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As per the Romanian media, Pantilimon is very close to joining the newly promoted Hull City and a fee has already been agreed ... fantastic move for him if it goes through ... but we'd be out of second and third choice keepers.

After the Chelsea US friendlies I really hope Wright takes retirement himself now, and we bring in someone who really challenges Joe to keep him on his toes.

bring in the young german kid, ter-stegen or something like that ... or the other one, Leno. Seriously push Joe to the limits

kinkylola wrote:bring in the young german kid, ter-stegen or something like that ... or the other one, Leno. Seriously push Joe to the limits

I saw Leno vs the Spanish U21's the other day, he had an absolute shocker, i'd pass on that. Ter Stegen is a good shout though but he will demand to be number 1.

Lets just go for an older established keeper of a high level if Panti leaves... Julio Cesar perhaps??

Good luck to panti btw, If true its a good move for him and us.

From what i know, this was 2 or 3 weeks ago, but he declined the offer.

I"ve heard his agent on tv saying that a move from City to Hull will be a step back for him. Imho, he is playing the Fiorentina card.

On the other hand, today i saw something about Chiriches, the defender and City trying to bring him in. Steaua has huge problems and will be banned from Europe and they will sell their best players. The fucker is good, but he will want to play and he is on Vinnie"s position.

Costel to Hull would be awful because he'd be sure to keep us shut out when we play them (I'm not convinced he ain't better than Joe) but Costel to Hull on loan with a call-back arrangement would be perfect. I do so hope it's the latter.

Herb wrote:Costel to Hull would be awful because he'd be sure to keep us shut out when we play them (I'm not convinced he ain't better than Joe) but Costel to Hull on loan with a call-back arrangement would be perfect. I do so hope it's the latter.

you think he might be better than Joe Hart, the three-time defending gold glove winning goalie?

interesting.

Herb wrote:Costel to Hull would be awful because he'd be sure to keep us shut out when we play them (I'm not convinced he ain't better than Joe) but Costel to Hull on loan with a call-back arrangement would be perfect. I do so hope it's the latter.

What's the point of sending him on a loan and keeping him on the wage-bill?

[quote="AG7"]As per the Romanian media, Pantilimon is very close to joining the newly promoted Hull City and a fee has already been agreed ... fantastic move for him if it goes through ... but we'd be out of second and third choice keepers.

[highlight]After the Chelsea US friendlies I really hope Wright takes retirement himself now, and we bring in someone who really challenges Joe to keep him on his toes.[/[/highlight]quote]

I agree on Wright, but I would like to see us bring in a very competent older keeper as a backup. Bring back Given? How about Brad Friedel? I believe he has is coaching badge(s) would be a natural move as a #2 who could push Hart and eventually work with younger keepers.

Pants can do better than poxy Hull FFS!

Liverpool could do far worse should Reina go to Barca, or if rumours are true, Scouse want Mignolet as his replacement then Sunderland would be a better shout than Hull, who will only be here for one season IMO.

Herb wrote:Costel to Hull would be awful because he'd be sure to keep us shut out when we play them (I'm not convinced he ain't better than Joe) but Costel to Hull on loan with a call-back arrangement would be perfect. I do so hope it's the latter.

You can't recall players that are on loan. The only exception to this is due to injuries.

JamieMCFC wrote:

Herb wrote:Costel to Hull would be awful because he'd be sure to keep us shut out when we play them (I'm not convinced he ain't better than Joe) but Costel to Hull on loan with a call-back arrangement would be perfect. I do so hope it's the latter.

You can't recall players that are on loan. The only exception to this is due to injuries.

depends on the loan agreement doesn't it, and they can have a recall clause.
We failed to put one in when Joe was out on loan and Shay got injured, hence Marton Fulop.
But loanees are often recalled. Just can't think of a quick example

Alex Sapphire wrote:

JamieMCFC wrote:

Herb wrote:Costel to Hull would be awful because he'd be sure to keep us shut out when we play them (I'm not convinced he ain't better than Joe) but Costel to Hull on loan with a call-back arrangement would be perfect. I do so hope it's the latter.

You can't recall players that are on loan. The only exception to this is due to injuries.

depends on the loan agreement doesn't it, and they can have a recall clause.
We failed to put one in when Joe was out on loan and Shay got injured, hence Marton Fulop.
But loanees are often recalled. Just can't think of a quick example

I thought that had changed and was now either whole or half season i.e. back in January, certainly for premier loans I thought? May not apply to inter league i.e. prem to championships or vice versa?

CTID Hants wrote:

Alex Sapphire wrote:

JamieMCFC wrote:

Herb wrote:Costel to Hull would be awful because he'd be sure to keep us shut out when we play them (I'm not convinced he ain't better than Joe) but Costel to Hull on loan with a call-back arrangement would be perfect. I do so hope it's the latter.

You can't recall players that are on loan. The only exception to this is due to injuries.

depends on the loan agreement doesn't it, and they can have a recall clause.
We failed to put one in when Joe was out on loan and Shay got injured, hence Marton Fulop.
But loanees are often recalled. Just can't think of a quick example

I thought that had changed and was now either whole or half season i.e. back in January, certainly for premier loans I thought? May not apply to inter league i.e. prem to championships or vice versa?

I tried to do a Google search for it but couldn't find anything to back up my statement. I just remember reading it somewhere. But here is a quote I found from Wenger talking about it.

"It is difficult at the moment. Ramsey is out on loan for one month. If it is a month you have to wait for the month unless we have exceptional injuries, then you can have the request [to recall a player]. But Ramsey needs games so even if you recall him he needs first games before he plays."

DoomMerchant wrote:

Herb wrote:Costel to Hull would be awful because he'd be sure to keep us shut out when we play them (I'm not convinced he ain't better than Joe) but Costel to Hull on loan with a call-back arrangement would be perfect. I do so hope it's the latter.

you think he might be better than Joe Hart, the three-time defending gold glove winning goalie?

interesting.

There's no obligation for anyone to agree with me but, yes, I think that he might be if given the chance to prove himself.

The golden glove thing is bollox because the clean sheet record relies on the defence as much as if not more than the goalie. Our defence has been superb and I think that Costel (or any number of other international class goalies) would've got the GG's last season if he'd been in goal for us throughout.
He's certainly better at defending set pieces than Joe is, he dominates his box better than Joe does and his distribution is faster and more accurate than Joe's. Joe's a superb shot-stopper on his day but Costel might prove as good in that area too if we could have got to see him have a proper run of games.

There's no denying that Joe can be fantastic but, as last season proves, he can also be not so good too. There were so many games where we had a rake of shots brilliantly saved by the opposition goalie only for Joe to fail to anticipate or fumble one to concede a goal from only a few attempts at our end.
If Joe can get back to the form he had in our championship winning season then that's magic because we can't afford to have like he was last season despite the GG's being sat on his mantlepiece.

Herb wrote:

DoomMerchant wrote:

Herb wrote:Costel to Hull would be awful because he'd be sure to keep us shut out when we play them (I'm not convinced he ain't better than Joe) but Costel to Hull on loan with a call-back arrangement would be perfect. I do so hope it's the latter.

you think he might be better than Joe Hart, the three-time defending gold glove winning goalie?

interesting.

There's no obligation for anyone to agree with me but, yes, I think that he might be if given the chance to prove himself.

The golden glove thing is bollox because the clean sheet record relies on the defence as much as if not more than the goalie. Our defence has been superb and I think that Costel (or any number of other international class goalies) would've got the GG's last season if he'd been in goal for us throughout.
He's certainly better at defending set pieces than Joe is, he dominates his box better than Joe does and his distribution is faster and more accurate than Joe's. Joe's a superb shot-stopper on his day but Costel might prove as good in that area too if we could have got to see him have a proper run of games.

There's no denying that Joe can be fantastic but, as last season proves, he can also be not so good too. There were so many games where we had a rake of shots brilliantly saved by the opposition goalie only for Joe to fail to anticipate or fumble one to concede a goal from only a few attempts at our end.
If Joe can get back to the form he had in our championship winning season then that's magic because we can't afford to have like he was last season despite the GG's being sat on his mantlepiece.

No obligation, Herb, but I think you're spot on with your analysis.

Whenever he's played for us, I don't think Costel has done much wrong, but he's done an awful lot that is right.

Herb wrote:

DoomMerchant wrote:

Herb wrote:Costel to Hull would be awful because he'd be sure to keep us shut out when we play them (I'm not convinced he ain't better than Joe) but Costel to Hull on loan with a call-back arrangement would be perfect. I do so hope it's the latter.

you think he might be better than Joe Hart, the three-time defending gold glove winning goalie?

interesting.

There's no obligation for anyone to agree with me but, yes, I think that he might be if given the chance to prove himself.

The golden glove thing is bollox because the clean sheet record relies on the defence as much as if not more than the goalie. Our defence has been superb and I think that Costel (or any number of other international class goalies) would've got the GG's last season if he'd been in goal for us throughout.
He's certainly better at defending set pieces than Joe is, he dominates his box better than Joe does and his distribution is faster and more accurate than Joe's. Joe's a superb shot-stopper on his day but Costel might prove as good in that area too if we could have got to see him have a proper run of games.

There's no denying that Joe can be fantastic but, as last season proves, he can also be not so good too. There were so many games where we had a rake of shots brilliantly saved by the opposition goalie only for Joe to fail to anticipate or fumble one to concede a goal from only a few attempts at our end.
If Joe can get back to the form he had in our championship winning season then that's magic because we can't afford to have like he was last season despite the GG's being sat on his mantlepiece.

a little piece of me dies inside every time i read "goalie"...

Weaver = free agent. Get him back for FA & LC games as second choice, the rest third. Also, (I think) club trained, which would sort out 3rd choice keeper probs for CL squad. Everyone who was there/watching on TV 99 would love it.

BB says Wright's signed on for another year, which kind of dashes the dream a bit...

Sideshow Bob wrote:
a little piece of me dies inside every time i read "goalie"...

Sorry 'bout that. . . give me your preferred term for the bloke keeping net and I'll go back and edit to resurrect those little pieces - can't have my clumsy terminology causing unintended grief can we now eh? :-)

No, I know what you mean but it was always 'goalie' amongst the kids when I was growing up so it sounds right to me.

Herb wrote:
Sorry 'bout that. . . give me your preferred term for the bloke keeping net and I'll go back and edit to resurrect those little pieces - can't have my clumsy terminology causing unintended grief can we now eh? :-)

No, I know what you mean but it was always 'goalie' amongst the kids when I was growing up so it sounds right to me.

It's always been keeper to me, but I don't lose any soul over it.

Pretty Boy Lee wrote:
It's always been keeper to me, but I don't lose any soul over it.

Surprised we havent had goaltender put forward yet