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Is the cynical destruction of games actually what is required sometimes? The contrast with our light weight naivite at Anfield could not be greater.

getdressedmctavish wrote:Is the cynical destruction of games actually what is required sometimes? The contrast with our light weight naivite at Anfield could not be greater.

I don't like Maureen but you have to hand it to him tactically for the big game he gets it right all too often for it to be coincidence. I don't agree re 'cynical destruction' and I don't necessarily agree 100% with the allegations of hypocrisy being levelled at him by the media and in particular by Brendan Rodgers.

This 'parked two buses' comment from Rodgers is simply a case of sour grapes - he refers of course to Chelsea's 0-0 draw at home to West Ham and Maureens post match comments about West Hams overtly negative tactics in playing for 0-0.

The difference of course is Chelsea played for a win at Anfield and it was mission accomplished using the counter to good effect (assist from Gerrard accepted). You can't moan about a teams negative approach to a game if they end up with the most positive outcome possible ffs.

I am not big fan off his style of football either, but it wins trophies.

Liverpool fans are moaning about his defensive style. I mean seriously what the fuck did they want him to do. Turn up at Anfield go on the attack and get dry bummed ?.He went there to play for a point. If Rodgers had not been such a fucking idiot with his predictable high octane attacking style, Liverpool could have got a point. That was all Liverpool actually needed from that game. They only have their selves to blame for that result. their manager needed to be more pragmatic, his own naivety cost him 3 points in a game where 1 point would have done in my opinion.

I think pellegrini needs to be more pragmatic in some games. Starting with Everton on Saturday pack the middle against Martinez side. I think he cost us the first 45 minutes against Liverpool with his tactics. He wins us this title he will no longer ever be known as the nearly man, only a double winner. We have to set up differently in some games Mourinho does this a lot. He has got Chelsea to a semi final in the Champions League without a decent striker. Some achievement.

getdressedmctavish wrote:Is the cynical destruction of games actually what is required sometimes? The contrast with our light weight naivite at Anfield could not be greater.

Of course it is. He sets out to destroy any rhythm the opposition might need to swing the game in their favour. Teams like us, Liverpool, Barcelona need to be knocked out of their stride and be dragged down to their level for the first 30, then he can start to chip away at them properly.

He is a total master of getting the tactics right for the game, and unfairly he is this portrayed as negative, where the reality is that Chelsea are only 'negative' in the must win games, and they are actually very enjoyable to watch in the remainder.

Mancini sort of tried to copy the approach, but largely set out to destroy the rhythm of every team we played which was generally unnecessary a when most of te teams we played parked the bus and so never had a rhythm in the first place. That's the key difference between the two managers for me

Im_Spartacus wrote:

getdressedmctavish wrote:Is the cynical destruction of games actually what is required sometimes? The contrast with our light weight naivite at Anfield could not be greater.

Of course it is. He sets out to destroy any rhythm the opposition might need to swing the game in their favour. Teams like us, Liverpool, Barcelona need to be knocked out of their stride and be dragged down to their level for the first 30, then he can start to chip away at them properly.

He is a total master of getting the tactics right for the game, and unfairly he is this portrayed as negative, where the reality is that Chelsea are only 'negative' in the must win games, and they are actually very enjoyable to watch in the remainder.

Mancini sort of tried to copy the approach, but largely set out to destroy the rhythm of every team we played which was generally unnecessary a when most of te teams we played parked the bus and so never had a rhythm in the first place. That's the key difference between the two managers for me

The main difference between Mourinho and Mancini is that Mourinhos teams will run through a brick wall for him. There seems to be a genuine affection between him and his players. I rarely hear an ex player talk about how much he liked Mancini.

I had zero problem with Pearce parking the bus away from home when he was our manager, sometimes a 1-0 win in that manner is more satisfying than a 5-0.

Chelsea have taken 6 points from both us and Liverpool. A good defensive team will always beat a good attacking team. We are lucky they don't have an out and out goal scorer or this league may have been over by Xmas.

We are going to have step it up a notch next season to stay with them.

ross.mcfc wrote:
The main difference between Mourinho and Mancini is that Mourinhos teams will run through a brick wall for him. There seems to be a genuine affection between him and his players. I rarely hear an ex player talk about how much he liked Mancini.

I had zero problem with Pearce parking the bus away from home when he was our manager, sometimes a 1-0 win in that manner is more satisfying than a 5-0.

Chelsea have taken 6 points from both us and Liverpool. A good defensive team will always beat a good attacking team. We are lucky they don't have an out and out goal scorer or this league may have been over by Xmas.

We are going to have step it up a notch next season to stay with them.

Last season under Mancini we took the points. Maureen wasn't there though .

However i can't accept the argument that mo's players will run through brick walls and Rob's won't. We have seen his side many times park the bus,so to speak and the team did work for Roberto.

This season mo got lucky twice against us that's about it.

neither did mo's team park the bus on those occasions.

The amount of bullshit spread about his tactics at Anfield is mind boggling. All he did, is what Pearce did every week, but with better players. It wasn't counter attacking, it was bus parking & hope.

Could we have done the same ? Yes. Should we be doing the same ? Absolutely not. Why ? Because Liverpool aren't that good. We should have been tighter & played on the counter, not played like Bobby Gould.

On another day, Suarez leathers one in from 30 yards & the tactics go up in flames. Gerrard had about 5 clear, unmarked shooting opportunities on the edge of their box, only hit the target once. Gerrard gave Ba the ball to create Chelsea's goal. Why ? Mourinho ?

Why didn't Suarez hit the target with any long range efforts like he has been doing all season ? Why didn't Gerrard ? Why did Gerrard give away a goal like you have never ever seen him do in 20 odd years ? Mourinho ?

PRESSURE. They had the title to win rather than being 2nd favourites & their arses went. Even the 2nd goal was a total fuck up by Liverpool giving the ball away.

Mourinho just parked the bus & kicked the ball away, like Pearce, Fat Sam, Pulis, Dave Bassett. Liverpool did the rest.

It's got fuck all to do with Mourinho. Ancelotti won the Champions League, beating Barca & Bayern Munich, playing exactly the same way. If your luck's in, you can play like that & get a result. Pearce did; we stayed up.

As a football fan it disgusts me to see Mourinho being celebrated as a master tactician, he's a master spoiler, a glorified BFS. Imagine there were more of his ilk at the top clubs, it would destroy the game.

Foreverinbluedreams wrote:As a football fan it disgusts me to see Mourinho being celebrated as a master tactician, he's a master spoiler, a glorified BFS. Imagine there were more of his ilk at the top clubs, it would destroy the game.

Exactly.

He can do what he does, so long as everyone else doesn't do the same. Imagine if Rodgers went 'ok we'll take a point'.

Liverpool still favourites for the title, Chelsea out of the race.

He's just relying on others not wanting to play like him.

Rafa Benitez wouldn't have lost that game.

Foreverinbluedreams wrote:As a football fan it disgusts me to see Mourinho being celebrated as a master tactician, he's a master spoiler, a glorified BFS. Imagine there were more of his ilk at the top clubs, it would destroy the game.

well said, while more often than not it works, its still horrible stuff.

he has an owner who will decide that is not to his taste soon I imagine, also the game tonight might leave one manager looking for a new job so maybe we might see some big changes I guess the scum are waiting for the fall out after the result.

Hazy2 wrote:he has an owner who will decide that is not to his taste soon I imagine, also the game tonight might leave one manager looking for a new job so maybe we might see some big changes I guess the scum are waiting for the fall out after the result.

I would imagine Abramovic will be perfectly happy with this season's efforts from Mourinho, as our owner will be with the Count. Both have contested the title in their first season. The fact that they have the best squads is of course a huge factor, but even so, they have stayed involved til the last few weeks, Count has won a trophy, Mourinho is in with a good chance of the Champs Lg; both will get another shot next season. (Unless Mourinho picks a fight in order to get sacked).

There was that strange remark that he was only the manager and other people decided on squad selection so he didn't know what squad he would be allowed to pick for the Dippers match. Could be a sign of underlying tensions leading to a sacking/ resignation or it could be Mourinho being Mourinho.

blues2win wrote:There was that strange remark that he was only the manager and other people decided on squad selection so he didn't know what squad he would be allowed to pick for the Dippers match. Could be a sign of underlying tensions leading to a sacking/ resignation or it could be Mourinho being Mourinho.

Just being a cunt & covering his own back as always. If he rests players & loses, he's just making sure everyone knows it's not his fault. If he wins, he's a hero.

Ted Hughes wrote:

blues2win wrote:There was that strange remark that he was only the manager and other people decided on squad selection so he didn't know what squad he would be allowed to pick for the Dippers match. Could be a sign of underlying tensions leading to a sacking/ resignation or it could be Mourinho being Mourinho.

Just being a cunt & covering his own back as always. If he rests players & loses, he's just making sure everyone knows it's not his fault. If he wins, he's a hero.

Cunt yes, gets the job done yes, without him this would have been a nothing end to a Scousefest. Now we have a chance to win it, what could the fallout be for us if god forbid we blow it.

Hazy2 wrote:

Ted Hughes wrote:

blues2win wrote:There was that strange remark that he was only the manager and other people decided on squad selection so he didn't know what squad he would be allowed to pick for the Dippers match. Could be a sign of underlying tensions leading to a sacking/ resignation or it could be Mourinho being Mourinho.

Just being a cunt & covering his own back as always. If he rests players & loses, he's just making sure everyone knows it's not his fault. If he wins, he's a hero.

Cunt yes, gets the job done yes, without him this would have been a nothing end to a Scousefest. Now we have a chance to win it, what could the fallout be for us if god forbid we blow it.

Same goes for Gerrard.

Sadly, in so many ways, this season was built for this City squad and Mancini's mindset to win the league.

Not a wind up.

Doesn't mean i haven't enjoyed our display way more this season.

ross.mcfc wrote:

Im_Spartacus wrote:

getdressedmctavish wrote:Is the cynical destruction of games actually what is required sometimes? The contrast with our light weight naivite at Anfield could not be greater.

Of course it is. He sets out to destroy any rhythm the opposition might need to swing the game in their favour. Teams like us, Liverpool, Barcelona need to be knocked out of their stride and be dragged down to their level for the first 30, then he can start to chip away at them properly.

He is a total master of getting the tactics right for the game, and unfairly he is this portrayed as negative, where the reality is that Chelsea are only 'negative' in the must win games, and they are actually very enjoyable to watch in the remainder.

Mancini sort of tried to copy the approach, but largely set out to destroy the rhythm of every team we played which was generally unnecessary a when most of te teams we played parked the bus and so never had a rhythm in the first place. That's the key difference between the two managers for me

The main difference between Mourinho and Mancini is that Mourinhos teams will run through a brick wall for him. There seems to be a genuine affection between him and his players. I rarely hear an ex player talk about how much he liked Mancini.

I had zero problem with Pearce parking the bus away from home when he was our manager, sometimes a 1-0 win in that manner is more satisfying than a 5-0.

Chelsea have taken 6 points from both us and Liverpool. A good defensive team will always beat a good attacking team. We are lucky they don't have an out and out goal scorer or this league may have been over by Xmas.

We are going to have step it up a notch next season to stay with them.

I hope you're wrong on this.

Perhaps the optimist in me always reckons that a good attacking side will always carry the day and defence is, in reality, only of a secondary importance.

The trouble is though, I fear you might be right.

DoomMerchant wrote:Sadly, in so many ways, this season was built for this City squad and Mancini's mindset to win the league.

Not a wind up.

Doesn't mean i haven't enjoyed our display way more this season.

Don't forget, Mancini's eventual mindset involved playing Nastasic & sometimes 3 at the back.

Mancini's title winning side is a different matter, that would have won it, but he dismantled that at the start of last season, or we probably would have won the title then as well.

Ted Hughes wrote:

DoomMerchant wrote:Sadly, in so many ways, this season was built for this City squad and Mancini's mindset to win the league.

Not a wind up.

Doesn't mean i haven't enjoyed our display way more this season.

Don't forget, Mancini's eventual mindset involved playing Nastasic & sometimes 3 at the back.

Mancini's title winning side is a different matter, that would have won it, but he dismantled that at the start of last season, or we probably would have won the title then as well.

yeah i still don't understand that act of hubris, but...here we are.

i think Mancini's mindset isn't that different than other more "tactical" managers such as Rafa, Jose, or Anchovie, so i'm not sure his back three was anything more than experimentation to take things to the next level. Titrating in the lab in his mind i'm sure.

It'll be interesting to find out if the likes of Pep, the Count and Brendan "fucking" Rodgers will have their say in the next few years by being stubborn attacking cunts ("we play one way" - unless the Count shits a brick at home v Barca of course) or if the more conservative/"results-oriented" and faux-analytical minds prevail.

I like it. It's good for the league. I just wish that there were more managers like Mancini and Rafa in the Prem right now instead of Pardew, and Allardyce. THAT'S what FFP should be encouraging, not this fucking entitlement/penalties/mafioso bollox. Finding great investors to invest in clubs and communities for the long-term, like the Sheik is doing.

cheers