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Not just today but a few performances this season ... the Saints game, the Wigan at home etc (over the past few months) where we have played absolute shite while a few days later or earlier the same players were unplayable and we have won comfortably ...

Someone mentioned in the game thread our players never really publicly backing Mancini like other teams do at times ... maybe they are just fed up with his stubbornness and we all know his man-management and ability to motivate his players or even putting an arm around their shoulder is zero ... the only conclusion I can reach is something's definitely not right between the players (at least some of em) and Bob, and it has shown this season way too many times to be a one-off off-day.

Komps tweeted this right after the game (and too soon after the game I must add, he probably wouldn't even have taken off his shirt inside the dressing room):

@VincentKompany: Congratulations Wigan with their FA Cup victory. [b]There are many reasons why they deserved the win more than we did.[\b]

Tell me I am over thinking this trying to justify the fuck up I witnessed today ...

You are over thinking it. I can't believe players would protest during a cup final. You protest during end of season insignificant league games

Not a chance the players would throw a game such as this. This wasn't any old game, this was a cup final.

I don't think they 'threw' the game at all, but of course something is very wrong behind the scenes.

More likely they have been overcoached and its failed.

I honestly believe that our players might not like Mancini but that they respect him. I cant see them doing it deliberately. No player worth his boots wants to lose a football match.

Lee_R wrote:More likely they have been overcoached and its failed.

I honestly believe that our players might not like Mancini but that they respect him. I cant see them doing it deliberately. No player worth his boots wants to lose a football match.

I think it came down to tactics. They learnt from the previous game against us and we didn't.
Our players didn't have time on the ball and didn't know how to cope.
Boss didn't change anything tactically so we looked lost and bad.
The fact is we were outplayed and out thought.

AG7 wrote:Not just today but a few performances this season ... the Saints game, the Wigan at home etc (over the past few months) where we have played absolute shite while a few days later or earlier the same players were unplayable and we have won comfortably ...

Someone mentioned in the game thread our players never really publicly backing Mancini like other teams do at times ... maybe they are just fed up with his stubbornness and we all know his man-management and ability to motivate his players or even putting an arm around their shoulder is zero ... the only conclusion I can reach is something's definitely not right between the players (at least some of em) and Bob, and it has shown this season way too many times to be a one-off off-day.

Komps tweeted this right after the game (and too soon after the game I must add, he probably wouldn't even have taken off his shirt inside the dressing room):

@VincentKompany: Congratulations Wigan with their FA Cup victory. There are many reasons why they deserved the win more than we did.[\b]

Tell me I am over thinking this trying to justify the fuck up I witnessed today ...

I think it's time to look forward to the next game

Jesus christ it is like this every time we lose a game, maybe it is a conspiracy wrapped inside an enigma double wrapped inside another conspiracy ? Or maybe we just lost to a better side on the day, who play good football.I was at the wigan at home game, they should have been 3 up at half time, they play good football,

Seems all like bullshit so the op could create a new thread. The players might have been shit some games but that they purposely lost to get Mancini sacked is all bolloxs

MilnersJaw wrote:Seems all like bullshit so the op could create a new thread. The players might have been shit some games but that they purposely lost to get Mancini sacked is all bolloxs

I think some of the outters were doing a jig around their living rooms at the final whistle yesterda.

Bluez wrote:You are over thinking it. I can't believe players would protest during a cup final. You protest during end of season insignificant league games

You protest when attending a meaningless end of season fund raising tour

There was no protest.

We just didn't do enough to win. Perhaps they thought they would win without really trying. Either way, just wasn't good enough.

Risby wrote:There was no protest.

We just didn't do enough to win. Perhaps they thought they would win without really trying. Either way, just wasn't good enough.

I agree talk of a protest is nonsense but why why why did we go out in a cup final and perform like that? From the off it was all wrong.We played without energy the whole game and , bar the odd moment,made little or no impression on Wigan but it didn't seem to matter.

You could say the players should be all fired up for the game but equally you would expect the manager and the coaching staff to have them all fired up.

Did anyone see Lescott on Goals on Sunday.He had the chance to be very positive when asked about Mancini but he couldn't find a way to do it.He was trying not to be negative but struggled and left you with the feeling that all isn't well in the camp towards Mancini.He also s aid the game against Wigan at home recently was a tough game and then added but they changed their system for the final.The way he said it sounded like we had been taken by surprise at their change and didn't know how to handle it.

That's how I heard it anyway and it didn't sound positive at all.

Douglas Higginbottom wrote:
I agree talk of a protest is nonsense but why why why did we go out in a cup final and perform like that? From the off it was all wrong.We played without energy the whole game and , bar the odd moment,made little or no impression on Wigan but it didn't seem to matter.

You could say the players should be all fired up for the game but equally you would expect the manager and the coaching staff to have them all fired up.

Did anyone see Lescott on Goals on Sunday.He had the chance to be very positive when asked about Mancini but he couldn't find a way to do it.He was trying not to be negative but struggled and left you with the feeling that all isn't well in the camp towards Mancini.He also s aid the game against Wigan at home recently was a tough game and then added but they changed their system for the final.The way he said it sounded like we had been taken by surprise at their change and didn't know how to handle it.

That's how I heard it anyway and it didn't sound positive at all.

Nothing makes sense at the moment. I no longer know what is true or what is to be believed.
The reason we lost was purely down to Wigan taking their chance and us not being good enough on the day. You can point the finger at the players, the manager or the people sharing all these rumours, but it won't change the result.
The latter though, I don't think could cause the players to play so badly.

Rifts in camp and players not playing together for the manager and the club stinks and can cause tension in play.

Whatever the reason, it needs to be sorted quickly and sorted better than how it's being dealt with right now. The club need to say something about Mancini's future now rather than leave it to the media to make matters worse.

Come on city, we all love you, but lets start playing and operating in the correct manner.

Right I've been going to City since the early 70s and believe you me I have seen some shite home and away and I promise you I never want to see Colchester ever again.

The difference between our supporters and the vast majority of the rags is that we stick our chins out when times are hard or things go tits up and muscle on and don't sod off back to Surrey and buy a Barca shirt or whoever is flavour of the month.

So would some of you youngsters on here please listen to us grown ups. We are City. We go up we go down. It will ever be thus no matter who the manager is our no matter how much dosh we have. This is our birthright. We have no choice.

Get a fucking grip of yourselves, or as one man far more eloquent than I once wrote "if you can meet with triumph and disaster and treat those two impostors just the same......"

It is undeniable that Mancini clashed with many of our players. However I do not think any of our players, "threw the cup yesterday."

I still like Mancini and he has brought us success I never thought would be possible, but his inability to manage the players and motivate them correctly has been less than perfect.

I wonder if some of the players earmarked for leaving or the club would reconsider with a new manager at the helm?

Douglas Higginbottom wrote:

Risby wrote:There was no protest.

We just didn't do enough to win. Perhaps they thought they would win without really trying. Either way, just wasn't good enough.

I agree talk of a protest is nonsense but why why why did we go out in a cup final and perform like that? From the off it was all wrong.We played without energy the whole game and , bar the odd moment,made little or no impression on Wigan but it didn't seem to matter.

You could say the players should be all fired up for the game but equally you would expect the manager and the coaching staff to have them all fired up.

Did anyone see Lescott on Goals on Sunday.He had the chance to be very positive when asked about Mancini but he couldn't find a way to do it.He was trying not to be negative but struggled and left you with the feeling that all isn't well in the camp towards Mancini.He also s aid the game against Wigan at home recently was a tough game and then added but they changed their system for the final.The way he said it sounded like we had been taken by surprise at their change and didn't know how to handle it.

That's how I heard it anyway and it didn't sound positive at all.

I saw that too (Lescott on Goals on Sunday) ... he was looking down when they asked about if players like Mancini or prefer his style of management ... and then went on to say how he thinks sometimes the manager should talk to players. He also said manager talks to them through Kompany and when he has something to say to them, he tells Vinny who then conveys it to us ... really? That doesn't sound too good.

The 'mutiny' or 'protest' per say doesn't have to be a conscious effort on every one's part. Its simply that the manager has lost the players in his dressing room and they are all just not motivated to really follow a plan (was there even a plan?) ... That was ridiculous when he said oh, Wigan played 3 at the back at our home game last week so we prepared for that and this time well, they changed their shape ... hunh?? (Given Wigan's whole team cost £11m vs. Barry alone's cost was £12m), this was unacceptable explanation. Even if the manager didn't plan, the players of this caliber couldn't cope with that? There definitely was something wrong and you could tell by the whole Lescott appearance that he wasn't saying it all ...

You must pardon me, AG7, but this mutiny theory is a joke, a respectable joke in the heat of the moment, a joke which I also got caught and wondered after the last season misery at the Emirates, but a utter laughable joke nonetheless.

Players, particularly top players, are professionals who mainly care of two main things only: winning top prizes and earning huge money, in different order, depending from one to another.

Players are also people who, almost ridiculously, earns ten times a brain surgeon or a top lawyer, at worse, so that, first and foremost should work hard and shoulder their responsibility.

I have plenty of respect for a winner like Lescott, who may well and rightly be sad at not playing every game, despite being one of if not the best CB of the Country, and wondering if it may put his position on the National Team at risk. But that's the way it goes at big Clubs nowadays, particularly for roles which are sensible to consistency at playing, and therefore more difficult to be subject to regular rotation.

I think that not many players had found in love with Taggart during the last two decades, and if I am not mistaken Slur himself have never considered an important task of management to french kissing his players, but that have not prevented Manure to win shitloads of prizes and his players to recognize him as a very respected leader.

My take is still the same, we are a side still on the learning process to become a dominant force, and the below par performance from many key players this season, is nothing different from what already happened at many other Clubs whereas the winning mentality was not well established yet-

No mutiny, just inability to cope with a very demanding and too rapidly established reputation.

AG7 wrote:
I saw that too (Lescott on Goals on Sunday) ... he was looking down when they asked about if players like Mancini or prefer his style of management ... and then went on to say how he thinks sometimes the manager should talk to players. He also said manager talks to them through Kompany and when he has something to say to them, he tells Vinny who then conveys it to us ... really? That doesn't sound too good.

The 'mutiny' or 'protest' per say doesn't have to be a conscious effort on every one's part. Its simply that the manager has lost the players in his dressing room and they are all just not motivated to really follow a plan (was there even a plan?) ... That was ridiculous when he said oh, Wigan played 3 at the back at our home game last week so we prepared for that and this time well, they changed their shape ... hunh?? (Given Wigan's whole team cost £11m vs. Barry alone's cost was £12m), this was unacceptable explanation. Even if the manager didn't plan, the players of this caliber couldn't cope with that? There definitely was something wrong and you could tell by the whole Lescott appearance that he wasn't saying it all ...

Wtf has changing their shape got to do with cost?

Strange

Its plain for all to see that he distancea himself from players, this has been evident time and time again. I have often questioned this as surely part of good man management is to have a bond with the team that play for you. Key word being... Team. Not saying he should be rimming them but more often than not he's been the first to critisize players and not seen as much highlighting the good within them. Kompany has not looked as happy most of his season but he wont if he his being a middle man for Mancini's instruction. Sure part of being a captain but it wont always place Komps in the most pleasant of situations. I also wonder if some of that stems back to Mario.

Dont think the mutiny will maybe come from the players but not sure if he's done himself any favours.