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FFP

PostPosted: Tue Jul 16, 2013 5:36 pm
by Lee_R
Bloody sickens me that the French seem to be an exception to the rule. Cavani and Falcao lost to them lot. Why are they not worried about ffp? Uefa wouldnt dare kick them out of CL

Re: FFP

PostPosted: Tue Jul 16, 2013 5:42 pm
by Blue Since 76
Lee_R wrote:Bloody sickens me that the French seem to be an exception to the rule. Cavani and Falcao lost to them lot. Why are they not worried about ffp? Uefa woul
dnt dare kick them out of CL


Their blatant disregard will kill it and we won't get the blame (apart from by Bayern). The likes of Bayern, Real, rags etc can't afford to have PSG do that and potentially win the CL, or Monaco to start doing it next year. So either UEFA does something and it all ends up in court, or the traditionally big clubs will go ballistic and want them out. We're now playing ball financial and are getting much closer to living within our means, so we're on the 'good' side of whatever happens.

Re: FFP

PostPosted: Tue Jul 16, 2013 5:46 pm
by Blue Blood
Blue Since 76 wrote:
Lee_R wrote:Bloody sickens me that the French seem to be an exception to the rule. Cavani and Falcao lost to them lot. Why are they not worried about ffp? Uefa woul
dnt dare kick them out of CL


Their blatant disregard will kill it and we won't get the blame (apart from by Bayern). The likes of Bayern, Real, rags etc can't afford to have PSG do that and potentially win the CL, or Monaco to start doing it next year. So either UEFA does something and it all ends up in court, or the traditionally big clubs will go ballistic and want them out. We're now playing ball financial and are getting much closer to living within our means, so we're on the 'good' side of whatever happens.


Exactly.

We are cruising in a win/win zone atm. Sit back and let it unfold lads.

Re: FFP

PostPosted: Tue Jul 16, 2013 5:50 pm
by Bianchi on Ice
Let them carry on, I have no trouble with it whatsoever. let UEFA make the move, and pass the popcorn...now arsenal, thats a different kettle of fish, throwing pretend money around like they are is shocking, ruining football it is, i mean how much have they spent that they havent spent? 80mill? crazy

Re: FFP

PostPosted: Tue Jul 16, 2013 5:55 pm
by Blue Blood
Bianchi on Ice wrote:Let them carry on, I have no trouble with it whatsoever. let UEFA make the move, and pass the popcorn...now arsenal, thats a different kettle of fish, throwing pretend money around like they are is shocking, ruining football it is, i mean how much have they spent that they havent spent? 80mill? crazy


I think it's a hipster fad.

Moyes is giving it a go over at the swamp. *Chuckle*

Re: FFP

PostPosted: Tue Jul 16, 2013 7:50 pm
by Blue2
FFP will never happen imo. I would imagine its against EU regulations - restraint of trade etc

Re: FFP

PostPosted: Tue Jul 16, 2013 7:58 pm
by AG7
Blue2 wrote:FFP will never happen imo. I would imagine its against EU regulations - restraint of trade etc


I always translate it to that Fat Fucking Prick (or Pig) whatever you like ...

Here's another one:
FFP = Fucking Fruitcake Platini

Re: FFP

PostPosted: Tue Jul 16, 2013 8:30 pm
by Nigels Tackle
hilarious that he's being fucked by foreign owners in his own country

honest question - does anyone anybody outside of france watch ligue 1?

Re: FFP

PostPosted: Tue Jul 16, 2013 8:32 pm
by Dameerto
Nigels Tackle wrote:hilarious that he's being fucked by foreign owners in his own country

honest question - does anyone anybody outside of france watch ligue 1?


I've watched a few matches on ESPN, they're stopping broadcasting from August 1st on Freeview though, so wont be seeing any this season.

Re: FFP

PostPosted: Tue Jul 16, 2013 9:03 pm
by Ted Hughes
Platini has no option but to challenge PSG. If he doesn't it's all over.

He has no need to challenge yet, as it's not yet time for the sanctions to be applied.

But when that time comes, we will be looking like saints, whether we reach the threshold or not, & PSG will be taking the wankers on, with us & various others waiting for the outcome & ready to move in a way that suits us.

If he fails, the Sheikh can do as he pleases.

I hope we stick to the original plan of bringing through our own players & striving to become self sufficient, but also blow everyone out of the water when a Messi becomes available. Pay the big money, for the really big players, like Barca do.

Re: FFP

PostPosted: Tue Jul 16, 2013 9:15 pm
by gillie
Ted Hughes wrote:Platini has no option but to challenge PSG. If he doesn't it's all over.

He has no need to challenge yet, as it's not yet time for the sanctions to be applied.

But when that time comes, we will be looking like saints, whether we reach the threshold or not, & PSG will be taking the wankers on, with us & various others waiting for the outcome & ready to move in a way that suits us.

If he fails, the Sheikh can do as he pleases.

I hope we stick to the original plan of bringing through our own players & striving to become self sufficient, but also blow everyone out of the water when a Messi becomes available. Pay the big money, for the really big players, like Barca do.

I agree Ted and what makes me think FFP will not work is Monaco no Euro football this season and no gaurantee they will have it next season.Add in their ground is miniscule in real terms so they can't generate funds from gate reciepts i think both them and PSG have some sort of get out clause re:FFP.

Re: FFP

PostPosted: Tue Jul 16, 2013 9:20 pm
by maddog fenton
gillie wrote:I agree Ted and what makes me think FFP will not work is Monaco no Euro football this season and no gaurantee they will have it next season.Add in their ground is miniscule in real terms so they can't generate funds from gate reciepts i think both them and PSG have some sort of get out clause re:FFP.


Plattini won't do fuck all to psg because his son is their representing lawyer so he would now first hand if FFP is bogus or not

Re: FFP

PostPosted: Tue Jul 16, 2013 9:44 pm
by Bianchi on Ice
gillie wrote:
Ted Hughes wrote:Platini has no option but to challenge PSG. If he doesn't it's all over.

He has no need to challenge yet, as it's not yet time for the sanctions to be applied.

But when that time comes, we will be looking like saints, whether we reach the threshold or not, & PSG will be taking the wankers on, with us & various others waiting for the outcome & ready to move in a way that suits us.

If he fails, the Sheikh can do as he pleases.

I hope we stick to the original plan of bringing through our own players & striving to become self sufficient, but also blow everyone out of the water when a Messi becomes available. Pay the big money, for the really big players, like Barca do.

I agree Ted and what makes me think FFP will not work is Monaco no Euro football this season and no gaurantee they will have it next season.Add in their ground is miniscule in real terms so they can't generate funds from gate reciepts i think both them and PSG have some sort of get out clause re:FFP.


Its going to be interesting watching it unfold. For starters i bet cavani and falcao move to bigger clubs for far less than the fees just paid out, and within a year or two. wouldnt shock me if they rocked up at bayern or the scum. FFP is just something the hogs at the top table are hiding behind because their entrenched positions scared off fresh investment. they dont like it. its called capitalism and you'd think they'd get the irony.

Re: FFP

PostPosted: Tue Jul 16, 2013 9:50 pm
by dazlebluefrog
Nigels Tackle wrote:hilarious that he's being fucked by foreign owners in his own country

honest question - does anyone anybody outside of france watch ligue 1?

mate i live over here ,i have Canal+ & bein sport channelsto 2 channels to show the matches and i don't even watch the fcuking french league !!
only now & then i'll "zap" between channels while a big match is on but won't watch all of a match

As for the owners they are going to try and turn parts of the shitholes of Paris into better places to live if i remember rightly but as its only Paris didn't pay much attention when they were talking about it on the news a while back

Re: FFP

PostPosted: Tue Jul 16, 2013 9:51 pm
by Slim
Strikes me as a conflict of interest as well, Plantain's son is on the board at PSG. If he does nothing I wonder how long he'll last in the job.

Re: FFP

PostPosted: Tue Jul 16, 2013 9:53 pm
by Ted Hughes
gillie wrote:
Ted Hughes wrote:Platini has no option but to challenge PSG. If he doesn't it's all over.

He has no need to challenge yet, as it's not yet time for the sanctions to be applied.

But when that time comes, we will be looking like saints, whether we reach the threshold or not, & PSG will be taking the wankers on, with us & various others waiting for the outcome & ready to move in a way that suits us.

If he fails, the Sheikh can do as he pleases.

I hope we stick to the original plan of bringing through our own players & striving to become self sufficient, but also blow everyone out of the water when a Messi becomes available. Pay the big money, for the really big players, like Barca do.

I agree Ted and what makes me think FFP will not work is Monaco no Euro football this season and no gaurantee they will have it next season.Add in their ground is miniscule in real terms so they can't generate funds from gate reciepts i think both them and PSG have some sort of get out clause re:FFP.


Well there's a potential legal challenge first I believe, then I recon the next phase, if that was to fail, is the test for so called 'fair value' sponsorship & the competence & neutrality of the panel which is to decide on it. Then imo, the quotes from Platini re owners such as Berlusconi etc asking him to change the rules because they can't afford to finance their clubs anymore, THE WAY THEY HAVE BEEN DOING, because the New owners have too much money. So it was ok for them to have an advantage when they could afford it, but now the middle east is involved, a rule change to stop the Sheikhs doing what Berlusconi has been doing, because presumably it's better to have AC Milan at the top, is required ?

I would have thought that this is the very definition of corruption ?

If I was the owner of PSG & the courts ruled against me, I would go for Platini in person.

Here is another angle on which I would be interested in the opinion of any lawyer types:

We & other clubs sit back & allow PSG & Monaco etc to hoover up players we would have bid for. Similarly, we offer limited terms to other players, some of whom turn down our offers to sign, & we allow players such as Balotelli & Tevez to leave, all of this because we are trying to comply with FFP. We crash out of the Champions Lg but PSG go much further. We miss the title. We hold back on signing sponsorship deals because we believe they could be challenged.

FFP is declared illegal.

Can we sue UEFA for probable loss of earnings due to us complying with FFP & others gaining an advantage ? Anyone know whether that is a legal possibility ?

If so, when the legal challenge to FFP is made, if we quietly inform UEFA of our intention to sue should the case go against them, but we are willing to settle out of Court should FFP be scrapped, what would UEFA do ?

Re: FFP

PostPosted: Tue Jul 16, 2013 9:54 pm
by Wonderwall
No going back now, haven't they already started to look into everyone's finances and issued some banning orders?

Re: FFP

PostPosted: Tue Jul 16, 2013 9:54 pm
by maddog fenton
Slim wrote:Strikes me as a conflict of interest as well, Plantain's son is on the board at PSG. If he does nothing I wonder how long he'll last in the job.


Yeah he is their representing lawyer to the club,

Re: FFP

PostPosted: Tue Jul 16, 2013 9:58 pm
by maddog fenton
The FFP is a catalog of finances over the past 3/4 years trading, so it don't mean spend while you can now. That time came and went last summer that's why chelski spent fortunes on hazard and co

Re: FFP

PostPosted: Tue Jul 16, 2013 9:58 pm
by Ted Hughes
Wonderwall wrote:No going back now, haven't they already started to look into everyone's finances and issued some banning orders?


The bans have been for legitimate reasons such as failure to pay wages, not for spending money you actually own.