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An association is supposed to represent it's clubs, not evolve into some self-serving dictatorial body protecting the interests of few 'old guard' clubs and themselves.

Financial FAIR (haha) Play:

1) Prevents an owner from investing in his own business
2) Breaks basic European law
3) Allows the Glazers lo leech £600M out of a club, but prevents money and employment coming into the game and to local areas
4) Encourages clubs to be run just for profit to go to their owners, not to win trophies for the fans
5) Shamelessly protects old guard clubs from any competition, decreasing entertainment and excitement in national leagues
6) Allows 100,000 owners (socios) to put in money but forbids one (or 2, or 3, where is the line?)
7) Allows David Gill, still involved with Manchester United, to pass judgement on rivals in a blatant conflict of interests
8) Gives it's blessing to massive debts eg United, Barcelona, Real but very perversely prevents hard cash being put in the bank
9) Concentrates heavily on English clubs, whilst PSG seems immune due to being French like Platini
10) Will rebound on 'old guard' clubs who fall on hard times, when they find they cant invest money to get their status back
11) Forces clubs to screw fans for more and more money. EG Arsenal (who probably would anyway) and Man City (who probably wouldn't)
12) Refuses to answer any reasonable points against it - UEFA is right and that's that.
13) Has brought massive future problems at clubs like QPR, Blackburn and many Spanish clubs - how will they ever get out of debt?
14) Forces bizzarre commercial deals to drive up clubs' incomes, which also drives the inflation in the transfer market and wages.
15) Help keep power within the richest clubs with most fans
16) Is almost impossible to police
17) Ignores the basic priniple that football exists to win trophies, not for profit
18) proposes fining clubs who are, in theory, in financial difficulty - a masterstroke designed to keep the plebs in their place
19) Is already facing a legal challenge from an agent, reminiscent of Bosman, where stubborn football governors were brought crashing to earth
20) Allows arbitrary, corrupt and biased decisions at whether club sponsor deals are 'fair value'

I shamelessly bring you a copied comment today from blue_heart, writing to the Daily Fail on yet another City-will-get-clobbered-by-FFP article:

Blue_heart, Manchester, 5 hours ago
Personally I think UEFA should be kicked into row Z. They are the ones protecting the established top clubs with these ridiculous FFP rules. It's time for change and to bring in a governing body that just governs the competition and one that doesn't stick its nose into the running of clubs. FFP just opens up huge cans of worms and the possibility of bad practice. It's time for a new European Cup body to govern the competition. One that is fair on all entrants and one that allows change without restrictions on clubs trying to reach the top levels of the competition. Currently it stinks of something bad, we all know it and we all know it's not right in some way. Building a wall around those already know to get to the quarter final stages of the competition is wrong. It's time for change for sure and it's time to remove UEFA and bring in a less dictatorial body

Boxing did it, wrestling did it.

Lets get rid of Platini, Infantino and the 'old guard clybs' if need be.

A new association, one that allows clubs to compete with each other and win things for their fans.

GET RID OF UEFA!

If UEFA was really serious about "fair play" they'd introduce one thing, a salary cap...that's it.

Slim wrote:If UEFA was really serious about "fair play" they'd introduce one thing, a salary cap...that's it.

And make it something most clubs could afford.

What the old guard have done, is to re write history; that none of them ever needed an injection of cash to get them where they are (or just to keep them in business) & wheras the prime reason for bringing in these rules was supposed to be about protecting clubs from going bump, nobody even bothers to pretend that's what it is about anymore. Most of the time, nobody even mentions it.

You have constant whinging from the likes of Arsenal fans & their friends in the media, that City are 'cheating'. Now. shamelessly, even Mourinho has jumped on that bandwaggon. If there could be anything to prove how insincere this legislation really is, then that is it.

A club which had been financed by the money of Matthew Harding to compete at the top end of the table, was 80 million in debt, with no means of paying it, bought by a rich Russian owner, & winning the league with his backing, a few seasons later, under Mourinho. Now, because it suits everyone, that is cheating, so Chelsea want us penalised for doing what they did.

They Old guard are desperately trying to prevent people from putting money into our club, & have changed the rules to stop us doing it. The sin of investing in a football club, needs punishing.

In the long run FFP won't affect City. In 3/4 years when the production line of the academy is in full swing I reckon 2 or 3 first teamers will be our own. Maybe even more. Certainly we'll get transfer fees for those that don't make it.

All the commercial deals are stacking up and improving year on year and we haven't really begun to tap into the lucrative fan bases of the far east. They are still mainly old guard top 4.

Our team is almost ready made whereas rags, dippers and the arse have to spend big to bring their squads up to speed. We just need tweaking a little bit in defence so I doubt we'll spend big. Unless Messi does become available as I believe we would go for him, not least as a marketing tool.

Let the others worry about FFP (if indeed it actually happens), as imo we are well set to ride the storm

nottsblue wrote:In the long run FFP won't affect City. In 3/4 years when the production line of the academy is in full swing I reckon 2 or 3 first teamers will be our own. Maybe even more. Certainly we'll get transfer fees for those that don't make it.

All the commercial deals are stacking up and improving year on year and we haven't really begun to tap into the lucrative fan bases of the far east. They are still mainly old guard top 4.

Our team is almost ready made whereas rags, dippers and the arse have to spend big to bring their squads up to speed. We just need tweaking a little bit in defence so I doubt we'll spend big. Unless Messi does become available as I believe we would go for him, not least as a marketing tool.

Let the others worry about FFP (if indeed it actually happens), as imo we are well set to ride the storm

FFP was never going to get us.

But that doesn't stop it from being disgusting. And the worse fact imo, is the constant harping on about 'cheating' by the very people who are doing the cheating.

Is it 'cheating' to invest money in a business ? No. Is it 'cheating' for a group of other businesses to use their influence to try & prevent a competitor from getting investment ? Yes.

THEY are cheating. But they have all but succeeded in getting the media to class clubs who have owners with money, as cheats. Unless of course the cheating took place in the recent or more distant past, THEN it's ok.

It's bad for football. Every league could end up like the Bundesliga currently is.

Who appoints a*holes like Twatini and Bladder ? Are they elected ? By who ? For how long ? Can't we just kick the bastards out ?

RodneyRodney wrote:Who appoints a*holes like Twatini and Bladder ? Are they elected ? By who ? For how long ? Can't we just kick the bastards out ?

People equally, or even more, bent & full of self interest that they are.

What particular unique genius does David Gill possess, that he gets a job working for UEFA in spite of an obvious conflict of interests ?

The answer: Manchester Utd want him there, so they have received a favour & will help support those who have given it.

David Gill is working on behalf of Utd, at UEFA. Platini has already talked about Ferguson doing the same. That will be repaid, by them using their influence to support him.

Yep.

It wont last anyway. Too many rich clubs with too much interest will end up ganging together and sorting out a new competition which will be heavily invested in.

It'll be alright.

If the biggest clubs in the World broke away and formed their own association that would be the only way to be free of cunts like twatini and bladder. Darts players did it when they left the BDO and formed the PDC. It can be done it but it needs Europe's biggest clubs to instigate it.

Not to mention how Switzerland managed to get into the top seven seeds for the world cup...

Lobster bisque anyone?

Didn't realise the Glazers were up to £600M, they are sapping that cash out of the game and people see Sheikh Mansour as the problem.

No, no the guy who just dumped £1b into the game with no hope of it ever being returned is the evil villain in this piece.

Slim wrote:Didn't realise the Glazers were up to £600M, they are sapping that cash out of the game and people see Sheikh Mansour as the problem.

No, no the guy who just dumped £1b into the game with no hope of it ever being returned is the evil villain in this piece.

And not just the game...into a community as well.

The hipocracy makes me sick and angry. Like others have said it is so blantely obviously it is to protect the old guard and not to stop clubs going bankrupt.

Ted Hughes wrote:

RodneyRodney wrote:Who appoints a*holes like Twatini and Bladder ? Are they elected ? By who ? For how long ? Can't we just kick the bastards out ?

People equally, or even more, bent & full of self interest that they are.

What particular unique genius does David Gill possess, that he gets a job working for UEFA in spite of an obvious conflict of interests ?

The answer: Manchester Utd want him there, so they have received a favour & will help support those who have given it.

David Gill is working on behalf of Utd, at UEFA. Platini has already talked about Ferguson doing the same. That will be repaid, by them using their influence to support him.

So if they are not democratically elected - then - what the hell chance has it ("FFP") got of standing up in court ?

If I was our owner Id start beating the drum about the possibility of setting up a rival competition with more money than the CL one if they start to fuck with us.

In fact I reckon its been a topic of conversation at one time or other in our board meetings.

On top of this shit we have a Munchenhausen threatening us....incredible how this conflict of interest can actually be allowed.

Fiddling fucks, just the thought of those fat cunts sticking their noses in the troff makes my blood boil.

Btw Bayern boss Hoeness has an appointment with a judge and jury this week. It's not looking to good for him.