few matches- Also a contribution.

In general though yeah, we had a golden chance to kick on. The warning signs were all there for the second half of last season, we didn't address any and only exacerbated the situations with out ingoing/outgoings
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Re: Our Recent Signings, Non-Signings And Sales

Postby london blue 2 » Sun Feb 10, 2013 9:56 am

Wooders wrote:excellent post I'm spartacus - agreed with every point made

Agreed. Very good post and I agree. I was never a Mancini out man but I'm starting to wonder if his time is up.
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Re: Our Recent Signings, Non-Signings And Sales

Postby Pretty Boy Lee » Sun Feb 10, 2013 10:14 am

I'm Spartacus I think you hit the nails on the head without realizing. None of these issues are the sole reason, but combined they are.

Losing AJ takes away a scoring bench option.
Losing NDJ has probably seen us leak a few goals we might not have.
RVP has scored a few more goals, while Rooney is still there that have seen them cover shoddy defense.
Harts poor form.
Bobby struggling to motivate.
Poor buys overall.
Nasri being ineffective.
Balo same.
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Re: Our Recent Signings, Non-Signings And Sales

Postby Piccsnumberoneblue » Sun Feb 10, 2013 10:19 am

None of it is Bob's fault.
He wanted to keep all the players that it was a mistake to allow to leave.
He wanted all the players he wasn't allowed to have.
And he certainly didn't want any of the signings brought in.
That is obvious.
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Re: Our Recent Signings, Non-Signings And Sales

Postby Peter Doherty (AGAIG) » Sun Feb 10, 2013 10:23 am

I'm_Spartacus, a thoughtful post most of which I agree with (I think what has been exposed in recent games is that both Manicini's over-cautious approach to games comes up short AND that our strikers are firing blanks) but one question remains, who do you replace him with?
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Re: Our Recent Signings, Non-Signings And Sales

Postby King Kev » Sun Feb 10, 2013 10:25 am

I was really hoping that this thread would be about our transfer policy rather than turning into yet another 'Mancini Out' - 'Who Do We Replace Him With' thread.
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Re: Our Recent Signings, Non-Signings And Sales

Postby Im_Spartacus » Sun Feb 10, 2013 10:26 am

Piccsnumberoneblue wrote:None of it is Bob's fault.
He wanted to keep all the players that it was a mistake to allow to leave.
He wanted all the players he wasn't allowed to have.
And he certainly didn't want any of the signings brought in.
That is obvious.


I dont believe he wanted rodwell or sinclair, i'll give you that.

But if the site is going to descend into sarcasm and point scoring between one or two people, we are on the slippery hughes slope again
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Re: Our Recent Signings, Non-Signings And Sales

Postby Beefymcfc » Sun Feb 10, 2013 10:27 am

It's actually 3 windows where we haven't brought in any quality players. Not that I'm saying we needed any in the first but it does say alot about what our priorities have been. We have lost pace and many could see that without quality replacements/upgrades then it was always going to take us backwards.

The biggest thing for me is when you lose individuals such as Big Nige. All those that have played team sports understand that it's not just about a teams individual players, it's also about bonding those players together. That's where the likes of Nige are indispenable. Individuals like him knit the team together, give them motivation and also give them a kick up the arse when needed. I'm sure Doug can back that up with his on-the-spot insight.

Even Mario, that has an effect also. Many players stated they liked having him around and in some ways, you could say that he brought a sense of togetherness to the team in that he was like the naughty little brother that everybody could laugh at, or even hide behind. Once he goes then it causes a change in the group dynamic which can't easily be replaced.

Stick AJ in there, who always seemed to pull something out of the bag for us, and we have lost around 15% of a squad that wasn't replaced. Yes, we brought players in but what we have lost in real terms is much greater than what was replaced.

However, Mancini must have sanctioned these moves (especially in Mario's case) so can have no real complaints. That doesn't mean that we were going to be a better team though, and Mancini knew that. Hazard, RVP, DDR etc would've been great signings that were not to be but just imagine bringing one or two of those names in and where we could be now. Not just for today but for the foreseeable future.
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Re: Our Recent Signings, Non-Signings And Sales

Postby Im_Spartacus » Sun Feb 10, 2013 10:28 am

King Kev wrote:I was really hoping that this thread would be about our transfer policy rather than turning into yet another 'Mancini Out' - 'Who Do We Replace Him With' thread.


If the transfer policy is all about Mancini managing under a reduced wage bill for FFPR, and he is unable to do that, it all really becomes one and the same issue doesnt it?
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Postby Piccsnumberoneblue » Sun Feb 10, 2013 10:45 am

I've never quite understood the economics of the NDJ thing. If we had given him the wages he wanted, it must have been a considerable amount cheaper than a fat transfer fee and wages for Garcia.
Add in that Nige worked for us, and Garcia looks a little poor so far, and it makes even less sense.
Bob didn't seem to want to play him that often and presumably thought a defensive wrecker was easily replaced. Add in that he has been after DDR for time and it all adds up to him not rating De Jong.
Incidentally, does anybody think DDR was the missing piece of the jigsaw and just what we needed? (And that is a genuine question and not sarcastic point scoring.)
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Re: Our Recent Signings, Non-Signings And Sales

Postby Im_Spartacus » Sun Feb 10, 2013 10:51 am

Piccsnumberoneblue wrote:I've never quite understood the economics of the NDJ thing. If we had given him the wages he wanted, it must have been a considerable amount cheaper than a fat transfer fee and wages for Garcia.
Add in that Nige worked for us, and Garcia looks a little poor so far, and it makes even less sense.
Bob didn't seem to want to play him that often and presumably thought a defensive wrecker was easily replaced. Add in that he has been after DDR for time and it all adds up to him not rating De Jong.
Incidentally, does anybody think DDR was the missing piece of the jigsaw and just what we needed? (And that is a genuine question and not sarcastic point scoring.)


I think the ndj thing was as much about who his agent was than anything else. Remember we had lost tevez for 6 months and lost our Chief exec because of that cunts manouverings. This, I believe is the ultimate reason for city not offering a contract

He was also, ultimately one dimensional and we could have done better, but i dont see why we went ahead with the signings we did when we could have just let de jongs contract expire and been no worse off for it
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Re: Our Recent Signings, Non-Signings And Sales

Postby Beefymcfc » Sun Feb 10, 2013 10:53 am

Piccsnumberoneblue wrote:I've never quite understood the economics of the NDJ thing. If we had given him the wages he wanted, it must have been a considerable amount cheaper than a fat transfer fee and wages for Garcia.
Add in that Nige worked for us, and Garcia looks a little poor so far, and it makes even less sense.
Bob didn't seem to want to play him that often and presumably thought a defensive wrecker was easily replaced. Add in that he has been after DDR for time and it all adds up to him not rating De Jong.
Incidentally, does anybody think DDR was the missing piece of the jigsaw and just what we needed? (And that is a genuine question and not sarcastic point scoring.)

I'm not sure if he is one of the missing pieces but he is one fine football player who has got it all. He is a little older but I'm sure there are plenty miles in those legs yet.

If anything, I think DDR would have brought that leadership and authority that we lacked yesterday. We don't just need the likes of Vince pulling the squad together, we need people all over the pitch doing exactly the same.
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Re: Our Recent Signings, Non-Signings And Sales

Postby Peter Doherty (AGAIG) » Sun Feb 10, 2013 10:55 am

Piccsnumberoneblue wrote:I've never quite understood the economics of the NDJ thing. If we had given him the wages he wanted, it must have been a considerable amount cheaper than a fat transfer fee and wages for Garcia.
Add in that Nige worked for us, and Garcia looks a little poor so far, and it makes even less sense.
Bob didn't seem to want to play him that often and presumably thought a defensive wrecker was easily replaced. Add in that he has been after DDR for time and it all adds up to him not rating De Jong.
Incidentally, does anybody think DDR was the missing piece of the jigsaw and just what we needed? (And that is a genuine question and not sarcastic point scoring.)

His inclusion in the team would have meant the ball was rotated much quicker in midfield which would have made us more difficult to contain. However, it wouldn't have compensated for how cack our forwards have been this season.
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Re: Our Recent Signings, Non-Signings And Sales

Postby Mase » Sun Feb 10, 2013 10:56 am

de Jong on the whole played not very well last season (I was going to say shit but he wasn't that bad) yet people have it in their head that he was some world beater. He wasn't.

He refused to sign a new contract and has Kia as his 'representative'.

It's time we got over it now.
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Re: Our Recent Signings, Non-Signings And Sales

Postby King Kev » Sun Feb 10, 2013 11:03 am

Im_Spartacus wrote:
King Kev wrote:I was really hoping that this thread would be about our transfer policy rather than turning into yet another 'Mancini Out' - 'Who Do We Replace Him With' thread.


If the transfer policy is all about Mancini managing under a reduced wage bill for FFPR, and he is unable to do that, it all really becomes one and the same issue doesnt it?

If you believe that Mancini has total and complete control over which players come and go it does.

But I think we all know that isn't the case.

Did Mancini really want Sinclair (he doesn't use wingers) and Rodwell (who is always injured) or were they brought in because they are young and English? Did he really prioritise signing a right-back when we already had Micah and Zab at the club? Was he happy to see Mario go? His interviews and quotes in the press since would suggest that he wasn't.
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Re: Our Recent Signings, Non-Signings And Sales

Postby Ted Hughes » Sun Feb 10, 2013 11:18 am

King Kev wrote:
Im_Spartacus wrote:
King Kev wrote:I was really hoping that this thread would be about our transfer policy rather than turning into yet another 'Mancini Out' - 'Who Do We Replace Him With' thread.


If the transfer policy is all about Mancini managing under a reduced wage bill for FFPR, and he is unable to do that, it all really becomes one and the same issue doesnt it?

If you believe that Mancini has total and complete control over which players come and go it does.

But I think we all know that isn't the case.

Did Mancini really want Sinclair (he doesn't use wingers) and Rodwell (who is always injured) or were they brought in because they are young and English? Did he really prioritise signing a right-back when we already had Micah and Zab at the club? Was he happy to see Mario go? His interviews and quotes in the press since would suggest that he wasn't.


Can we clear this bollocks up once and for all:

Mancini tried to sign Rodwell two fucking years ago. He did his 'it is difficult, he is an Everton player' speech, then when we signed him this time, he said 'we have been following him for a long time'.

How much evidence do you need ? MANCINI SIGNED RODWELL

He signed Sinclair because he is English & there was a space available. We were clearly after someone else, perhaps Walcott, & Sinclair was hanging around on standby, then we couldn't get whoever it was & Mancini Signed Sinclair. We were talking to Garcia in June, probably as backup to DeRossi.

Brian Marwood does not go round forcing Mancini to sign players. Why the fuck would he ? I can totally agree with the concept that Marwood tries to curb his spending, as Txiki has just done, but signing players he knows Mancini won't play ? For what ? In order to get himself fucking fired ? Mancini goes to Khaldoon & says; 'Marwood made me spend £50 mil I didn't want to ?'

I suppose Marwood's long standing connections with Maicon are the reason he forced Mancini to sign him ?

Can we just stop with this nonsense.
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