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Is it time to say thank you and farewell to Rooney on the International stage. Just hasn't cut the mustard for some time now, especially when it really counts. We have alternative options with younger, fresher, more hungry players.

Or, is he worth perservering with?

nottsblue wrote:Is it time to say thank you and farewell to Rooney on the International stage. Just hasn't cut the mustard for some time now, especially when it really counts. We have alternative options with younger, fresher, more hungry players.

Or, is he worth perservering with?

Thats just the problem. He may well be an over rated bag o pus, but we have so few options.

nottsblue wrote:Is it time to say thank you and farewell to Rooney on the International stage. Just hasn't cut the mustard for some time now, especially when it really counts. We have alternative options with younger, fresher, more hungry players.

Or, is he worth perservering with?

Yes, but without the thank you

Blue Since 76 wrote:
Yes, but without the thank you

To be fair 39 goals is not shabby. Deserves a bit of credit. I know football can be ruthless at times but you can do things with class. Look at Lescotts departure for instance

I'm starting to think so.
Problem is for the Rags he is class, he gets on the ball, dominates games, makes things happen and scores good and important goals. He plays with so much confidence for them and as Ted said is one of the best opponents we've faced in the PL.

Put him in an England shirt and he plays like Corradi. Utter shite. The argument or keeping him in the side is that he is arguably our only top international player and he is capable of producing something special but he hasn't produced anything special for England for years now. How long do we persevere? Can we keep a player in the side who does nothing for the majority of a game just because they might do something good once every 8 games?

It's frustrating as hell. I remember seeing him as a teenager in Euro 2004 play without fear and completely dominate, scare and take on teams, he hasn't done that since.

He won't be dropped though but I really hope that in the next game he reacts and proves his worth, he is capable but if he can't show it now he can fuck off.

All of the above applies to Gerrard also.

Either you play Rooney in his best positions or you don't play him at all. Lallana's a better bet on the left and will offer better protection for Baines who needed it. So he should either play up front replacing Sturridge which ain't gonna happen or off Sturridege in the centre. That said he was in the centre when he missed that sitter in the second half.

You look for something extra from your senior and so called better players, leadership and responsibility as much as anything else.

When it gets rough you want to see him dig in and set the standard - so what does he do? He's struggling to contain them down the left, so he winges to the bench during the first half and what do you know he's shifted to the right side for the second half, shirking responsibility and leaving it to someone else.

Then he misses that chance - not even on target

Lets move forward without him - too often found wanting on the big occasion at international level, we now have other players with talent happy to step up, we shouldn't build a team that accommodates him as it holds us back. Even Linekar dared to suggest as much, before defaulting to 'devils advocate' setting

nottsblue wrote:

Blue Since 76 wrote:
Yes, but without the thank you

To be fair 39 goals is not shabby. Deserves a bit of credit. I know football can be ruthless at times but you can do things with class. Look at Lescotts departure for instance

Analyse the 39 goals, who they were scored against and where. It doesnt render the tally irrelevant, but does not make him irreplaceable. will he add to it by scoring or coming up with something in the remaining two games or are others just as likely to?. Id drop him.

How many goals in any wc has he scoredin?
Hes shite in an england shirt, although he sells shirts so the fa are obliged to pick him along with gerrard

dick dastardley wrote:How many goals in any wc has he scoredin? Hes shite in an england shirt, although he sells shirts so the fa are obliged to pick him along with gerrard

Zero goals in World Cup finals. I think this is his third World Cup. Not good enough. But I hope he stays playing with England and knackers himself every time. In fact the only finals tournament he has scored in was Euro 2004 which is a long time ago now.

Why is Rooney playing on the left?

Retarded. If he wants to play him make him your no 10 and stop fucking around.

Fingers crossed

DoomMerchant wrote:Why is Rooney playing on the left?

Retarded. If he wants to play him make him your no 10 and stop fucking around.

Hodgson said he wanted Sterling to be around Pirlo thinking that he would run him into ground.

Florida Blue wrote:
Hodgson said he wanted Sterling to be around Pirlo thinking that he would run him into ground.

Right. Mistake number 1 I guess..sterling did fine but he clearly didn't do that job.

Well shrek now Deffo OWNS the worst ever corner taken at the World Cup award .

City64 wrote:Well shrek now Deffo OWNS the worst ever corner taken at the World Cup award .

It can only be the abject state of the pitch and a sudden and unexpectedly strong gust of wind which caused such an inexplicable aberration to occur......either that, or he did it on purpose to make himself look even more of a pathetically ridiculous laughing-stock than he already is.

DoomMerchant wrote:

Florida Blue wrote:
Hodgson said he wanted Sterling to be around Pirlo thinking that he would run him into ground.

Right. Mistake number 1 I guess..sterling did fine but he clearly didn't do that job.

Didn't get anywhere near him. Rooney would do that much better if asked.

What should have happened, is that Rooney should have started on the bench, then with 20-30 mins to go & the oppo defence getting tired, you bring him on & he has the chance to be a hero. If he succeeds, you don't start him, you do exactly the same next game & so on.

Never mind how good he CAN be, look at how he has performed in the warm ups and that first match - on current form he doesn't deserve to be in the starting eleven. His only decent contribution was the cross for the goal.

Not according to some. Just reading the Bleacher report and they've given Rooney an 8 in the first half and 7 for the 2nd half, the exact same as Marchisio!

Beefymcfc wrote:Not according to some. Just reading the Bleacher report and they've given Rooney an 8 in the first half and 7 for the 2nd half, the exact same as Marchisio!

The Times gave him 6. More than Hart or Baines and the same as a number of the Italians. Do the reporters actually watch the game, or are they too busy writing it up as they go along, thus not really following the action or lack of it in Shreks case