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If he is not fit enough to play for us why is he expected to play for France v Spain today?

Unless of course he was boderline for last weekend.

Exactly that I would say. I reckon he may only play 60 minutes today, but you never know on internationals. The managers seem to play them no matter what

Great news he 's playing. He needs game time. Fingers crossed for no injuries of course.

He's on the bench.

Dameerto wrote:He's on the bench.

That's a step up from where hes been for us this past month.

Am beginning to think hes the modern day Matias Vuoso.

Goaters 103 wrote:

Dameerto wrote:He's on the bench.

That's a step up from where hes been for us this past month.

Am beginning to think hes the modern day Matias Vuoso.

for france we are talking about, right?

which is where he's already been, no?

debuchy -- who is older, more of a finished product/experienced -- starts and he does not.

we got him in part for his potential, right?

i am not worried at this point about this. he will get game time, and pellegrini says he has to work for his place, which sounds good to me.

But that was a hell of a lot of money to splash out on potential and I think that's the nub of the issue

We could always pay 18 mil for another Savic, or Nastasic instead.

Three games in and people are panicking that he's not played yet?

Pellers has told us that he'll have to play his way in and during those performances prove he is worthy of his spot. Vinnie and Demi have formed a very good partnership but both will need to be rested at times. That's where Manny will have to step-up to the plate and prove he is worthy of the jersey.

I'm sure we'll be seeing him soon and will become more of a regular in the 1st team. He is young though and has to be introduced to the league properly as I personally don't want him just thrown in without any thought for how he adapts. I'm fairly sure this is where we are at.

Which leg has he broken? I think the timing of his inclusion is important as the moment he steps on to the pitch alongside Kompany means the end of Demichellis being our first choice central defender. Pellegrini will want to do this only when he feels it is necessary.

No matter how good you are, the Prem is a muggers alley. A couple of mistakes by an inexperienced cb, & we are almost out of the title race. We have to be very careful how we introduce this bloke, if we throw him in like Demi last season & especially Nastasic previously, we are taking a big risk. We need Vinny 100% & he goes off the boil if his partner is dodgy.

I will always remain convinced that Mancini cost us the league by breaking up the VK & Lescott partnership, not just because Lescott wasn't there, but because others had to look after Nasti & VK lost form too. It coincided with the rags going on a run, but they were under no pressure due to us not getting our shit together. It almost cost us the title playing Savic in the previous season, & Demi almost cost us last season.

Chelsea could easily run away if we don't keep pushing them. They have goals in them but will crack under pressure imo. We can't afford to slip to far behind.

Dunnylad wrote:But that was a hell of a lot of money to splash out on potential and I think that's the nub of the issue

from what i understand that's part of the reason he cost so much.

benatia cost €26 million and he is 3 years older than mangala, who i believe is considered a better prospect.

He probably played himself out of any January move to Inter last night. I know he's had no game time but that display was appalling and his odious agent Mendes there to witness it first hand apparently.

Did you really think he was appalling. I thought he looked like a player who has played very few games. He was clearly fouled twice when they got in on goal. But no free kick and that wasn't his fault.
Yes he made mistakes last night due to rustyness but no more than the other outfield players I would have thought.

sheblue wrote:Did you really think he was appalling. I thought he looked like a player who has played very few games. He was clearly fouled twice when they got in on goal. But no free kick and that wasn't his fault.
Yes he made mistakes last night due to rustyness but no more than the other outfield players I would have thought.

The only mistake I saw was the needless foul he conceded on the edge of our box.

Foreverinbluedreams wrote:

sheblue wrote:Did you really think he was appalling. I thought he looked like a player who has played very few games. He was clearly fouled twice when they got in on goal. But no free kick and that wasn't his fault.
Yes he made mistakes last night due to rustyness but no more than the other outfield players I would have thought.

The only mistake I saw was the needless foul he conceded on the edge of our box.

You didn't see the 3 or 4 passes straight to their player to put us on the back ropes? and you didn't see him getting skinned 2 times for their one on ones with our keeper ? Hes a big lad and he was legally shoulder barged form the ball for another one on one with our keeper that had me spitting feathers.

Hes a fuckign muppet mate.

carl_feedthegoat wrote:

Foreverinbluedreams wrote:

sheblue wrote:Did you really think he was appalling. I thought he looked like a player who has played very few games. He was clearly fouled twice when they got in on goal. But no free kick and that wasn't his fault.
Yes he made mistakes last night due to rustyness but no more than the other outfield players I would have thought.

The only mistake I saw was the needless foul he conceded on the edge of our box.

You didn't see the 3 or 4 passes straight to their player to put us on the back ropes? and you didn't see him getting skinned 2 times for their one on ones with our keeper ? Hes a big lad and he was legally shoulder barged form the ball for another one on one with our keeper that had me spitting feathers.

Hes a fuckign muppet mate.

He was fouled for them one on ones, they were pushes in the back. Did see a few loose passes, no worse than anyone else really.

For someone of his physique he got bullied off the ball easier than Zinchenko (who is a slip of a lad and only 20 years old) - I'd say it was pretty appalling last night and we were very lucky it didn't cost us, fouls or not (thanks again Bravo).

He is utter crap. People will stay be saying he needs to develop when he retires. We had binned him off but he refused the transfer in the summer.

Sure he was pushed over on the 2nd one, but what is he doing? Why is he trying to hold/shield the ball instead of knocking it to Bravo, sideways or into orbit? You are just opening yourself up when there is some great lump behind you trying to get the ball.

May suit West Brom, not City

Dameerto wrote:For someone of his physique he got bullied off the ball easier than Zinchenko (who is a slip of a lad and only 20 years old) - I'd say it was pretty appalling last night and we were very lucky it didn't cost us, fouls or not (thanks again Bravo).

It's difficult to understand how folk think he emerged with any credit from the game, most of the time he only had a lone second string teenage front runner to mark and he just failed consistently to do it.