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I think the injury to Fernandinho could be one too many.

I think we are going to struggle over the next month missing such a vital cog in our wheel. i don't see how we can carry on with this 4-4-2 in the big games with such an influential player missing for 4 weeks. Our frailties were brutally exposed last night for all to see. Midfield wise were forced to field Demichelis in the holding midfielder role, it says something that Pellegrini prefers an aging player who was blowing out of his arse after just 20 minutes over Millner and Rodwell.I don't buy this crap he was protecting Millner because he was returning from injury, he has had no qualms before throwing players like Aguero and Negredo obviously still in pain straight in to the mix.For me he simply doesn't rate either off these players, not even fielding them as substitutes late on was very telling, and then throwing Yay Ya up front to try salvage a point said it all.We only used one substitute in a game we lost

Bayern and Chelsea has shown we can be beat by flooding the midfield. The manager has said he will carry on with this system, in my opinion that is naive. I predict we carry on with this 4-4-2 with no flexibility and our current injury problems then our season could unfold dramatically over the coming weeks.

I am not buying in to this media wankfest over Chelsea, they were not that good. We were set up wrong from the start by Pellegrini and just shite.We play like that against Norwich we would struggle. I hope to God we don't go for Demichelis pairing Ya Ya at home to Barcelona or we will be murdered.

Don't understand why we didn't reinforce in January if the manager doesn't rate Milner and Rodwell, because now we are in the shit with Fernandinho injured.

The problem is that we have to break down the opposition in order to win.

Getting a draw against Chelsea would have been no problem.

We are not as bad as other teams, I know Nasri, Sergio and fernandinho are key players but we have a squad big enough to deal with this. Not playing Milner last night or should I say keeping faith with demichelis in that position in that formation was Pellegrinis fault. He got done by Maureen, plain and simple.

Look at the other teams Injuries, Arsenal For example have got a lot of key injuries

http://www.physioroom.com/news/english_ ... _table.php

Wonderwall wrote:We are not as bad as other teams, I know Nasri, Sergio and fernandinho are key players but we have a squad big enough to deal with this. Not playing Milner last night or should I say keeping faith with demichelis in that position in that formation was Pellegrinis fault. He got done by Maureen, plain and simple.

Look at the other teams Injuries, Arsenal For example have got a lot of key injuries.

We only have one Fernandinho.

I said when we signed him, that he was the player we needed.

We have a problem making a balanced team from the players we have fit. We should be ok in the league for the most part, but in the Champions Lg & the Cup, we have a big problem.

How long is he out for?

Dubciteh wrote:How long is he out for?

Could be a month according to the Count.

Now we see why we were after Fenando & Mangela in the transfer window.

Looking back we have just been suckered, we chased a game we might look at today with a view to letting them chase it without Ferny we could have sat back. I still think Silva missed the chance of the night, that would have changed the game and made Demichelis night easier.

Ted Hughes wrote:The problem is that we have to break down the opposition in order to win.

Getting a draw against Chelsea would have been no problem.

That should have been the objective in my opinion Ted.We were 3 points ahead off them lacking key players in key areas.It would have made more sense to change our system completely to reflect this.i would not nave criticized Pellegrini for doing this.I would hope that when we play Barcelona he plays a system that suites the players he has available rather than just rigidly sticking to his 4-4-2 and naively hoping to out gun them.Chelsea progressed against Barcelona by just defending like their life's depended on it and hitting them on the counter attack.

zabbadabbado wrote:

Ted Hughes wrote:The problem is that we have to break down the opposition in order to win.

Getting a draw against Chelsea would have been no problem.

That should have been the objective in my opinion Ted.We were 3 points ahead off them lacking key players in key areas.It would have made more sense to change our system completely to reflect this.i would not nave criticized Pellegrini for doing this.I would hope that when we play Barcelona he plays a system that suites the players he has available rather than just rigidly sticking to his 4-4-2 and naively hoping to out gun them.Chelsea progressed against Barcelona by just defending like their life's depended on it and hitting them on the counter attack.

Chelsea have much better defenders than we do.

Wonderwall wrote:We are not as bad as other teams, I know Nasri, Sergio and fernandinho are key players but we have a squad big enough to deal with this. Not playing Milner last night or should I say keeping faith with demichelis in that position in that formation was Pellegrinis fault. He got done by Maureen, plain and simple.

Look at the other teams Injuries, Arsenal For example have got a lot of key injuries

http://www.physioroom.com/news/english_ ... _table.php

I think our squad is not as good as it is made out tbh, we have a great first 11 players,as good if not better than the best teams in the World.Take them out off the equasion injured etc, then we have no real quality,i am not sure many off them would make it in to a mid-table Prem side

Hazy2 wrote:Looking back we have just been suckered, we chased a game we might look at today with a view to letting them chase it without Ferny we could have sat back. I still think Silva missed the chance of the night, that would have changed the game and made Demichelis night easier.

I think you have answered your own question.

Basically, we came out & ripped holes in them & missed. That was the game lost, not because of Demichelis or anything else. If we played ten men behind the ball & one fails to do his job, as with Palace at Arsenal, then it's plain to see why the plan didn't work.

Similarly, if you play an attacking team & your attackers can't hit a bull's arse with a banjo; there's the game over.

Ted Hughes wrote:

zabbadabbado wrote:

Ted Hughes wrote:The problem is that we have to break down the opposition in order to win.

Getting a draw against Chelsea would have been no problem.

That should have been the objective in my opinion Ted.We were 3 points ahead off them lacking key players in key areas.It would have made more sense to change our system completely to reflect this.i would not nave criticized Pellegrini for doing this.I would hope that when we play Barcelona he plays a system that suites the players he has available rather than just rigidly sticking to his 4-4-2 and naively hoping to out gun them.Chelsea progressed against Barcelona by just defending like their life's depended on it and hitting them on the counter attack.

Chelsea have much better defenders than we do.

I don't think the answer is to hope to out gun all opponents because our defense is shite.An attacking set up drawback like the 4-4-2 leaves defenders exposed anyway.

Ted Hughes wrote:

Hazy2 wrote:Looking back we have just been suckered, we chased a game we might look at today with a view to letting them chase it without Ferny we could have sat back. I still think Silva missed the chance of the night, that would have changed the game and made Demichelis night easier.

I think you have answered your own question.

Basically, we came out & ripped holes in them & missed. That was the game lost, not because of Demichelis or anything else. If we played ten men behind the ball & one fails to do his job, as with Palace at Arsenal, then it's plain to see why the plan didn't work.

Similarly, if you play an attacking team & your attackers can't hit a bull's arse with a banjo; there's the game over.

The rugby tactic of pushing up for cross field punts to Ivanovic was along with time wasting, Silva's miss was massive. Terry, and Cahill, had an easy night Negredo, was not fit and Jovetic, made an impact, we just missed a tap in and that is the fine line in these games.

Who would have thought one injury and we need Garcia.

Hazy2 wrote:

Ted Hughes wrote:

Hazy2 wrote:Looking back we have just been suckered, we chased a game we might look at today with a view to letting them chase it without Ferny we could have sat back. I still think Silva missed the chance of the night, that would have changed the game and made Demichelis night easier.

I think you have answered your own question.

Basically, we came out & ripped holes in them & missed. That was the game lost, not because of Demichelis or anything else. If we played ten men behind the ball & one fails to do his job, as with Palace at Arsenal, then it's plain to see why the plan didn't work.

Similarly, if you play an attacking team & your attackers can't hit a bull's arse with a banjo; there's the game over.

The rugby tactic of pushing up for cross field punts to Ivanovic was along with time wasting, Silva's miss was massive. Terry, and Cahill, had an easy night Negredo, was not fit and Jovetic, made an impact, we just missed a tap in and that is the fine line in these games.

That's actually quite funny; that one of the tactics which shows the genius of 'The Special One', was whacking long diagonals & having the wide player outjump the fullback & flick the ball inside.

'Scratches head' now where have I seen that before ? Oh yes; Stuart Pearce.

Ted Hughes wrote:

Hazy2 wrote:

Ted Hughes wrote:

Hazy2 wrote:Looking back we have just been suckered, we chased a game we might look at today with a view to letting them chase it without Ferny we could have sat back. I still think Silva missed the chance of the night, that would have changed the game and made Demichelis night easier.

I think you have answered your own question.

Basically, we came out & ripped holes in them & missed. That was the game lost, not because of Demichelis or anything else. If we played ten men behind the ball & one fails to do his job, as with Palace at Arsenal, then it's plain to see why the plan didn't work.

Similarly, if you play an attacking team & your attackers can't hit a bull's arse with a banjo; there's the game over.

The rugby tactic of pushing up for cross field punts to Ivanovic was along with time wasting, Silva's miss was massive. Terry, and Cahill, had an easy night Negredo, was not fit and Jovetic, made an impact, we just missed a tap in and that is the fine line in these games.

That's actually quite funny; that one of the tactics which shows the genius of 'The Special One', was whacking long diagonals & having the wide player outjump the fullback & flick the ball inside.

'Scratches head' now where have I seen that before ? Oh yes; Stuart Pearce.

It was as precise as anything seen at Twickenham, place the ball on boot made divet, and hoist it long across the pitch,Genius, what pissed me off was Kolarov wasting his time jumping and losing every header, Just a shit night all round and lessons to be learned Silva learn to finsish son it is the only weakness in his game.

Rodwell is going to have to step up and prove his worth. Or Jimmy is going to have to play in the centre with yaya

I was thinking the problem was 3 injuries.

As much as Navas is a good player, he's not Nasri, just not on the same level. Aguero instead of Dzeko and we score, of that I have no doubt and Fred instead of Demi, who I think was unfairly singled out last night playing 3 against 2 against a very good midfield. However, he doesn't have the engine Fred does and that sort of 100% energy is half the reason we've done as well dominating midfields in which we've been outnumbered.

However, we are in the business of the bigger picture now, we draw a line through this one and move on. Next game to worry about and Arsenal will fall away in the coming weeks leaving it to us and Chelsea to decide who wins the league.

If we want to single out anyone last night and I am not sure it's productive, but Pellegrini really needs a viable plan B. I think that's his weakness and a 4-5-1 is not the anti-christ of football and could have been used effectively against a counter attacking side like the one we faced last night.

Slim wrote:I was thinking the problem was 3 injuries.

As much as Navas is a good player, he's not Nasri, just not on the same level. Aguero instead of Dzeko and we score, of that I have no doubt and Fred instead of Demi, who I think was unfairly singled out last night playing 3 against 2 against a very good midfield. However, he doesn't have the engine Fred does and that sort of 100% energy is half the reason we've done as well dominating midfields in which we've been outnumbered.

However, we are in the business of the bigger picture now, we draw a line through this one and move on. Next game to worry about and Arsenal will fall away in the coming weeks leaving it to us and Chelsea to decide who wins the league.

If we want to single out anyone last night and I am not sure it's productive, but Pellegrini really needs a viable plan B. I think that's his weakness and a 4-5-1 is not the anti-christ of football and could have been used effectively against a counter attacking side like the one we faced last night.

I thought we should have gone for the 4-5-1,given how shit Dzeko and Negredo look when paired together.They just don't compliment each other the way Aguero and Negredo do.Plus whats the point in playing 2 front men for the full 90 minutes when it was obvious at half time we were being over run in midfield and they were getting no service at all.Nnobody would criticise him if he had persevered for 45 minutes before making changes.

Slim wrote:I was thinking the problem was 3 injuries.

As much as Navas is a good player, he's not Nasri, just not on the same level. Aguero instead of Dzeko and we score, of that I have no doubt and Fred instead of Demi, who I think was unfairly singled out last night playing 3 against 2 against a very good midfield. However, he doesn't have the engine Fred does and that sort of 100% energy is half the reason we've done as well dominating midfields in which we've been outnumbered.

However, we are in the business of the bigger picture now, we draw a line through this one and move on. Next game to worry about and Arsenal will fall away in the coming weeks leaving it to us and Chelsea to decide who wins the league.

If we want to single out anyone last night and I am not sure it's productive, but Pellegrini really needs a viable plan B. I think that's his weakness and a 4-5-1 is not the anti-christ of football and could have been used effectively against a counter attacking side like the one we faced last night.

As you have said moving on we need to tinker and not panic, fine margins the big games they coming thick and fast, every team has problems, Barca looked like a team ready to concede every time Valencia had the ball, we are a team who will repsond, I just think this defeat might mean another defeat in the Cup to them, as we have Barca a few days later and they have a free week. Which will have a wankfest going on around the media.