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Rags truly gutted that Mancini has gone ?

Was enjoying a few pints with a couple of gutted Rags after we annihilated them in the Derby, when I was shocked by their very revealing opinions.

They thought that Mancini was actually holding us back and really are genuinely gutted that he has gone, I mean wtf?

I explained that Mancini brought us our first title in 44 years and deserves some credit, yet they still think we should have romped the League the Season we won it. They also think they them selves have been in decline for a few seasons not strengthening in key areas knowing players were too old and are very pessimistic about their future.

They are now genuinely fearful that we will reach our true potential with the shackles taken off the team. They honestly believe our football is going to blow all away if we continue to play this fast paced attacking game.( nice to hear)

Was Mancini really that bad for us though ?,am I delusional ?,I have to be honest i was shocked hearing RAGS say they wanted Mancini to stay at our club because most off them think he was a clueless Cnut. I actualy thought he was a half decent manager ?

I have to say though I have not enjoyed football like I have the last 3 games for a while. I think the football has been something special, well done Manuel and the boys and long may it continue. It is nice to see all the players smiling and enjoying the game. great stuff.

Quite a lot of rags felt that way about Mancini & irrespective of Pellegrini's appointment, I think they are partially right. He lacked attacking ideas, in fact was pretty poor in that area imo. But he made us solid & he broke their stranglehold on us, which many rags also realise. Not sure Pellegrini could have done that, at that time, or many managers for that matter. Would have taken a fair bit longer & possibly several sackings. Bob did it in one go.

Bob would have had to go sooner or later imo but he got the party started & set the club up fpr the Count, (or whoever else if he fucks up), to be able to take it to another level, which WILL happen, Count or no Count.

I think Bob reached his limit but he will always be the bloke who started it, & a City legend.

Mancini was definitely the manager for that time. He brought us a type of defensive discipline that I hadn't seen before, and that not a lot of other teams had. The defensive record speaks for itself. His system didn't hold up so well at the end, and I think we made the right choice parting ways when we did.

It definitely is a different philosophy with Pelligrini, and we'll see how it turns out. I agree with Ted though, I don't think it would be the same story if we had hired Pelli instead of Mancini at that time. We needed that discipline introduced to the club by Mancini.

He had a team that should have won the league by 15 points but did it by goal difference, and turned it into a team that lost the league by 15 points. 30 points in two seasons. Good effort.

Loads of city haters were sad to see him go. Says a lot.
Where is he managing now? Says even more.

Whatever the pros & cons of Bob, I don't miss this one bit:

http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/ ... at-6090967

We beat them quite a lot under bob

Ted Hughes wrote:Whatever the pros & cons of Bob, I don't miss this one bit:

http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/ ... at-6090967

The rent a quote nature of Bobby is what got him the boot.

lets all have a disco wrote:

Ted Hughes wrote:Whatever the pros & cons of Bob, I don't miss this one bit:

http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/ ... at-6090967

The rent a quote nature of Bobby is what got him the boot.

This ongoing bollocks with him & Balotelli would be dominating the headlines now, even if it was in a good way & Mario had scored 3 on Sunday, it would all be; "he could do this" or "he should do that". Tiresome.

Roberto Mancini

Scatman wrote:He had a team that should have won the league by 15 points but did it by goal difference, and turned it into a team that lost the league by 15 points. 30 points in two seasons. Good effort.

Not entirely fair, his only competition was Bacon, who was responsible for a similar amount of points the other way.

Ted Hughes wrote:

lets all have a disco wrote:

Ted Hughes wrote:Whatever the pros & cons of Bob, I don't miss this one bit:

http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/ ... at-6090967

The rent a quote nature of Bobby is what got him the boot.

This ongoing bollocks with him & Balotelli would be dominating the headlines now, even if it was in a good way & Mario had scored 3 on Sunday, it would all be; "he could do this" or "he should do that". Tiresome.

'Roberto Mancini' should have nothing to do with Balotelli in future as they simply cant work together despite what they both think of each other.
He should also stop talking about him in the public.

There are reports he is going to Gala now that will be interesting as if you fuck up there and lose to a lower league team or a cup final team you need security on your gaff adding in his hot headed nature.

lets all have a disco wrote:

Ted Hughes wrote:

lets all have a disco wrote:

Ted Hughes wrote:Whatever the pros & cons of Bob, I don't miss this one bit:

http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/ ... at-6090967

The rent a quote nature of Bobby is what got him the boot.

This ongoing bollocks with him & Balotelli would be dominating the headlines now, even if it was in a good way & Mario had scored 3 on Sunday, it would all be; "he could do this" or "he should do that". Tiresome.

'Roberto Mancini' should have nothing to do with Balotelli in future as they simply cant work together despite what they both think of each other.
He should also stop talking about him in the public.

There are reports he is going to Gala now that will be interesting as if you fuck up there and lose to a lower league team or a cup final team you need security on your gaff adding in his hot headed nature.

Is he going as a caller or just to see if he can get a full house.

Scatman wrote:He had a team that should have won the league by 15 points but did it by goal difference, and turned it into a team that lost the league by 15 points. 30 points in two seasons. Good effort.

In fairness, he lost it by 11 points (and wasn't in charge for the defeat by Norwich, so it could have been 8). I was glad we got rid, but there's no need to make it look worse than it was.

And whilst we could/should have done more the season we won it, I think it was still the 3rd highest points total and the rags total was the highest ever to not win it.

Ted Hughes wrote:Quite a lot of rags felt that way about Mancini & irrespective of Pellegrini's appointment, I think they are partially right. He lacked attacking ideas, in fact was pretty poor in that area imo. But he made us solid & he broke their stranglehold on us, which many rags also realise. Not sure Pellegrini could have done that, at that time, or many managers for that matter. Would have taken a fair bit longer & possibly several sackings. Bob did it in one go.

Bob would have had to go sooner or later imo but he got the party started & set the club up fpr the Count, (or whoever else if he fucks up), to be able to take it to another level, which WILL happen, Count or no Count.

I think Bob reached his limit but he will always be the bloke who started it, & a City legend.

i agree with your assessment Ted.Right man at the right time,he made us hard to beat.We are constantly evolving as a Club.

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Ted Hughes wrote:He lacked attacking ideas, in fact was pretty poor in that area imo. But he made us solid & he broke their stranglehold on us, which many rags also realise. Not sure Pellegrini could have done that, at that time, or many managers for that matter. Would have taken a fair bit longer & possibly several sackings. Bob did it in one go.

Bob would have had to go sooner or later imo but he got the party started & set the club up fpr the Count, (or whoever else if he fucks up), to be able to take it to another level, which WILL happen, Count or no Count.

I think Bob reached his limit but he will always be the bloke who started it, & a City legend.

This is pretty much just how I see it as well.

Scatman wrote:He had a team that should have won the league by 15 points but did it by goal difference, and turned it into a team that lost the league by 15 points. 30 points in two seasons. Good effort.

This shit pisses me right off. What you're saying is we should have dropped just 10 points in the entire season? Get a grip.

Nutzer wrote:Mancini was too defensively minded. I felt that we won the league in spite of him rather than because of him. The players seemed to have thrown off his defensive tactics and gone on the offensive and we roared to the top and stayed there.
Last season I felt the he and the team weren't always in synch and by the Cup Final didn't really want to play for him. In fact, after he was sacked, one player was quoted as saying that the only downside to winning the league was that Mancini would continue as manager.

don't know about the last part but I agree with more or less everything else you said. We started the 11/12 season on fire, dzeko scoring all round him, then gets dropped. Aguero came in and was excellent until (my opinion anyway) Mancini's slow methodical training methods caused Aguero to lose his instinct and speed of thought. around xmas our play had become so slow with very little movement, the players just seemed to be dropping off, maybe not enough intensity in training. The only time we seemed to get a rocket up our arse was when tevez came back and rejuvenated the squad and the attacking third (probably because he hadn't spent the previous six months working through mancini's tedious training sessions). the 12/13 season went much the same way as the bad parts of the previous season, we were poor, finished second in a very poor league, were embarrassed in the CL and overall looked to be regressing.

Its a bit to early to judge Pellegrini but he seems to be doing everything right. Even when the results were not going right, the players were still coming out and saying that "they know what they are working on in training will come good" or "we are changing the way we play and it takes time". The players seem to have bought into Pellegrini and that is no different to what other past players have said about him too, so I have confidence that we are moving in the right direction. Pellegrini has sat down with the players and sought their opinion on where they are happiest playing and treated them with respect, Mancini didn't, he thought that we should be able to change to a back 3 having never worked on it in training and expect players to adapt and if they didn't he publically said they were not top players, great morale booster there. Mancini was a world class player and the game was so simple to him, I don't think he could ever understand how some players couldn't grasp it, but as a manager he is not world class and before anyone claims his record states differently then why wasn't he offered some of the bigger jobs that have come up recently in Europe.

zabbadabbado wrote:Rags truly gutted that Mancini has gone ? Was enjoying a few pints with a couple of gutted Rags after we annihilated them in the Derby, when I was shocked by their very revealing opinions. They thought that Mancini was actually holding us back and really are genuinely gutted that he has gone, I mean wtf? I explained that Mancini brought us our first title in 44 years and deserves some credit, yet they still think we should have romped the League the Season we won it. They also think they them selves have been in decline for a few seasons not strengthening in key areas knowing players were too old and are very pessimistic about their future. They are now genuinely fearful that we will reach our true potential with the shackles taken off the team. They honestly believe our football is going to blow all away if we continue to play this fast paced attacking game.( nice to hear) Was Mancini really that bad for us though ?,am I delusional ?,I have to be honest i was shocked hearing RAGS say they wanted Mancini to stay at our club because most off them think he was a clueless Cnut. I actualy thought he was a half decent manager ? I have to say though I have not enjoyed football like I have the last 3 games for a while. I think the football has been something special, well done Manuel and the boys and long may it continue. It is nice to see all the players smiling and enjoying the game. great stuff.

Honestly, many of us have said you were delusional over mancini....amd it shouldnt take a few rags to make you see the blindingly obvious.

I dont reckon pellegrini is the second coming, and mancini is history now, but its hard not to raise the issues:
1: the rags couldnt believe their luck that they even got a sniff the year we won the league
2: the rags couldnt believe their luck that we were as poor as we were relative to the ability in our squad last year.

Its why in the cold light of day, when you look at Mancinis reign impartially, it was not as successful as it could have been, and had limp failure at both the beginning and the end of his reign, and a success that in reality, nobody will ever know whether we deserved it or the rags blew it.......for me the fa cup was the only thing i can credit him 100% with. It also brings his success in italy into question, in that his league titles came in a very one sided league, managing the best team with the opposition decimated by sanctions.

Had ferguson not been around, mancini arguably could have won the league year after year in this country, we would all have said he was amazing for bringing the silverware home, and been blind to the fact that the achievement wasn't quite what we were making it out to have been.

It seems throughout his career he's a flat track bully of a manager, (although undoubtedly a great domestic cup manager) and not a particularly good tactician. Who knows what we COULD have achieved With seemingly the polar opposite in charge now, how will it pan out, who knows?