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Beefymcfc wrote:WTF was that last night?

Nigels Tackle wrote:andre

Rag_hater wrote:I thought the EPL was supposed to be a physical league yet when someone touches one ofr our players our fans moan and moan.Seems that we are turning into Gooner fans.

gmercer1 wrote:

Rag_hater wrote:I thought the EPL was supposed to be a physical league yet when someone touches one ofr our players our fans moan and moan.Seems that we are turning into Gooner fans.

PL Physical?? Very rare now you get a good hard challenge that's not rewarded with a yellow card. If you fall and scream when a player is within 5 yards of you, you get a freekick.
Luckily we don't have to play that way!

Rag_hater wrote:

gmercer1 wrote:

Rag_hater wrote:I thought the EPL was supposed to be a physical league yet when someone touches one ofr our players our fans moan and moan.Seems that we are turning into Gooner fans.

PL Physical?? Very rare now you get a good hard challenge that's not rewarded with a yellow card. If you fall and scream when a player is within 5 yards of you, you get a freekick.
Luckily we don't have to play that way!

People go on about how players today are pussies,but yet fans want every bit of contact punished.Seems to me the fans are bigger pussies.

ross.mcfc wrote:

Rag_hater wrote:

gmercer1 wrote:

Rag_hater wrote:I thought the EPL was supposed to be a physical league yet when someone touches one ofr our players our fans moan and moan.Seems that we are turning into Gooner fans.

PL Physical?? Very rare now you get a good hard challenge that's not rewarded with a yellow card. If you fall and scream when a player is within 5 yards of you, you get a freekick.
Luckily we don't have to play that way!

People go on about how players today are pussies,but yet fans want every bit of contact punished.Seems to me the fans are bigger pussies.

100% agreed. One of my pet hates is fans chanting "off, off, off" at every tackle against one of their players. I utterly hate it when one of our players goes down and fans start booing because the opposition don't put the ball out of play.

Football fans get the game they deserve. This thread is about how shit the ref was which I agree with. He had to make two big calls last night and got them both wrong. Both worked in our favour.

dazby wrote:I actually didn't think he was all that bad. Not the best performance but he let the game flow. Had he of ignored his linos I may have a different opinion, but I thought he was ok.

What is 'deliberate' handball?

"Hand to ball or ball to hand?" Nothing stirs the passion like a controversial handball decision.

You've only got to look at players and managers jumping up and down enraged at a dodgy penalty to know that.

A ball slams into a player's arm and one team is screaming for a penalty, while the others are claiming it was an accident.

It's a tricky one for the referee to call in the heat of the moment.

So what is 'deliberate' handball?

In Fifa's Laws of the Game 2005, Law 12 says a free-kick or penalty will be awarded if a player "handles the ball deliberately (except for the goalkeeper within his own penalty area)".

Page 67 of the document gives "additional information for referees, assistant referees and fourth officials".

It adds: "Referees are reminded that deliberately handling the ball is normally punished only by a direct free-kick or penalty kick if the offence occurred inside the penalty area.

"A caution or dismissal is not normally required."

However, the document fails to describe what constitutes deliberate handball, which places the responsibility firmly on the referee and referees' assistants.

Former Premier League referee David Elleray said the referee's interpretation depends on whether the hand or arm is in an "unnatural" position at the point of contact.

"Referees look at two specifics - did the hand or arm go towards the ball or in a manner which would block the ball, or is the hand in a position where it would not normally be?" Elleray told BBC Sport.

"The challenging decisions are if the defending player spreads their arms to make themselves bigger.

"If the ball hits the arm then the referee must decide whether this action was to deliberately block the ball or whether the player has raised their arms to protect themselves - especially if the ball is hit at speed."

The referee and referees' assistants, therefore, have a matter of seconds to weigh up these factors, and take the appropriate action.

And there will always be at least one manager, 11 players and thousands of fans who will insist they have been hard done by.

Douglas Higginbottom wrote:

dazby wrote:I actually didn't think he was all that bad. Not the best performance but he let the game flow. Had he of ignored his linos I may have a different opinion, but I thought he was ok.

I'm in this camp dazzler except for one thing.He didn't seem to be aware of how Spurs started to get overly physical in their attempt to get into the game.The "challenge" on Aguero wasn't exactly a straight elbow but I do think it was overly physical.Adebayor on Demechelis just wasn't spotted but was very deliberate and the stamp on Silva I also thought was deliberate and Marriner just wasn't with it.

I can sort of understand not giving the penalty for hand ball even though the guy all but caught it.I don't think he meantto do it but clearly his hands were not in a natural position were they? Shame for Edin as that was one of very few he caught perfectly.As for the pen given we might have been a fraction lucky there but I understand that very slow motion shows that Edin's heel was clipped before Rose got to the ball. Another correct decision by the linesman.