We don't need to win this competition

[Im_Spartacus]

So, I know it has been alluded to in another thread, but given the footage of our very own Mr Anti-Dandruff in the tunnel before the [edit - Sheff Weds game] game saying "We don't need to win this competition man", I just wonder what people's thoughts are.

I can't be arsed posting the video from my ipad, perhaps someone else more technically competent can

Now......before people go on an anti-Joe rant, I personally would like to consider the following:

1: Is this his personal mentality or one the manager has shared?
2: If a shared view, does this explain the 2nd half?
3: Whilst a club must prioritise at the start of a season, if this is low priority, shouldn't kids be involved
4: Have players taken a view on the importance of the competition because the club fucked them off half way around the world for commercial purposes midweek?
5: Is it a hoax and has it been dubbed?

Now, if what Joe has said is not reflective of the clubs position on the FA cup, I would honestly expect him to be hauled up in front of the man to explain his comments. However if he gets away scot free, one would have to assume that Pellegrini shares this view, in which case it becomes criminal not to have involved any kids in the two FA cup games.

[phips]

just goes to show that regardless of what they say to the media players think they're really good and that the club should beat a side like Middlesborough and that leads to bad things. its just the nature of being a professional athlete.

[Im_Spartacus]

just goes to show that regardless of what they say to the media players think they're really good and that the club should beat a side like Middlesborough and that leads to bad things. its just the nature of being a professional athlete.

I don't see it as a superiority complex, I see it that either individual players' attitudes to the competition. (which would be very worrying) or the attitude instilled by the manager (trying to balance out priorities) was complicit in our second half shambles.

Should be a wake up call to those who still don't believe that the players conspired to fuck the FA Cup final off to get rid of Mancini though, as players clearly DONT go out to win each game they start with equal intensity.

The less palatable truth for us if it turns out to be Pellegrini's attitude to the FA Cup this year has translated to the players, is that kids who DID want to put their bodies on the line should have played.

Our performances in the domestic cup competitions this year in light of all this leaves me rather confused at what is actually going on in the manager's head

[Dameerto]

Pellegrini didn't see it as a match they could afford to lose, otherwise he would have started a youngster or two rather than going all out for it. He played the strongest lineup available to him and he chased the game when we went a goal down.

[Foreverinbluedreams]

It was before the Sheffield Wednesday game. What is the context here? Is he referring to the FA Cup? He could be talking about anything as far as I can make out but don't let that get in the way of the outrage

http://m.mcfc.co.uk/site/video/br/?bcpi ... 0820016001

2mins 20secs in.

[Two's Kompany]

The vid wasn't taken at Saturday's game.
Media agenda? Never!!!

[Im_Spartacus]

Pellegrini didn't see it as a match they could afford to lose, otherwise he would have started a youngster or two rather than going all out for it. He played the strongest lineup available to him and he chased the game when we went a goal down.

Pellegrini started a similar team against Newcastle, Sheff Weds, Boro......all at home this season, all with a team from 1-11 of senior players, without any game time for kids even off the bench (or even named on it). In every game, (with the notable exception of the 7.0) we have stunk the place out, and been unable to match the workrate of the opposition. Was the same the year before with Wigan and Watford.

It would seem that Hart's view of the FA cup in light of these performances may not be specific to him, and therefore the concern is, does this come from Pellegrini, and if not, what is he doing about it?

A bigger concern, given that we have little realistic chance of winning the champions league, is whether a similar attitude is taken of "we aren't expected to win it, so fuck it" - because some of our earlier performances looked suspiciously like that!

[Nigels Tackle]

It was before the Sheffield Wednesday game. What is the context here? Is he referring to the FA Cup? He could be talking about anything as far as I can make out but don't let that get in the way of the outrage

http://m.mcfc.co.uk/site/video/br/?bcpi ... 0820016001

2mins 20secs in.

well done for posting
proof, once again, that most mancityfans.net members should never allowed to be part of any jury
any idea what the wednesday player is trying to do on 2mins 25secs

[Im_Spartacus]

It was before the Sheffield Wednesday game. What is the context here? Is he referring to the FA Cup? He could be talking about anything as far as I can make out but don't let that get in the way of the outrage

http://m.mcfc.co.uk/site/video/br/?bcpi ... 0820016001

2mins 20secs in.

Outrage?

Given that he is walking onto the pitch ahead of an FA Cup game in which we were largely wank, after having been equally if not more dire against Newcastle, and subsequently dumped out by Boro - in all cases whom we struggled to match for workrate, you don't feel there is a question to be asked here?

Given that we are only involved in 4 competitions, and our performances in two of them (and arguably also the champs league aside from the final game) have been abject, what other 'competitions we don't need to win' is he involved in I wonder? You don't feel there is a question to be asked here?

Given that Hart was the alleged ringleader in the FA Cup capitulation in the final against Wigan, is well thought of in the dressing room, and clearly a big influence on the squad, you don't think there's a question to be asked here?

As we won't ever be told the context, we can of course only speculate, but there is certainly a discussion to be had

[sheblue]

All will be revealed on Saturday evening.

[Foreverinbluedreams]

It was before the Sheffield Wednesday game. What is the context here? Is he referring to the FA Cup? He could be talking about anything as far as I can make out but don't let that get in the way of the outrage

http://m.mcfc.co.uk/site/video/br/?bcpi ... 0820016001

2mins 20secs in.

well done for posting
proof, once again, that most mancityfans.net members should never allowed to be part of any jury
any idea what the wednesday player is trying to do on 2mins 25secs

He dropped his phone number in her pocket.

[Foreverinbluedreams]

It was before the Sheffield Wednesday game. What is the context here? Is he referring to the FA Cup? He could be talking about anything as far as I can make out but don't let that get in the way of the outrage

http://m.mcfc.co.uk/site/video/br/?bcpi ... 0820016001

2mins 20secs in.

Outrage?

Given that he is walking onto the pitch ahead of an FA Cup game in which we were largely wank, after having been equally if not more dire against Newcastle, and subsequently dumped out by Boro - in all cases whom we struggled to match for workrate, you don't feel there is a question to be asked here?

Given that we are only involved in 4 competitions, and our performances in two of them (and arguably also the champs league aside from the final game) have been abject, what other 'competitions we don't need to win' is he involved in I wonder? You don't feel there is a question to be asked here?

Given that Hart was the alleged ringleader in the FA Cup capitulation in the final against Wigan, is well thought of in the dressing room, and clearly a big influence on the squad, you don't think there's a question to be asked here?

As we won't ever be told the context, we can of course only speculate, but there is certainly a discussion to be had

You ask away mate.

Funny how the club saw fit to air the footage if he was indeed referring to the FA Cup.

[Im_Spartacus]

It was before the Sheffield Wednesday game. What is the context here? Is he referring to the FA Cup? He could be talking about anything as far as I can make out but don't let that get in the way of the outrage

http://m.mcfc.co.uk/site/video/br/?bcpi ... 0820016001

2mins 20secs in.

Outrage?

Given that he is walking onto the pitch ahead of an FA Cup game in which we were largely wank, after having been equally if not more dire against Newcastle, and subsequently dumped out by Boro - in all cases whom we struggled to match for workrate, you don't feel there is a question to be asked here?

Given that we are only involved in 4 competitions, and our performances in two of them (and arguably also the champs league aside from the final game) have been abject, what other 'competitions we don't need to win' is he involved in I wonder? You don't feel there is a question to be asked here?

Given that Hart was the alleged ringleader in the FA Cup capitulation in the final against Wigan, is well thought of in the dressing room, and clearly a big influence on the squad, you don't think there's a question to be asked here?

As we won't ever be told the context, we can of course only speculate, but there is certainly a discussion to be had

You ask away mate.

Funny how the club saw fit to air the footage if he was indeed referring to the FA Cup.

Hilarious

"We" are only in 4 fucking competitions, and "this competition" as you are walking onto the pitch in the FA Cup, let's take it from there eh Sherlock.

Whilst one could come up with any number of theories about what he was or wasn't talking talking about. What do you reckon is the most likely competiton he was talking about?

On the basis of that, it's a valid topic for discussion whether we know the context or not.

[DoomMerchant]

Surely he's talking about some private goalie hijinks. The three of them come out all smiles having been talking about a "Who is the King of their Own Castle" comp or something.

This thread is fucking retarded.

Cheers

[Ted Hughes]

Not even seen this, won't be watching it, & yet I know it's a load of fucking bollocks.

Sixth sense perhaps.

[Tokyo Blue]

1. He could be talking about golf, darts, pool, anything in the fucking world. From the facial expressions he is clearly not being serious, whatever he is talking about.

2. If I go to a bank and say to my mate next to me, "Fuck me, I'm skint. I could do with a few bob", does that make me a bank robber?

[DoomMerchant]

Not even seen this, won't be watching it, & yet I know it's a load of fucking bollocks.

Sixth sense perhaps.

It's 180 seconds of my life...plus buffering that I won't get back. On my death bed I'll remember this shit. I'm keeping tabs.

Cheers

[Sideshow Bob]

jesus wept!!!!!! ignoring what our beloved joe did or didn't say, the bigger issue (as sparty has rightly pointed out) is that we've allowed our senior players to repeatedly fuck off these cup competitions instead giving our EDS kids even a look in. it's fucking criminal and pelle should be made to answer for it.

[Im_Spartacus]

jesus wept!!!!!! ignoring what our beloved joe did or didn't say, the bigger issue (as sparty has rightly pointed out) is that we've allowed our senior players to repeatedly fuck off these cup competitions instead giving our EDS kids even a look in. it's fucking criminal and pelle should be made to answer for it.

Thanks, I think you've managed to get the point which everyone else has tried as hard as possible to miss.

But nothing new here, I spent 6 months telling these fucking spazs that it was kicking off on a weekly basis in or more specifically after training, yet despite this, and even after a shameful capitulation in the biggest domestic cup final in the world, nobody was having it that Hart was being fingered in the media for snide off the record comments.

This is very much a concern, not so much what Joe said, but from where that mentality has come from.

[Im_Spartacus]

1. He could be talking about golf, darts, pool, anything in the fucking world. From the facial expressions he is clearly not being serious, whatever he is talking about.

2. If I go to a bank and say to my mate next to me, "Fuck me, I'm skint. I could do with a few bob", does that make me a bank robber?

Come on mate, you're an intelligent guy. He specifically said 'we don't need to win this competition'

With all the best will in the world, arguing he is talking about darts, the world titty wobbling contest etc, are you wilfully ignoring the high likelihood that he was talking about Manchester City, in the context that he was at Manchester City, in Manchester City's tunnel, with members of the Manchester City team and coaching staff, whilst heading out to an FA Cup match.

I admire your attempt to deflect through loyalty, but it deflects from the wider issue of why he would say this and where that mentality has come from - which, in light of performances takes on a far wider significance than what Joe actually said