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I'm going back two seasons now & I recon that the reason Aguero doesn't score 40 goals every season, is because he is carrying an injury more often than not.

When he is fully fit, he is two yards faster, stronger, more mobile & has a shot like a cannonball.
Typically, he is somewhere between that level, & tonight, where he was rubbish. I recon it's 90% down to fitness.

When we signed him, he was injured. He was then fantastic, then suddenly seemed less effective for a period. I posted on here at the time, that when you saw a head & shoulders shot of him leaving the pitch, say at half time, you could see that his shoulders were not moving in balance, like he is limping on one side.

I have spotted that kind of thing regularly since then. Again on Sunday, he wasn't moving properly & I predicted a problem.

When he is fully fit, he chases, like Tevez. Most of the time we just see him doing half of that. I recon we have a player who is on a similar level to Ronaldo or Messi, but 80% of the time we see him on the pitch, he isn't fit.

It has been going on for almost 3 seasons, so we are probably going to see it continue. Theefore we need to find an alternative player to replace him & let him rest more, rather than play him all the time & get him injured.

We rely on him way too much

I remember your thread well Ted and I agreed with it totally then and still do now. I don't know if' it's to do with this sports science training, but we seem to have our fair share of glass footballers at the club, this massively puts pressure on other players when the game are being played every third day.........What's the solution. Change the training programme, offload the glassbacks or both?

Bluedj wrote:I remember your thread well Ted and I agreed with it totally then and still do now. I don't know if' it's to do with this sports science training, but we seem to have our fair share of glass footballers at the club, this massively puts pressure on other players when the game are being played every third day.........What's the solution. Change the training programme, offload the glassbacks or both?

With Aguero I think it's managing his games better. Play him a couple of games then leave him out. If we have 3 big games in a week, play him in two. If one went into extra time, play him only for half of a game in the other two.

If the team can't cope, find the right players who can. This goes for the likes of Vinny/Silva/Yaya too. If they have done a lot of work; rest them. Sign or bring through players who are good enough to take over, & sell the ones who aren't.

But Aguero in particular needs sorting. He is our Messi.

Did he come off injured last night Or was he just not fully fit and playing shit?

Sad to say, but Sergio was injury prone at Atletico too.

I think we forced him again last night in a game that really was lost from the start. We really have this ”talent” to buy players that got themselves injured at the first chance they have. Look at that cunt Hazard, no injury since he came at Chelsea and he played a shit load of games.

PeterParker wrote:Sad to say, but Sergio was injury prone at Atletico too.

I think we forced him again last night in a game that really was lost from the start. We really have this ”talent” to buy players that got themselves injured at the first chance they have. Look at that cunt Hazard, no injury since he came at Chelsea and he played a shit load of games.

Aguero is one of the best signings in the history of the club.

Ted Hughes wrote:

PeterParker wrote:Sad to say, but Sergio was injury prone at Atletico too.

I think we forced him again last night in a game that really was lost from the start. We really have this ”talent” to buy players that got themselves injured at the first chance they have. Look at that cunt Hazard, no injury since he came at Chelsea and he played a shit load of games.

Aguero is one of the best signings in the history of the club.

No doubt, but he never was fit for a full season like Tranny or Messi were.

PeterParker wrote:

Ted Hughes wrote:

PeterParker wrote:Sad to say, but Sergio was injury prone at Atletico too.

I think we forced him again last night in a game that really was lost from the start. We really have this ”talent” to buy players that got themselves injured at the first chance they have. Look at that cunt Hazard, no injury since he came at Chelsea and he played a shit load of games.

Aguero is one of the best signings in the history of the club.

No doubt, but he never was fit for a full season like Tranny or Messi were.

No, so we need to find another player who does a similar job, even if they are not quite at his level.

Ted Hughes wrote:

PeterParker wrote:

Ted Hughes wrote:

PeterParker wrote:Sad to say, but Sergio was injury prone at Atletico too.

I think we forced him again last night in a game that really was lost from the start. We really have this ”talent” to buy players that got themselves injured at the first chance they have. Look at that cunt Hazard, no injury since he came at Chelsea and he played a shit load of games.

Aguero is one of the best signings in the history of the club.

No doubt, but he never was fit for a full season like Tranny or Messi were.

No, so we need to find another player who does a similar job, even if they are not quite at his level.

Well, that was Jovetic, but that became worse. I should still try and cash in Higuain, he is a player that can do here and has no injury problems from what i recall.

Just looking at this: Aguero, Jovetic, Rodwell, Nastasic, Kompany, Richards. Change let's say four of them (not Vinnie and Sergio of course) with actual players that are fit and we would had been clear up front in the table.

Kevin Keegan reckoned he needed six strikers to be able to manage to get through a season, given all the inevitable injuries and loss of form which will occur.

I tend to think he might have been right in regard to this, especially the way our campaign has gone.

Mikhail Chigorin wrote:Kevin Keegan reckoned he needed six strikers to be able to manage to get through a season, given all the inevitable injuries and loss of form which will occur.

I tend to think he might have been right in regard to this, especially the way our campaign has gone.

It's not feasible though given the restrictions on squad size.

we have been (are) in the process of pulling a torres on aguero at the moment. Bringing him back from every injury sooner than anyone expects to be possible ... it's because he's not fully fit and not ready to return, but forced into it. I hope we don't neuter him like rafa did torres.

Foreverinbluedreams wrote:

Mikhail Chigorin wrote:Kevin Keegan reckoned he needed six strikers to be able to manage to get through a season, given all the inevitable injuries and loss of form which will occur.

I tend to think he might have been right in regard to this, especially the way our campaign has gone.

It's not feasible though given the restrictions on squad size.

We need to have more midfielders who can score. Apart from Yaya our midfielders are pretty light weight in this respect. Isco/Hazard would have made a huge contribution.

When he came back the last time I thought we had taken plenty of time to get him fit and he looked really sharp from the off.This time it seems he might not have been right.He certainly didn't look great on his first return and 2 matches later he pulls up apparently after just a few minutes.

So maybe this time he was brought back a bit quick and that's because the other 3 we have ( we do have 3 others don't we?) had all gone missing in one way or another.

Any update on Aguero anyone?

Is it his hamstring?

How long is he out for?

Was it just cautionary?

Or an excuse maybe to take him off, given he was having a seriously off day?

If you notice a lot of our injuries of a muscular nature are re-occurrences of the same injury, which is something that is not unrealistic. Once you strain a hamstring you are more likely to strain it again. Maybe in the same spot, maybe another spot that was weakened by the first injury. Additionally, muscle injuries aren't always at the point of the injury, so a person with an imbalance in their left calf can easily strain a hamstring muscle on the same side, or even the other side due to compensating for the imbalance.

Kompany has had quite a few different injuries, Aguero and Jovetic seem to be repeating the same one. I suspect a lot of Micah's issues come from his knee issues in the past. I recently strained my hamstring, and have had calf issues in the past, and I am certain after much diagnosis by doctors and physios that the issue is with my feet (gait) and not where my injuries are. While I have remained relatively healthy because I have work on my feet and supporting muscles, things still happen. Granted I am older and not an elite athlete, the body does what the body does.

Sport medicine has advanced, training as well, but football is a high intensity sport, once you have an injury, you can do the best you can to prevent it, but they will still happen, and possibly more frequently.

AG7 wrote:Any update on Aguero anyone?

Is it his hamstring?

How long is he out for?

Was it just cautionary?

Or an excuse maybe to take him off, given he was having a seriously off day?

“I felt something in my left leg in the run with Messi at the start of the game,” said the Argentine.
“I tried to continue, but at halftime I didn’t want to run any more risks.”

Florida Blue wrote:If you notice a lot of our injuries of a muscular nature are re-occurrences of the same injury, which is something that is not unrealistic. Once you strain a hamstring you are more likely to strain it again. Maybe in the same spot, maybe another spot that was weakened by the first injury. Additionally, muscle injuries aren't always at the point of the injury, so a person with an imbalance in their left calf can easily strain a hamstring muscle on the same side, or even the other side due to compensating for the imbalance.

Kompany has had quite a few different injuries, Aguero and Jovetic seem to be repeating the same one. I suspect a lot of Micah's issues come from his knee issues in the past. I recently strained my hamstring, and have had calf issues in the past, and I am certain after much diagnosis by doctors and physios that the issue is with my feet (gait) and not where my injuries are. While I have remained relatively healthy because I have work on my feet and supporting muscles, things still happen. Granted I am older and not an elite athlete, the body does what the body does.

Sport medicine has advanced, training as well, but football is a high intensity sport, once you have an injury, you can do the best you can to prevent it, but they will still happen, and possibly more frequently.

Aguero was holding his shins a lot & grimacing on Sunday. Whether he was having pains there, stretching his muscles or hoping to get a photo in Vis Comic's 'Up The Arse Corner' I don't know. But something was going on.

Mikhail Chigorin wrote:Kevin Keegan reckoned he needed six strikers to be able to manage to get through a season, given all the inevitable injuries and loss of form which will occur. I tend to think he might have been right in regard to this, especially the way our campaign has gone.

Keegan would have played all 6 in the same team, two of them would have been fullbacks