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political correctness gone mad to ban the fans from chanting it or a very offensive term that the authorities are rightly acting upon?

Nigels Tackle wrote:political correctness gone mad to ban the fans from chanting it or a very offensive term that the authorities are rightly acting upon?

What's next?

AG7 wrote:

Nigels Tackle wrote:political correctness gone mad to ban the fans from chanting it or a very offensive term that the authorities are rightly acting upon?

What's next?

Justice and equality for all?

An end to racism?

Why not tell the class what you think?

They have always been the Yids, I don't consider it an insult just because it's a reference to their Jewish roots.

Next we'll be saying Geordies, Scousers and Cockneys are discriminatory.

Why is it even thought to be insulting? As far as I have read it's akin to being called a Brit or a Pomm.

Be good of someone could explain why its such a bad word al of a sudden.

Twobob wrote:Why is it even thought to be insulting? As far as I have read it's akin to being called a Brit or a Pomm.

Be good of someone could explain why its such a bad word al of a sudden.

It's an abbreviation for 'Yiddish' as in a Jewish language but the language has Germanic connections, so maybe there's a grey area over the intent to insult when using it. If it's not linked to the Jewish/Germanic thing then I have no idea why it might be thought to be possibly offensive.

If someone finds it offensive then it's offensive. I find the use of the word faggort offensive at games, someone going to tell me I'm wrong and I'm being all PC. There was a Jewish football fan on the radio talking about the word Yid the other day and they said its highly offensive and derogatory, who I'm I to tell a Jewish person that its not?

Sister of fu wrote:If someone finds it offensive then it's offensive. I find the use of the word faggort offensive at games, someone going to tell me I'm wrong and I'm being all PC. There was a Jewish football fan on the radio talking about the word Yid the other day and they said its highly offensive and derogatory, who I'm I to tell a Jewish person that its not?

You have a point, but plenty of people would say they're offended at any sort of swear word used, do we ban all foul language at football?

Course it's not an insult.

Brit is short for British and Paki is short for Pakistani. Why is one apparently 'racist' when all it is, is a shortened term.

john@staustell wrote:Course it's not an insult.

Brit is short for British and Paki is short for Pakistani. Why is one apparently 'racist' when all it is, is a shortened term.

It may be an abbreviation, but, like 'Paki', it's generally been used as a derogatory term. I've never heard a crowd sing 'you're just a town full of Brits'.

This is a difficult one for me, but I think SOF is absolutely right about this issue. My understanding of the term Yid is that it was originally a derogatory name for Jewish people. However, I am sure the thousands of spuds fans who chant it week in week out, use it as term of solidarity. In fact, I would bet that many of the younger fans don’t even know what it means, and just see it as another chant. I am also not sure how they are going to enforce this either? If you have one are two fans doing it, you can remove / ban them from the ground, but can you do that with a stand full of supporters?
It is a very personal thing, and people will have different views on it. I absolutely detest homophobic chants and comments. It is deeply offensive to me to hear the word faggot used, and even worse ‘I hope he dies of AIDS’, which is used on this forum. I took my partner to a game (he has no real interest in City), and he was horrified what people get away with in terms of homophobic name calling. As I say, its a very personal thing.

Sister of fu wrote:If someone finds it offensive then it's offensive. I find the use of the word faggort offensive at games, someone going to tell me I'm wrong and I'm being all PC. There was a Jewish football fan on the radio talking about the word Yid the other day and they said its highly offensive and derogatory, who I'm I to tell a Jewish person that its not?

This pretty much. Mind I find the term 'Manchester United' offensive on many levels but seem to have problems convincing the powers that be of its insulting nature to my religious beliefs . . . so far

I've used it in the past , when I thought it was not an offensive term (due to it's usage by Spurs fans) , but I don't use it any more , having understood it could be used offensively.
Incidentally , "Paki" is not thought of as an offensive term down here in Oz, where it is used to refer to the visiting Pakistani cricket team, without any offence or controversy.

I have never used the term Yids, didnt know it was deemed really offensive either as the spurs fans often use it themselves. TBH I am not arsed what they do at WHL, however, banning the term will most certainly upset many of their fans and will no doubt give the visiting fans a good reason to wind them up

CuteMancs wrote:This is a difficult one for me, but I think SOF is absolutely right about this issue. My understanding of the term Yid is that it was originally a derogatory name for Jewish people. However, I am sure the thousands of spuds fans who chant it week in week out, use it as term of solidarity. In fact, I would bet that many of the younger fans don’t even know what it means, and just see it as another chant. I am also not sure how they are going to enforce this either? If you have one are two fans doing it, you can remove / ban them from the ground, but can you do that with a stand full of supporters?
It is a very personal thing, and people will have different views on it. I absolutely detest homophobic chants and comments. It is deeply offensive to me to hear the word faggot used, and even worse ‘I hope he dies of AIDS’, which is used on this forum. I took my partner to a game (he has no real interest in City), and he was horrified what people get away with in terms of homophobic name calling. As I say, its a very personal thing.

I just try to avoid using words to describe race or sexuality, which those people find offensive, simply because they find it offensive, but often the word itself isn't actually that bad at all, it's down to the way in which it has been used in the past & the circumstances involved. The shit I used to say to mates who were black & Asian, & them to me, would probably have got all of us locked up if it was written down or heard in public, but amongst mates it was actually very funny. But the same stuff used by a bunch of skinheads bullying a black guy, or a bunch of black guys bullying a white guy, takes on a whole different meaning.

I have never called anyone a faggot but I didn't realise it was particularly offensive either. I have heard so many words used by gay people to describe themselves that I didn't realise they gave a shit about words in general tbh.

It's the attitude which is often behind it rather than the words themselves which is the problem in the end though.

I only use the word "faggot" to describe food as the derogatory American usage has become more common to the point use of it in other contexts would be rude. I would never say "yid" as that has always been rude.

I have a very good friend who is a Jewish Spurs supporter, so I just called him and asked him about. On one hand it is expected because it is something that he and his dad have heard all their lives. On the other hand it is both offensive to him and shows the ignorance of a lot of people who use it, as it is a very derogatory term, and people just aren't sensitive.

I mentioned to him what john@staustell had said about what Paki is to Pakistanis, and while similar, he said that refers to ethnicity, whereas "yid" is a religious slur. For anyone to call it overly PC, maybe it is, but to a lot of Jewish people it is clearly a sensitive term.

Florida Blue wrote:I have a very good friend who is a Jewish Spurs supporter, so I just called him and asked him about. On one hand it is expected because it is something that he and his dad have heard all their lives. On the other hand it is both offensive to him and shows the ignorance of a lot of people who use it, as it is a very derogatory term, and people just aren't sensitive.

I mentioned to him what john@staustell had said about what Paki is to Pakistanis, and while similar, he said that refers to ethnicity, whereas "yid" is a religious slur. For anyone to call it overly PC, maybe it is, but to a lot of Jewish people it is clearly a sensitive term.

I don't get the 'religious' reference at all.

Ted Hughes wrote:

Florida Blue wrote:I have a very good friend who is a Jewish Spurs supporter, so I just called him and asked him about. On one hand it is expected because it is something that he and his dad have heard all their lives. On the other hand it is both offensive to him and shows the ignorance of a lot of people who use it, as it is a very derogatory term, and people just aren't sensitive.

I mentioned to him what john@staustell had said about what Paki is to Pakistanis, and while similar, he said that refers to ethnicity, whereas "yid" is a religious slur. For anyone to call it overly PC, maybe it is, but to a lot of Jewish people it is clearly a sensitive term.

I don't get the 'religious' reference at all.

Pretty simple actually... Yids is short for Yiddish which is a German based language spoken by Jews. So if you carry it through the logic, it is a religious reference.

Florida Blue wrote:

Ted Hughes wrote:

Florida Blue wrote:I have a very good friend who is a Jewish Spurs supporter, so I just called him and asked him about. On one hand it is expected because it is something that he and his dad have heard all their lives. On the other hand it is both offensive to him and shows the ignorance of a lot of people who use it, as it is a very derogatory term, and people just aren't sensitive.

I mentioned to him what john@staustell had said about what Paki is to Pakistanis, and while similar, he said that refers to ethnicity, whereas "yid" is a religious slur. For anyone to call it overly PC, maybe it is, but to a lot of Jewish people it is clearly a sensitive term.

I don't get the 'religious' reference at all.

Pretty simple actually... Yids is short for Yiddish which is a German based language spoken by Jews. So if you carry it through the logic, it is a religious reference.

It is used as a derogatory term by racists to describe Jewish people & has no religious connotations whatsoever for the users. Many won't even know it represents a language. It is just the same as the words used against black & asian people as in the example you gave him.