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This just shows how little players are booked for diving, when you think of the times we have all seen it happen the players dont get that many bookings for it really.

Interesting table that. Any idea when it was created? If it doesn't include Januzaj's yellow yesterday, then the Rags will now top the table.

We are the best if the Premier League leaders then, pretty good considering the amount of Spanish influence we have.

BlueinBosnia wrote:Interesting table that. Any idea when it was created? If it doesn't include Januzaj's yellow yesterday, then the Rags will now top the table.

I believe it only came out today in a Daily Hitler article, so does include yesterdays yellow. Apparently though, Januzaj is in second spot for most yellows in the history of the premier league for diving after only featuring in 14 league matches. Top of the table is Bale by a mile

patrickblue wrote:

BlueinBosnia wrote:Interesting table that. Any idea when it was created? If it doesn't include Januzaj's yellow yesterday, then the Rags will now top the table.

I believe it only came out today in a Daily Hitler article, so does include yesterdays yellow. Apparently though, Januzaj is in second spot for most yellows in the history of the premier league for diving after only featuring in 14 league matches. Top of the table is Bale by a mile

Thanks for that. Stat lifted for Facebook purposes...

Just found a link
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/footba ... nited.html

Hutch's Shoulder wrote:We are the best if the Premier League leaders then, pretty good considering the amount of Spanish influence we have.

Ronaldo is Portuguese . He also used to play for the Rags. He dives a lot.

Messi doesn't need to dive.

Can't see how you can conclude that the Spanish dive any more than the Germans, the Italians or the English.

The players in Spain do feign injuries and faceslaps/elbows etc, though . Creepy isn't it ?

yeah as already stated but heres the other table anyway.

The Bale stat shows just how biased referees can be. He was a definite diver, but certainly not so much worse than the others, and you could argue that some of his dives were of the Micah Richards 'avoiding collisions by doing an impression of a flying fish' variety.

I notice golden boys Gerrard and Rooney nowhere to be seen - also surprised that Suarez isn't booked once a match for his theatrics. I can't imagine he's popular with refs.

It would make more sense for this to be retrospective punishment. It's hard enough for refs to make penalty decisions without having to then decide if it was a dive (which they seemingly only do for people with reputations). It's much easier to spot on a replay, despite what Saint Neville says, and would save us from the ignorance of the commentators complaining that it's 'either a penalty or a yellow card for a dive', when it's mostly neither.

I am starting to think the RAGS practice it in training.JIZZINYOUREYE always looks to come in side on the edge off the penalty area before diving at any type of contact.

Ashley Young is so good at diving he has mastered the art of looking for an opponents leg with his foot before diving.

And they wonder why referees are reluctant to give the cheating twats the benefit off the doubt in a World Cup Year (tossers).

Also Why the fuck would Webb risk his World Cup selection cheating in a game for a mid table shower of shit living on past glory ?they better get used to the fact that they don't have the pull with the FA anymore. It Is not a coincidence that the old piss pot retires and then suddenly they are a bag of shite at home who have lost 4 games already. Fact is they were a bag off shite last season, but got the bent results at home because off the old piss pot. Gollum has no pulling power.

Refs hated Balo and I'm sure they hate Suarez.

zuricity wrote: The players in Spain do feign injuries and faceslaps/elbows etc, though . Creepy isn't it ?

I had assumed that was included in the same stats as another form of 'simulation'?

blue-nova wrote:The Bale stat shows just how biased referees can be. He was a definite diver, but certainly not so much worse than the others, and you could argue that some of his dives were of the Micah Richards 'avoiding collisions by doing an impression of a flying fish' variety. I notice golden boys Gerrard and Rooney nowhere to be seen - also surprised that Suarez isn't booked once a match for his theatrics. I can't imagine he's popular with refs. It would make more sense for this to be retrospective punishment. It's hard enough for refs to make penalty decisions without having to then decide if it was a dive (which they seemingly only do for people with reputations). It's much easier to spot on a replay, despite what Saint Neville says, and would save us from the ignorance of the commentators complaining that it's 'either a penalty or a yellow card for a dive', when it's mostly neither.

Considering the low numbers of booking's for diving. It would be much more interesting to see the amount of penalties given for dives.

blue-nova wrote:
It would make more sense for this to be retrospective punishment. It's hard enough for refs to make penalty decisions without having to then decide if it was a dive (which they seemingly only do for people with reputations). It's much easier to spot on a replay, despite what Saint Neville says, and would save us from the ignorance of the commentators complaining that it's 'either a penalty or a yellow card for a dive', when it's mostly neither.

Absolutely right. Look at it afterwards, and make it an automatic two match ban if proven.

blue-nova wrote:
It would make more sense for this to be retrospective punishment. It's hard enough for refs to make penalty decisions without having to then decide if it was a dive (which they seemingly only do for people with reputations). It's much easier to spot on a replay, despite what Saint Neville says, and would save us from the ignorance of the commentators complaining that it's 'either a penalty or a yellow card for a dive', when it's mostly neither.

Absolutely right. Look at it afterwards, and make it an automatic two match ban if proven.

blue-nova wrote:
It would make more sense for this to be retrospective punishment. It's hard enough for refs to make penalty decisions without having to then decide if it was a dive (which they seemingly only do for people with reputations). It's much easier to spot on a replay, despite what Saint Neville says, and would save us from the ignorance of the commentators complaining that it's 'either a penalty or a yellow card for a dive', when it's mostly neither.

Give the benefit of the doubt back to the attacker and then review every incident resulting in a penalty; free kick within 35 yds or; booking for the defender - it can't be just the ones the media are interested in. First offence is 3 game ban, then 5, then 10. Any team who has three players caught in a season gets a 3 point penalty.

There'd be no diving by May.

Blue Since 76 wrote:

blue-nova wrote:
It would make more sense for this to be retrospective punishment. It's hard enough for refs to make penalty decisions without having to then decide if it was a dive (which they seemingly only do for people with reputations). It's much easier to spot on a replay, despite what Saint Neville says, and would save us from the ignorance of the commentators complaining that it's 'either a penalty or a yellow card for a dive', when it's mostly neither.

Give the benefit of the doubt back to the attacker and then review every incident resulting in a penalty; free kick within 35 yds or; booking for the defender - it can't be just the ones the media are interested in. First offence is 3 game ban, then 5, then 10. Any team who has three players caught in a season gets a 3 point penalty.

There'd be no diving by May.

There would be massive controversy.There are plenty of cases where there is contact and the player goes down but doesn't have to.Januzi's "fall" was a classic case.There was enough there for it to be a foul but he made more of it than he needed to and that's the problem.Probably the majority of players overdo the fall to try to make sure the ref gives it.There is always a lot of disagreement as it is between the so called experts.

It would be fun to be on a panel that decides if it's a dive or not.

Douglas Higginbottom wrote:
There would be massive controversy.There are plenty of cases where there is contact and the player goes down but doesn't have to.Januzi's "fall" was a classic case.There was enough there for it to be a foul but he made more of it than he needed to and that's the problem.Probably the majority of players overdo the fall to try to make sure the ref gives it.There is always a lot of disagreement as it is between the so called experts.

It would be fun to be on a panel that decides if it's a dive or not.

Why, so you could sit beside baconface?
;-)

To play devils advocate for a brief second, one of ours the other night got his heel nipped and momentarily lost balance, stayed up, lost the ball and we got fuck all.

Refs suck.

Douglas Higginbottom wrote:
There would be massive controversy.There are plenty of cases where there is contact and the player goes down but doesn't have to.Januzi's "fall" was a classic case.There was enough there for it to be a foul but he made more of it than he needed to and that's the problem.Probably the majority of players overdo the fall to try to make sure the ref gives it.There is always a lot of disagreement as it is between the so called experts.

It would be fun to be on a panel that decides if it's a dive or not.

I think that's a really important point you make and why no panel will ever sit to adjudicate dives or 'simulation'. Ex professionals as pundits talk about 'having the right to go down' under any contact, but nobody has ever defined exactly how that works, if contact constitutes a minor brush of leg against leg, how does that not translate to a penalty when a player is trying to wear the attacker's shirt. All part of the same problem to me in identifying transgressions inside the area.

Reality is that if you are fouled, you should fall down in a natural manner if indeed the contact is substantial enough to warrant hitting the deck. If you aren't fouled, you look like a cunt as you launch yourself into the air to do a triple salko in order to 'convince' the referee of the severity of the contact. Now for me, even if there has been a foul, this gymnastic shit of arched backs in midair, howls of agony, 5 rolls on the floor etc, are just as much simulation as a blatant dove, as it is simulating that the situation is worse than it actually was in order to influence the referees decision.

Richard Keyes was spot on this weekend, and several other times this season when he called out the ex-pros of Andy Gray and this week Alex McLeish for shying away from calling Welbeck and Januzaj cheats. He would never have had the balls to do it under sky, and particularly not against united, but clearly he has more freedom of expression in Qatar, which in itself shows half of the problem with British TV and punditry.

The fact that Keyes is calling it out as cheating on a foreign tv station, whereas the ex-pros like to call it simulation or whatever, shows the cultural problem that has evolved amongst the British media and particularly ex-pros of facing up to the issue.