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It is my opinion that the inept transfer dealing in pre-season cost us the title and any progress in Europe.

We won the title last season and then against our manager’s wishes we simply stood still.

Roberto had a wish list of players that would improve us and got none of them. Instead he ended up with players like Scott Sinclair and Javi Garcia. They were not what we needed. Roberto has not played Sinclair even when we have been desperate, there is no way on this planet he is his signing. Garcia is so slow it is unreal. Brian Marwood has to take most off the responsibility for our calamity of a title defense and Champions League failure this season. One could be forgiven for thinking he had an ulterior motive and deliberately put a spanner in the wheel to stall our development. If we had just got one off RVP. ,De Rossi ,Hazard we would be Champions. Yet he still managed to spend £50,000 000 on a load of shite bar Nastasic. Seriously what were all those signings about ?.The cunt should have been sacked.

We should not make the same mistakes again next season. We should give Roberto Mancini full control off all our future signings incoming and out going. The 2 Spaniards should only negotiate contracts for the players Roberto wants, other than that they should concentrate on the Academy which is producing nothing of note right now, I thought that is why they were brought in to start with ?,they need to pull their fingers out and keep out of all first team affairs, they should have absolutely zero input.I am sick of reading who they want at the helm, Roberto Mancini will be our manager at City for at least the next 5 years, the fans love him .I don't want to keep reading the opinions of these 2 because it matters not.

Roberto Mancini delivered us the title last season, and was unlucky to exit the Champions League with one off the highest point’s totals an eliminated team has ever had. He did it with HIS SIGNINGS, and THE PLAYERS HE WANTED.


The control taken from Roberto Mancini should be returned, we should return to the status quo that enabled Roberto to make us English Champions last season. All these pen pushers should concentrate on pen pushing.

FORZA MANCINI

If ROBERTO MANCINI asks for both Lionel Messi and Conaldo in the summer, our club should get them right?

Clowncrete wrote:If ROBERTO MANCINI asks for both Lionel Messi and Conaldo in the summer, our club should get them right?

Messi wont leave Barcelona,but we are one off the only clubs that could afford him if he did.

i would not want the Rag rent boy in a city shirt regardless off the price.

The point i was making is we should be shopping in Harrods not Aldi.

that is where we went wrong,failure to buy top class players.

It is such a myth that Marwood decided who we would sign. He totally disregarded the wishes of the owner above him and the manager? Are you seriius? Marwood did not make those decisions alone against everynody else's wishes.
Very convenient for the lickers who will no doubt say Nasty was his choice but not the rest. And I don't suppose Mancini wanted Balo, Dzecko or Kolarov?
Open your eyes.

Piccsnumberoneblue wrote:It is such a myth that Marwood decided who we would sign. He totally disregarded the wishes of the owner above him and the manager? Are you seriius? Marwood did not make those decisions alone against everynody else's wishes.
Very convenient for the lickers who will no doubt say Nasty was his choice but not the rest. And I don't suppose Mancini wanted Balo, Dzecko or Kolarov?
Open your eyes.

Who bought Petrov? That's the question.

Piccsnumberoneblue wrote:It is such a myth that Marwood decided who we would sign. He totally disregarded the wishes of the owner above him and the manager? Are you seriius? Marwood did not make those decisions alone against everynody else's wishes.
Very convenient for the lickers who will no doubt say Nasty was his choice but not the rest. And I don't suppose Mancini wanted Balo, Dzecko or Kolarov?
Open your eyes.

Uuuuurgh don't be so idiotic Piccs

None of those who banged on about Marwood being shit and particularly hopeless last summer ever said he chose the bloody players. Clearly there was a list (a tiered list of first, second, third etc choice targets).

That list would obviously have been a collaborative production between manager, coaching and scouting staff, Marwood and the ownership.

The execution of the purchases, however, in terms of negotiating deals:
- in the right manner
- at the right time

WAS Marwood's responsibility

Sure we all know that Khaldoon and Sheikh Mansour would have the ultimate decision but if you have already fucked up the negotiating process to a point where others have the initiative or the only way the club will get the targets is by bending over and taking it then clearly they will probably say no.

Mancini has seen the way deals are done competently elsewhere and has been pretty vocal about who he thinks failed last summer.

I am not a "licker" as I currently don't have much faith in him but last summer's transfer fiasco was the responsibility of the man who, funnily enough, no longer has that responsibility

You do the maths

ant london wrote:
Uuuuurgh don't be so idiotic Piccs

None of those who banged on about Marwood being shit and particularly hopeless last summer ever said he chose the bloody players. Clearly there was a list (a tiered list of first, second, third etc choice targets).

That list would obviously have been a collaborative production between manager, coaching and scouting staff, Marwood and the ownership.

The execution of the purchases, however, in terms of negotiating deals:
- in the right manner
- at the right time

WAS Marwood's responsibility

Sure we all know that Khaldoon and Sheikh Mansour would have the ultimate decision but if you have already fucked up the negotiating process to a point where others have the initiative or the only way the club will get the targets is by bending over and taking it then clearly they will probably say no.

Mancini has seen the way deals are done competently elsewhere and has been pretty vocal about who he thinks failed last summer.

I am not a "licker" as I currently don't have much faith in him but last summer's transfer fiasco was the responsibility of the man who, funnily enough, no longer has that responsibility

You do the maths

Fuck me you talk some sense. Its as if you've actually had a professional job in your lifetime. And understand business. Woo. Hoo. Cunthole.

ant london wrote:
Uuuuurgh don't be so idiotic Piccs

None of those who banged on about Marwood being shit and particularly hopeless last summer ever said he chose the bloody players. Clearly there was a list (a tiered list of first, second, third etc choice targets).

That list would obviously have been a collaborative production between manager, coaching and scouting staff, Marwood and the ownership.

The execution of the purchases, however, in terms of negotiating deals:
- in the right manner
- at the right time

WAS Marwood's responsibility

Sure we all know that Khaldoon and Sheikh Mansour would have the ultimate decision but if you have already fucked up the negotiating process to a point where others have the initiative or the only way the club will get the targets is by bending over and taking it then clearly they will probably say no.

Mancini has seen the way deals are done competently elsewhere and has been pretty vocal about who he thinks failed last summer.

I am not a "licker" as I currently don't have much faith in him but last summer's transfer fiasco was the responsibility of the man who, funnily enough, no longer has that responsibility

You do the maths

But if we are to believe the top targets were:
1: Hazard - It seems pretty clear that there were issues with the agents bung, and if city have a policy of not getting involved in that. Its hardly Marwood's fault that another club did offer the bung.
2: Van Persie - Was always going to go to United. Not once did any noise come from him or his agent about City.
3: Martnez - We arent Bayern Munich just yet

So whilst I think Mancini is right to be pissed at not getting his targets, the reality is that we were never favourites to sign a single one of them for one reason or another, and in two of the cases, the player simply went to a far bigger and more prestigious club, again something Marwood can do very little about especially if the clubs policy has shifted to paying fair wages rather than blowing the opposition out of the water - a phase I believe is well and truly over for city.

Goetze has gone to Bayern btw for £37m - is that now Soriano's fault? Or is it again just a measure of Bayern's allure and the fact that there are other, bigger clubs than us who are clearly just as happy to pay top dollar as we are? All it needs now is Cavani and Falcao to go elsewhere and we are gonna be blaming the current hierachy for Mancini's failings next year.

I'd prefer to just see the manager manage

Im_Spartacus wrote:
But if we are to believe the top targets were:
1: Hazard - It seems pretty clear that there were issues with the agents bung, and if city have a policy of not getting involved in that. Its hardly Marwood's fault that another club did offer the bung.
2: Van Persie - Was always going to go to United. Not once did any noise come from him or his agent about City.
3: Martnez - We arent Bayern Munich just yet

So whilst I think Mancini is right to be pissed at not getting his targets, the reality is that we were never favourites to sign a single one of them for one reason or another, and in two of the cases, the player simply went to a far bigger and more prestigious club, again something Marwood can do very little about especially if the clubs policy has shifted to paying fair wages rather than blowing the opposition out of the water - a phase I believe is well and truly over for city.

Goetze has gone to Bayern btw for £37m - is that now Soriano's fault? Or is it again just a measure of Bayern's allure and the fact that there are other, bigger clubs than us who are clearly just as happy to pay top dollar as we are? All it needs now is Cavani and Falcao to go elsewhere and we are gonna be blaming the current hierachy for Mancini's failings next year.

I'd prefer to just see the manager manage

I'd prefer to see the manager manage as well.

The Bayern excuse is bullshit imho.

My biggest beef with transfers is we for the past two seasons have only seemed to want players at the peak of their price tag.

Why do we go for the "just become a big name" and never find a "just about to become a big name"

Nasri, Sanchez, hazard, RVP, de Rossi (had he moved), Ronaldo ( if he moves), Martinez etc are all players that won't see this sale price be repeated on their next move in my opinion.

I'm a huge fan of Mancini and would love to blame it all on someone else, but sadly Mancini has to shoulder his share of the blame - baffling tactics and substitutions, coupled with a blind stubborn failure over Mario, motivation? (Dzeko & Nasri - who do you blame? player / manager) and signings like Maicon who stank of Mancini all over. That isn't to say I want him to go, I'd rather see us next season without the lack of signings being an excuse & then I'll make my decision

ant london wrote:
Uuuuurgh don't be so idiotic Piccs

None of those who banged on about Marwood being shit and particularly hopeless last summer ever said he chose the bloody players. Clearly there was a list (a tiered list of first, second, third etc choice targets).

That list would obviously have been a collaborative production between manager, coaching and scouting staff, Marwood and the ownership.

The execution of the purchases, however, in terms of negotiating deals:
- in the right manner
- at the right time

WAS Marwood's responsibility

Sure we all know that Khaldoon and Sheikh Mansour would have the ultimate decision but if you have already fucked up the negotiating process to a point where others have the initiative or the only way the club will get the targets is by bending over and taking it then clearly they will probably say no.

Mancini has seen the way deals are done competently elsewhere and has been pretty vocal about who he thinks failed last summer.

I am not a "licker" as I currently don't have much faith in him but last summer's transfer fiasco was the responsibility of the man who, funnily enough, no longer has that responsibility

You do the maths

Good post mate

zabbadabbado wrote:

Clowncrete wrote:If ROBERTO MANCINI asks for both Lionel Messi and Conaldo in the summer, our club should get them right?

Messi wont leave Barcelona,but we are one off the only clubs that could afford him if he did.

i would not want the Rag rent boy in a city shirt regardless off the price.

The point i was making is we should be shopping in Harrods not Aldi.

that is where we went wrong,failure to buy top class players.

You didn't get it did you? None of Hazard, Rvp, De Rossi were realistic to be honest.

And it is pretty obvious that the club is trying to meet the crooked ffp. No longer can we splash $150 million every season.

I'd be happy to see the back of Kolarov (lazy meathead),Dzeko (sad to say),Sinclair,Maicon (why oh why).

I'd also like Gaz Baz on another year deal and Lescott can leave if a good offer comes in it seems Kolo is off,Bridge and Cruz are off the books but i'd give Kolo another year on less wages.

Lets just hope we have a plan for this summer and stick to it,not Marwood slinging his dick around at 2am and see what bites.

zabbadabbado wrote:It is my opinion that the inept transfer dealing in pre-season cost us the title and any progress in Europe.

We won the title last season and then against our manager’s wishes we simply stood still.

Roberto had a wish list of players that would improve us and got none of them. Instead he ended up with players like Scott Sinclair and Javi Garcia. They were not what we needed. Roberto has not played Sinclair even when we have been desperate, there is no way on this planet he is his signing. Garcia is so slow it is unreal. Brian Marwood has to take most off the responsibility for our calamity of a title defense and Champions League failure this season. One could be forgiven for thinking he had an ulterior motive and deliberately put a spanner in the wheel to stall our development. If we had just got one off RVP. ,De Rossi ,Hazard we would be Champions. Yet he still managed to spend £50,000 000 on a load of shite bar Nastasic. Seriously what were all those signings about ?.The cunt should have been sacked.

We should not make the same mistakes again next season. We should give Roberto Mancini full control off all our future signings incoming and out going. The 2 Spaniards should only negotiate contracts for the players Roberto wants, other than that they should concentrate on the Academy which is producing nothing of note right now, I thought that is why they were brought in to start with ?,they need to pull their fingers out and keep out of all first team affairs, they should have absolutely zero input.I am sick of reading who they want at the helm, Roberto Mancini will be our manager at City for at least the next 5 years, the fans love him .I don't want to keep reading the opinions of these 2 because it matters not.

Roberto Mancini delivered us the title last season, and was unlucky to exit the Champions League with one off the highest point’s totals an eliminated team has ever had. He did it with HIS SIGNINGS, and THE PLAYERS HE WANTED.


The control taken from Roberto Mancini should be returned, we should return to the status quo that enabled Roberto to make us English Champions last season. All these pen pushers should concentrate on pen pushing.

FORZA MANCINI

But he hasn't been.Wonder why maybe he is doing a good job

Whoever is in charge of signings, they need to be acting now so we don't fall face the same problems as last year.
Sort everything out early. Give the us the fans something to really smile about and be excited about rather than stressing over the lack of quality being brought in.

ant london wrote:

Piccsnumberoneblue wrote:It is such a myth that Marwood decided who we would sign. He totally disregarded the wishes of the owner above him and the manager? Are you seriius? Marwood did not make those decisions alone against everynody else's wishes.
Very convenient for the lickers who will no doubt say Nasty was his choice but not the rest. And I don't suppose Mancini wanted Balo, Dzecko or Kolarov?
Open your eyes.

Uuuuurgh don't be so idiotic Piccs

None of those who banged on about Marwood being shit and particularly hopeless last summer ever said he chose the bloody players. Clearly there was a list (a tiered list of first, second, third etc choice targets).

That list would obviously have been a collaborative production between manager, coaching and scouting staff, Marwood and the ownership.

The execution of the purchases, however, in terms of negotiating deals:
- in the right manner
- at the right time

WAS Marwood's responsibility

Sure we all know that Khaldoon and Sheikh Mansour would have the ultimate decision but if you have already fucked up the negotiating process to a point where others have the initiative or the only way the club will get the targets is by bending over and taking it then clearly they will probably say no.

Mancini has seen the way deals are done competently elsewhere and has been pretty vocal about who he thinks failed last summer.

I am not a "licker" as I currently don't have much faith in him but last summer's transfer fiasco was the responsibility of the man who, funnily enough, no longer has that responsibility

You do the maths

So although Marwood could theoretically take the blame for not getting the first choices (although the club wouldn't pay an agent's fee for Hazard, not him), Mancini was happy with the players on the list? In which case, why's he done nothing but moan about them all season?

Something in all of this doesn't add up. If Mancini is now just a coach and gets given players to coach by the sporting director (a model I suspect we'll go to), in which case, why does he keep moaning about players he got, mentioning players he wants and is still called the manager? Or he is still a manager, and whilst he may not have got his first choices, he did get his second or third, in which case, he has to take some (a lot) of the responsibility.

This isn't a go at Mancini or Marwood, but something from last summer doesn't make sense. There was a lack of direction or something, yet we still spent £50m on players we generally don't want. We don't necessarily need to got out and buy someone's FIFA13 dream team, but we do need to do a better job this summer.

I don't blame any individual for our summer transfer dealings, it was a collective failure. Trust me when I say, it won't happen again.

Get the business done quick this time. No excuses. Give bacon something to think about over the summer.

Pretty Boy Lee wrote:My biggest beef with transfers is we for the past two seasons have only seemed to want players at the peak of their price tag.

Why do we go for the "just become a big name" and never find a "just about to become a big name"

Nasri, Sanchez, hazard, RVP, de Rossi (had he moved), Ronaldo ( if he moves), Martinez etc are all players that won't see this sale price be repeated on their next move in my opinion.

Damn fine point. The problem is everybody else is thinking the same thing.

But if we can identify three or four hungry 22 year olds, who can add something to the team I would be more than happy. After all Hart, Kompany, and Zabba (and De Jong) didn't cost the earth and have done us proud.