City's oldest living player dies
Posted: Tue Jul 16, 2013 10:10 amRIP George Smith 1921-2013.
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Posted: Tue Jul 16, 2013 10:10 amRe: City's oldest living player dies
Posted: Tue Jul 16, 2013 10:11 amRIP George.
Re: City's oldest living player dies
Posted: Tue Jul 16, 2013 10:20 amRIP
I think its only appropriate that our oldest living fan says a few words...
Over to you John68
I think its only appropriate that our oldest living fan says a few words...
Over to you John68
Re: City's oldest living player dies
Posted: Tue Jul 16, 2013 10:20 amYes, 92-years-old. Bert Trautmann said some nice things about him in today's MuEN. God bless, George.
Re: City's oldest living player dies
Posted: Tue Jul 16, 2013 10:33 amRIP, Mr. Smith.
Re: City's oldest living player dies
Posted: Tue Jul 16, 2013 10:59 amI met George a few times and, although he suffered with dementia for many years, his family tried to ensure he had a good life. I enjoyed meeting him and have written a lot about his story over the years because it really is quite remarkable. Here is a piece I wrote for the final match programme at Maine Road (Sadly in terms of George's record, it has to be said that an older City player who is 99 this month has recently been identified).
GEORGE SMITH
Born on 7th February 1921 George Smith's career is a remarkable story of bravery and endeavour. He joined the Blues in 1938 from Salford Adelphi and quickly proved in the A team his worth as an inside-forward but then war broke out and naturally the world changed considerably for all young, fit, agile men.
Inevitably he joined the armed forces but before he left Manchester he did manage to make two first team appearances in the war league. Both games were score draws with Stockport (the first ended 6-6 on 2nd December 1939!).
Then active service took over and Smith went on to serve in Africa. There was nothing unusual about young men serving overseas, however Smith’s life changed significantly when he was under attack from a plane. A bullet entered his right arm above his elbow, travelled down his arm, past his elbow and came out again after travelling a good six or so inches through his arm. Inevitably, Smith was in a great deal of pain, but the most shocking aspect of all of this is that the plane that shot at him was actually from the South African Air Force. This meant that Smith was on the receiving end of what would in the 21st century be described as ‘friendly fire’.
He was lucky the bullet had only entered his arm, but he was desperately unlucky to have been fired at by servicemen fighting on the same side. George spent some time recovering in Africa before being able to return to Manchester.
Why the South African Air Force chose to shoot at him is a mystery and at the time was not investigated. In fact the whole incident was hushed up and George was encouraged not to talk about the specific events. When he eventually returned to Manchester few knew the truth of what happened and, as with so many injured men, it wasn’t a subject openly discussed. Even when the war was over the City football guide for 1945 simply stated: “Smith was one of the first casualties when he suffered a permanent injury to his hand sustained in manoeuvres somewhere in South Africa.”
The permanent injury still affects George today. Basically, ever since that terrible incident sixty years ago, George’s hand and fingers have been permanently rigid in a clasping fashion, while his arm has two large indentations where the bullet entered and exited his flesh. In addition, the path of the bullet down his arm is still clear.
Despite the injury, George determined to return to football, but even then he found difficulty with the City management. Initially, it was felt his injury may have prevented him from playing. Clearly, his arm would present some difficulties, but as a forward it was his feet and head that provided the main aspect of his play, not his arm, but the City management insisted on George performing a number of trials. He passed them all and on 26th August 1944 he celebrated his return to the first team with a hat-trick against Tranmere in the opening match of the new season. This was first appearance in the first team since 25th April 1942.
By the end of the war George was a key member of City’s side, although he remained a little self-conscious about his arm. Usually he would cover it up with either the sleeve of his shirt, a sock, or a glove, and for team photos and the like the arm was usually hidden either behind his back or carefully positioned behind another player.
Some supporters and reporters thought his arm had been amputated, while others wanted go ask but wouldn’t. Understandably, George wanted his football to do all the talking and when City faced United on 6th April 1946 he netted all four goals as the Blues trounced the Reds 4-1. The match was watched by over 62,000. Scoring four goals - three in seven minutes – made him the undisputed star of the game. George: “I wasn’t much of a drinker… I never went wild or anything… but beating United in that manner and by scoring four goals was a wonderful moment. I enjoyed the day and enjoyed most of the games against them during this period. It was nice for the landlords to put one over the tenants.”
The following season saw the return of League football and George was a key factor behind City’s promotion. George: “The season ended in June and on the last day Roy Clarke made his debut and I scored all five goals when we beat Newport County. It was another great day and I was given the match ball. I’ve still got it because something like that is special, but it didn’t matter so much that I scored five. It was good that we won. I ended the season as top scorer but promotion was the main aim.”
George continued to perform exceptionally well for the Blues over the following seasons. At one point he was on the verge of an England cap, and it is known that he had been mentioned by officials at the FA, however it seems his arm injury may have proved a factor. In the end, to the amazement of most Mancunians, George was not selected for his national side.
In October 1951 he moved on to Chesterfield (scoring 97 in 250 League appearances), and later was player-manager at Mossley and Hyde United. He also managed Prestwich Heys.
Today, George lives in the Manchester area and visits Maine Road whenever he gets chance. Considering the circumstances of the injury he sustained in the war he remains remarkably positive and upbeat about those days. He clearly loved his time at the club and his full story is a remarkable one.
Those fans who remember seeing George play remember him with great affection, but all supporters should understand of the difficulties he had to overcome before making his name as a star in City’s immediate post-war period.
GEORGE SMITH
Born on 7th February 1921 George Smith's career is a remarkable story of bravery and endeavour. He joined the Blues in 1938 from Salford Adelphi and quickly proved in the A team his worth as an inside-forward but then war broke out and naturally the world changed considerably for all young, fit, agile men.
Inevitably he joined the armed forces but before he left Manchester he did manage to make two first team appearances in the war league. Both games were score draws with Stockport (the first ended 6-6 on 2nd December 1939!).
Then active service took over and Smith went on to serve in Africa. There was nothing unusual about young men serving overseas, however Smith’s life changed significantly when he was under attack from a plane. A bullet entered his right arm above his elbow, travelled down his arm, past his elbow and came out again after travelling a good six or so inches through his arm. Inevitably, Smith was in a great deal of pain, but the most shocking aspect of all of this is that the plane that shot at him was actually from the South African Air Force. This meant that Smith was on the receiving end of what would in the 21st century be described as ‘friendly fire’.
He was lucky the bullet had only entered his arm, but he was desperately unlucky to have been fired at by servicemen fighting on the same side. George spent some time recovering in Africa before being able to return to Manchester.
Why the South African Air Force chose to shoot at him is a mystery and at the time was not investigated. In fact the whole incident was hushed up and George was encouraged not to talk about the specific events. When he eventually returned to Manchester few knew the truth of what happened and, as with so many injured men, it wasn’t a subject openly discussed. Even when the war was over the City football guide for 1945 simply stated: “Smith was one of the first casualties when he suffered a permanent injury to his hand sustained in manoeuvres somewhere in South Africa.”
The permanent injury still affects George today. Basically, ever since that terrible incident sixty years ago, George’s hand and fingers have been permanently rigid in a clasping fashion, while his arm has two large indentations where the bullet entered and exited his flesh. In addition, the path of the bullet down his arm is still clear.
Despite the injury, George determined to return to football, but even then he found difficulty with the City management. Initially, it was felt his injury may have prevented him from playing. Clearly, his arm would present some difficulties, but as a forward it was his feet and head that provided the main aspect of his play, not his arm, but the City management insisted on George performing a number of trials. He passed them all and on 26th August 1944 he celebrated his return to the first team with a hat-trick against Tranmere in the opening match of the new season. This was first appearance in the first team since 25th April 1942.
By the end of the war George was a key member of City’s side, although he remained a little self-conscious about his arm. Usually he would cover it up with either the sleeve of his shirt, a sock, or a glove, and for team photos and the like the arm was usually hidden either behind his back or carefully positioned behind another player.
Some supporters and reporters thought his arm had been amputated, while others wanted go ask but wouldn’t. Understandably, George wanted his football to do all the talking and when City faced United on 6th April 1946 he netted all four goals as the Blues trounced the Reds 4-1. The match was watched by over 62,000. Scoring four goals - three in seven minutes – made him the undisputed star of the game. George: “I wasn’t much of a drinker… I never went wild or anything… but beating United in that manner and by scoring four goals was a wonderful moment. I enjoyed the day and enjoyed most of the games against them during this period. It was nice for the landlords to put one over the tenants.”
The following season saw the return of League football and George was a key factor behind City’s promotion. George: “The season ended in June and on the last day Roy Clarke made his debut and I scored all five goals when we beat Newport County. It was another great day and I was given the match ball. I’ve still got it because something like that is special, but it didn’t matter so much that I scored five. It was good that we won. I ended the season as top scorer but promotion was the main aim.”
George continued to perform exceptionally well for the Blues over the following seasons. At one point he was on the verge of an England cap, and it is known that he had been mentioned by officials at the FA, however it seems his arm injury may have proved a factor. In the end, to the amazement of most Mancunians, George was not selected for his national side.
In October 1951 he moved on to Chesterfield (scoring 97 in 250 League appearances), and later was player-manager at Mossley and Hyde United. He also managed Prestwich Heys.
Today, George lives in the Manchester area and visits Maine Road whenever he gets chance. Considering the circumstances of the injury he sustained in the war he remains remarkably positive and upbeat about those days. He clearly loved his time at the club and his full story is a remarkable one.
Those fans who remember seeing George play remember him with great affection, but all supporters should understand of the difficulties he had to overcome before making his name as a star in City’s immediate post-war period.
Re: City's oldest living player dies
Posted: Tue Jul 16, 2013 11:40 amGary, who's the 99-year-old?
Re: City's oldest living player dies
Posted: Tue Jul 16, 2013 11:48 amGreat read that, thanks Gary
Re: City's oldest living player dies
Posted: Tue Jul 16, 2013 1:04 pm" ... an older City player who is 99 this month has recently been identified."
Who's that, please?
And who else is still with us and older than Bert Trautmann?
Thanks.
Who's that, please?
And who else is still with us and older than Bert Trautmann?
Thanks.
Re: City's oldest living player dies
Posted: Tue Jul 16, 2013 1:21 pmThe guy who has researched and identified the 99 year old will be releasing his details very soon, so I don't want to pre-empt that I'm afraid. The City fan researching this done a fantastic job researching some of our former players and contacted me some time ago to compare notes etc. I confirmed that I had no record of his death. He followed this up by tracking his story back and identifying a current address. He has since spoken with the 99 year old, who appeared for the Blues in the 1930s (making his debut before City had ever won the League!). All very interesting and should be revealed soon from what I'm told.
John Maddocks, City's former historian who passed away in 2002, was planning on producing a book on City's players and had done a lot of excellent research, however circumstances prevented him from publishing. In 2000-2002, when I was researching Farewell To Maine Road for publication in 2003 I discussed with John the oldest/youngest records and decided it would be a good idea to track down the oldest player for the end of Maine Road. From John's material we produced a shortlist of a few players we believed could be the oldest and I contacted the former players association. They already had Billy Walsh recorded as the oldest (31/5/21) at the time but I knew George had been born on 7/2/21, so without any other possibles identified at that point it became fixed that George was the oldest. Until the research earlier this year no other name had come forward as a possible older player.
John Maddocks, City's former historian who passed away in 2002, was planning on producing a book on City's players and had done a lot of excellent research, however circumstances prevented him from publishing. In 2000-2002, when I was researching Farewell To Maine Road for publication in 2003 I discussed with John the oldest/youngest records and decided it would be a good idea to track down the oldest player for the end of Maine Road. From John's material we produced a shortlist of a few players we believed could be the oldest and I contacted the former players association. They already had Billy Walsh recorded as the oldest (31/5/21) at the time but I knew George had been born on 7/2/21, so without any other possibles identified at that point it became fixed that George was the oldest. Until the research earlier this year no other name had come forward as a possible older player.
Re: City's oldest living player dies
Posted: Tue Jul 16, 2013 1:31 pmgary james wrote:The guy who has researched and identified the 99 year old will be releasing his details very soon, so I don't want to pre-empt that I'm afraid. The City fan researching this done a fantastic job researching some of our former players and contacted me some time ago to compare notes etc. I confirmed that I had no record of his death. He followed this up by tracking his story back and identifying a current address. He has since spoken with the 99 year old, who appeared for the Blues in the 1930s (making his debut before City had ever won the League!). All very interesting and should be revealed soon from what I'm told.
John Maddocks, City's former historian who passed away in 2002, was planning on producing a book on City's players and had done a lot of excellent research, however circumstances prevented him from publishing. In 2000-2002, when I was researching Farewell To Maine Road for publication in 2003 I discussed with John the oldest/youngest records and decided it would be a good idea to track down the oldest player for the end of Maine Road. From John's material we produced a shortlist of a few players we believed could be the oldest and I contacted the former players association. They already had Billy Walsh recorded as the oldest (31/5/21) at the time but I knew George had been born on 7/2/21, so without any other possibles identified at that point it became fixed that George was the oldest. Until the research earlier this year no other name had come forward as a possible older player.
Thanks for that, fascinating. Now would you be able to do us a bit of a favour, and clarify what the deal is with the Rags being allowed to wear the City of Manchester coat of arms (thread is still on the front page)?
RIP George.
Re: City's oldest living player dies
Posted: Tue Jul 16, 2013 1:53 pmBlueinBosnia wrote: do us a bit of a favour, and clarify what the deal is with the Rags being allowed to wear the City of Manchester coat of arms (thread is still on the front page)?
Done - on other thread. Cheers
Re: City's oldest living player dies
Posted: Tue Jul 16, 2013 1:59 pmSo there is a City player still alive that may well have played alongside Peter Doherty? Wow!
Re: City's oldest living player dies
Posted: Tue Jul 16, 2013 2:08 pmPeter Doherty (AGAIG) wrote:So there is a City player still alive that may well have played alongside Peter Doherty? Wow!
He probably will have trained with him but the 99 year old had made his last City appearance before Doherty's debut. He did play alongside Brook, Tilson, Barkas, Swift, Busby and others though.
Re: City's oldest living player dies
Posted: Tue Jul 16, 2013 3:53 pmho many blues have scored 4 in a derby?
good innings George
good innings George
Re: City's oldest living player dies
Posted: Tue Jul 16, 2013 4:24 pmgary james wrote:Peter Doherty (AGAIG) wrote:So there is a City player still alive that may well have played alongside Peter Doherty? Wow!
He probably will have trained with him but the 99 year old had made his last City appearance before Doherty's debut. He did play alongside Brook, Tilson, Barkas, Swift, Busby and others though.
My Gran & Grandad used to rave about those days. Brook, Tilson, Toesland etc & my parents saw some of them play when very young kids.
RIP George, respect to you & thank you for the great memories you gave to more than one generation of blues.
Re: City's oldest living player dies
Posted: Thu Jul 18, 2013 11:30 amPeter Doherty (AGAIG) wrote:Gary, who's the 99-year-old?
The story has now been released: http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/ ... BA.twitter Excellent work by Rob O'Driscoll. He had told City about this a few weeks ago and we both thought it would make a great City feature, but nothing happened so he then tried Stuart Brennan.
A great story and excellent work by Rob. His book won't be around for some time yet but it's a properly researched effort from a true Blue and sure to be a great addition to the City shelves.
Re: City's oldest living player dies
Posted: Thu Jul 18, 2013 11:32 amgary james wrote:Peter Doherty (AGAIG) wrote:Gary, who's the 99-year-old?
The story has now been released: http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/ ... BA.twitter Excellent work by Rob O'Driscoll. He had told City about this a few weeks ago and we both thought it would make a great City feature, but nothing happened so he then tried Stuart Brennan.
A great story and excellent work by Rob. His book won't be around for some time yet but it's a properly researched effort from a true Blue and sure to be a great addition to the City shelves.
Cheers Gary
Re: City's oldest living player dies
Posted: Thu Jul 18, 2013 11:37 amgary james wrote:Peter Doherty (AGAIG) wrote:Gary, who's the 99-year-old?
The story has now been released: http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/ ... BA.twitter Excellent work by Rob O'Driscoll. He had told City about this a few weeks ago and we both thought it would make a great City feature, but nothing happened so he then tried Stuart Brennan.
A great story and excellent work by Rob. His book won't be around for some time yet but it's a properly researched effort from a true Blue and sure to be a great addition to the City shelves.
Thanks. I read the article earlier today. Seems he liked a pint!
George Smith dies
Posted: Tue Aug 06, 2013 3:35 pmThe Indy has finally published their obituary: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/obitu ... 47277.html