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I wonder if it is still rife in the Premier League ? surely it wouldn't be that easy to throw a game these days as it used to be in the days of Grobbelar ?

I think to pull it off you would probably need a bent referee to start with, to see how things go in the said game for a while. then maybe if that don't work go to Plan B.and just have a bent player make a game changing decision.

Grobbelar was a master at it.

I am glad those days are gone.

If you are looking for bent refs, look no further than Howard Webb

nottsblue wrote:If you are looking for bent refs, look no further than Howard Webb

Exactly ,some off his decisions were truly shocking.That went way beyond being just a homer,Silva took an arm to the head,the law states the game should be stopped.I have never seen a referee continue like he did,and then go on to award a free kick on the edge of our box.One could be forgiven for thinking he was extremely biased.

I think he's looking a little closer to home.

I don't think Webb is that biased - just shit.
He regularly gets decisions wrong both ways and my absolute biggest annoyance with him is he seems determined to make the game all about him. He lets nothing go and flashes yellows about for nothing. It's people like him who want to make it a non contact sport.

He does his best to stop the game going by regularly stopping it and trying to impact himself rather than let the game flow.

The art of being a good ref imo is if after the game, the fans have nothing to say about you.

Beefymcfc wrote:I think he's looking a little closer to home.

Grobbelar was a half decent keeper.

A great keeper on his day, but every now and again he would inexplicably run out of his box to make a save and be chipped,or simply fail to make any contact at all with the ball.At the time we all just thought it was part of his psychi because he was a bit of an eccentric character.Nobody thought anything sinister was going on until he declared he was match fixing.

Bridge'srightfoot wrote:I don't think Webb is that biased - just shit.
He regularly gets decisions wrong both ways and my absolute biggest annoyance with him is he seems determined to make the game all about him. He lets nothing go and flashes yellows about for nothing. It's cunts like him who want to make it a non contact sport.

He does his best to stop the game going by regularly stopping it and trying to impact himself rather than let the game flow.

The art of being a good ref imo is if after the game, the fans have nothing to say about you.

Webb was Ferguson's favorite referee,and i don't think it was because he was shit.

Are we really trying to blame the cunting ref? If anyone is bent, maybe the link is Grobelaar's position. Wink wink dandruff cunt, who does seem to be very pally with rags

zabbadabbado wrote: Grobbelar was a half decent keeper.

A great keeper on his day, but every now and again he would inexplicably run out of his box to make a save and be chipped,or simply fail to make any contact at all with the ball.At the time we all just thought it was part of his psychi because he was a bit of an eccentric character.Nobody thought anything sinister was going on until he declared he was match fixing.

Cannot and will not believe Hart is fixing matches. Too much to lose. Think its more of a loss of confidence both in himself and defence

nottsblue wrote:

zabbadabbado wrote: Grobbelar was a half decent keeper.

A great keeper on his day, but every now and again he would inexplicably run out of his box to make a save and be chipped,or simply fail to make any contact at all with the ball.At the time we all just thought it was part of his psychi because he was a bit of an eccentric character.Nobody thought anything sinister was going on until he declared he was match fixing.

Cannot and will not believe Hart is fixing matches. Too much to lose. Think its more of a loss of confidence both in himself and defence

i never said that :-)

zabbadabbado wrote: Grobbelar was a half decent keeper.

A great keeper on his day, but every now and again he would inexplicably run out of his box to make a save and be chipped,or simply fail to make any contact at all with the ball.At the time we all just thought it was part of his psychi because he was a bit of an eccentric character.Nobody thought anything sinister was going on until he declared he was match fixing.

nottsblue wrote:
Cannot and will not believe Hart is fixing matches. Too much to lose. Think its more of a loss of confidence both in himself and defence

zabbadabbado wrote:i never said that :-)

Sorry. Thought there was an underlying inference

nottsblue wrote:
Cannot and will not believe Hart is fixing matches. Too much to lose. Think its more of a loss of confidence both in himself and defence

A keeper with no confidence stays on his line and hopes his defender heads the ball back to him.

Just sayin.

Hasn't there been admissions since Grobelar? I seem to recall a former south coast based player often on Soccer Saturday saying something about a bet he'd had that there would be a throw in within the first minute, so straight from the kick off he launched it towards the stands, only for the winger to keep it in. He then ran about furiously trying to put the ball out of touch.

Something like that doesn't really affect the outcome, but how far is it to get from that to trying to throw a match? Keith Gillespie was on TV recently saying how much he'd lost gambling and it was about £7m. Get into that sort of state and the temptation to do something illegal to pay off a few bookie's debts must be very tempting.

I'd be amazed if there haven't been many players who've done things at the request of others since Grobelar.

Match fixing will be more common than we think.

nottsblue wrote:

zabbadabbado wrote: Grobbelar was a half decent keeper.

A great keeper on his day, but every now and again he would inexplicably run out of his box to make a save and be chipped,or simply fail to make any contact at all with the ball.At the time we all just thought it was part of his psychi because he was a bit of an eccentric character.Nobody thought anything sinister was going on until he declared he was match fixing.

nottsblue wrote:
Cannot and will not believe Hart is fixing matches. Too much to lose. Think its more of a loss of confidence both in himself and defence

zabbadabbado wrote:i never said that :-)

Sorry. Thought there was an underlying inference

I wouldn't just literally come out and say it,hence the i never said that you did :-).

I have watched that goal 100 times now,and it isn't getting any better.In fact if slowed down it looks even worse.

Our Keeper inexplicably runs out of his box,not once does he try to redeem his error by throwing his hands up at the ball,or try and take the Chelsea player out,even a straight red card was a better option,but he wont risk that because it is all about Joe.He actually blocks Nasti.It really does look bent as fuck the more you watch it.If it were a horse race there would be a stewards inquiry.Why does a supposed top English goal keeper commit such a ludicrous error in the last minute off a high profile game ?

Early on in the game there was ball crossed about 5 yards in front off his net he didn't even move for,Demichelis was mortified he didn't come for it,that could have been an easy tap in if a Chelsea player had gambled.Yet the same player who is consistently routed to his line decides to go walk abouts in the 90th minute from an innocuous back pass.

It is strange.

Also why do so many off his errors cost us points ?usually these errors come in games we are well on top off and the opposition are limited to hopeful balls over the top and set pieces.The game against Bayern Munich beaten from a shit Ribbery shot on his near post and then done again up the other end off the pitch.

He is fucking us over.

zabbadabbado wrote:

nottsblue wrote:

zabbadabbado wrote: Grobbelar was a half decent keeper.

A great keeper on his day, but every now and again he would inexplicably run out of his box to make a save and be chipped,or simply fail to make any contact at all with the ball.At the time we all just thought it was part of his psychi because he was a bit of an eccentric character.Nobody thought anything sinister was going on until he declared he was match fixing.

Cannot and will not believe Hart is fixing matches. Too much to lose. Think its more of a loss of confidence both in himself and defence

i never said that :-)

You did more or less in the match thread, page 19 first post (although no-one picked up on it).
I'm not that sure that you're wrong either

patrickblue wrote:

zabbadabbado wrote:

nottsblue wrote:

zabbadabbado wrote: Grobbelar was a half decent keeper.

A great keeper on his day, but every now and again he would inexplicably run out of his box to make a save and be chipped,or simply fail to make any contact at all with the ball.At the time we all just thought it was part of his psychi because he was a bit of an eccentric character.Nobody thought anything sinister was going on until he declared he was match fixing.

Cannot and will not believe Hart is fixing matches. Too much to lose. Think its more of a loss of confidence both in himself and defence

i never said that :-)

You did more or less in the match thread, page 19 first post (although no-one picked up on it).
I'm not that sure that you're wrong either

Oh fuck it,your right i confess :-)

zabbadabbado wrote:

nottsblue wrote:

zabbadabbado wrote: Grobbelar was a half decent keeper.

A great keeper on his day, but every now and again he would inexplicably run out of his box to make a save and be chipped,or simply fail to make any contact at all with the ball.At the time we all just thought it was part of his psychi because he was a bit of an eccentric character.Nobody thought anything sinister was going on until he declared he was match fixing.

nottsblue wrote:
Cannot and will not believe Hart is fixing matches. Too much to lose. Think its more of a loss of confidence both in himself and defence

zabbadabbado wrote:i never said that :-)

Sorry. Thought there was an underlying inference

I wouldn't just literally come out and say it,hence the i never said that you did :-).

I have watched that goal 100 times now,and it isn't getting any better.In fact if slowed down it looks even worse.

Our Keeper inexplicably runs out of his box,not once does he try to redeem his error by throwing his hands up at the ball,or try and take the Chelsea player out,even a straight red card was a better option,but he wont risk that because it is all about Joe.He actually blocks Nasti.It really does look bent as fuck the more you watch it.If it were a horse race there would be a stewards inquiry.Why does a supposed top English goal keeper commit such a ludicrous error in the last minute off a high profile game ?

Early on in the game there was ball crossed about 5 yards in front off his net he didn't even move for,Demichelis was mortified he didn't come for it,that could have been an easy tap in if a Chelsea player had gambled.Yet the same player who is consistently routed to his line decides to go walk abouts in the 90th minute from an innocuous back pass.

It is strange.

Also why do so many off his errors cost us points ?usually these errors come in games we are well on top off and the opposition are limited to hopeful balls over the top and set pieces.The game against Bayern Munich beaten from a shit Ribbery shot on his near post and then done again up the other end off the pitch.

He is fucking us over.

He has lost it, that's why. The reason he didn't collect in the first instance & then came charging out in the 2nd are purely examples of a keeper who has lost it re when to come out & when not to.

It has come about imo, due to the defence in front of him being a mess & getting worse during last season & this. Zabba is also making errors of judgement all the time which he never used to make, but as he's not a keeper, it doesn't always end in a goal (though some have). Clichy has gone completely.

have a look at this. bundesliga last night.

[youtube]NtBWefg5md0[/youtube]

Blue Since 76 wrote:Hasn't there been admissions since Grobelar? I seem to recall a former south coast based player often on Soccer Saturday saying something about a bet he'd had that there would be a throw in within the first minute, so straight from the kick off he launched it towards the stands, only for the winger to keep it in. He then ran about furiously trying to put the ball out of touch.

Something like that doesn't really affect the outcome, but how far is it to get from that to trying to throw a match? Keith Gillespie was on TV recently saying how much he'd lost gambling and it was about £7m. Get into that sort of state and the temptation to do something illegal to pay off a few bookie's debts must be very tempting.

I'd be amazed if there haven't been many players who've done things at the request of others since Grobelar.

I think this is more the way it's done.Not so much fixing the outcome of the match happens but I think there are so many gambling options during a match the number of free kicks and so on would be a much safer bet.