Yaya Toure

[Ted Hughes]

It's pretty clear to me that Mancini is trying to tap him up, probably mostly through his agent & I strongly believe City have him on the 'possibles' list for the summer sales.

But I have never believed that Yaya particularly wants to go anywhere. As some have said; he has always been shit defensively, so his recent lack of effort v the rags shouldn't be evidence of anything imo. Some players find an extra bit when they are tired, Yaya tends to lose a bit extra instead & give up. The problem of Silva preventing him from being moved further forward has also been mentioned. And we have our various opinions on Silva in another thread.

If Pellegrini stays & plays Yaya in his present position in this kind of team shape, both will be hung on a lamp post by Christmas. If he plays him next to 3 or 4 athletes, then it would look different, but then you have the Silva conundrum again.

When I look at the teams who play the way City are trying to play, they don't just use midfield players, they have two fullbacks who are dead fast & play like midfield players.

That is another way to perhaps get Yaya & Silva in the same team; superfit, fast, skillful fullbacks. It would require dumping Zabaleta. He is too slow. Kolarov is too slow. The other two aren't good enough as footballers.

And of course if Pep comes, Yaya is probably gone before he gets off the plane.

Whatever happens, he's been a great player for City & been a big part of every trophy we've won.

And City will create another top side in the next few years, with or without him.

[Foreverinbluedreams]

What stats would they be? Distance covered? Touches? Passes? Passing accuracy? Somehow I doubt Barton or Adam compare, I stand to be corrected though.

And its 32 games not your quoted 25 ..............
http://www1.skysports.com/football/news ... ester-city

Thanks for providing the stats which prove my point.

And it's 25 not your quoted 32.

[Wonderwall]

That is another way to perhaps get Yaya & Silva in the same team; superfit, fast, skillful fullbacks. It would require dumping Zabaleta. He is too slow. Kolarov is too slow. The other two aren't good enough as footballers.

Good shout, we should play a 2-8-0

It could work and they both get to play

Hart

DenayerMangala

AlbaNavasYayaFenandinhoSilvaNasriMilnerBale

[Ted Hughes]

We could.

I was thinking more:

......................................Aguero....................................

...................Silva....................................Yaya................
Angelinoish........Gundogan.....Pogba........Maffeoish
................Mangala.........Denayer........Kompany..........

But I'd still ideally have two different players than Yaya & Silva in that system, as in just about any other system I can think of.

Younger versions of Ribery & Robben for instance.

[Nick]

I will accept the fact that he is knackered. But there is clearly a fine line between being knackered and putting zero effort in (i.e. this season). If he is that fucked, then why does he play every minute of every game??

And this brings up another contradiction. Either his contract says he must play; or he wants to play every game. If he is so fucked, why would he need/want to play in every game, if the result is letting fellaini lap you all game?

Its crazy. Yes hes been class, yes hes always been 'a bit lazy'. Yes, for me, we should have sold him for many reasons last summer. Those saying ''we didn't know he'd drop off''; its pretty obvious he couldn't replicate last season and all the trouble in the summer shows there is something not quite right. Players don't perform if theres personal baggage.

Its a good point that maybe we tried to shift him and it didn't work out; but the far more LIKELY OPTION IS THAT PSG COLLUDED TO TRY AND FUCK US OVER ON FEE. Because we are little old city and teams have been used to fucking us over on fees. Circa £10m for yaya and £50m for Luiz; they probably thought was fair game..... Is Abramavich in on this?

[Ted Hughes]

That's where the PSG story becomes proven nonsense though. They are not stupid enough to believe they could have got Yaya for peanuts at that time. They didn't just wake up one morning & decide to spend 50 mil on David Luiz; these things take time to set up.

So therefore, Yaya never had a cat in hell's chance of going to PSG, it was the French media originally linking him, as they do every single top player they interview. They ask every single player about joining PSG, & every single player gives the same interview & says the same things as Yaya did . Exactly. DiMaria did it just a few weeks ago. Utd fans don't give a fuck, ours start burning Yaya dolls.

Different mentality.

[Douglas Higginbottom]

I cannot imagine a situation where Yaya will still be with us next season.I think it's a must that he goes and we do a major rebuilding job. The tougher questions are whether MP will be doing the rebuilding and how many other players will go.

Yaya has been magnificent for us but it's time to move him on.

[Peter Doherty (AGAIG)]

One thing that's really been concerning me is the "Pellegrini is a weak manager" line from his agent.
Presumably this echoes Yayas feelings and maybe that of other members of the squad. If so then he's lost them hasn't he? Not good..,

That's only if you believe the agent. I don't.

[Im_Spartacus]

That's where the PSG story becomes proven nonsense though. They are not stupid enough to believe they could have got Yaya for peanuts at that time. They didn't just wake up one morning & decide to spend 50 mil on David Luiz; these things take time to set up.

So therefore, Yaya never had a cat in hell's chance of going to PSG, it was the French media originally linking him, as they do every single top player they interview. They ask every single player about joining PSG, & every single player gives the same interview & says the same things as Yaya did . Exactly. DiMaria did it just a few weeks ago. Utd fans don't give a fuck, ours start burning Yaya dolls.

Different mentality.

No, that's where YOU believe the story becomes nonsense.

Ignoring football for a moment, no organization in their right mind when looking to hire a key asset would only have one iron in the fire. You have a shortlist of candidates and you ascertain that:
1: You can afford to open discussions with them
2: They want to come
3: They are available to come in the timescale you need them
In the process, if any of those steps falter, you move on to your next target.

In Yaya's case, if their budget was 40/50m, they knew they could afford him, he may have wanted to go, but ultimately City decided he wasn't available. They move on to their next target on the list, who, with whom they have already completed steps 1&2. That's every bit as plausible as any other scenario, and that's exactly how it works in every industry in the world for hiring key people. Given that PSG's owners are very commercially savvy, I doubt very much that they have approached last summer with only 1 target in mind, to suggest so is seriously underestimating them as business people.

You talk about proof of this and that, but you never, ever give proof yourself, so you speculation is worth exactly the same as everyone else's

[Foreverinbluedreams]

You talk about proof of this and that, but you never, ever give proof yourself, so you speculation is worth exactly the same as everyone else's

Agreed but why is it that Ted's theory is dismissed and yet the other theory that the tabloids would have us believe is talked about by City fans as if it's fact?

[Scatman]

You talk about proof of this and that, but you never, ever give proof yourself, so you speculation is worth exactly the same as everyone else's

Agreed but why is it that Ted's theory is dismissed and yet the other theory that the tabloids would have us believe is talked about by City fans as if it's fact?

Probably because the tabloids don't come on here upsetting people by telling them they are morons for believing anything but them.

[Ted Hughes]

You talk about proof of this and that, but you never, ever give proof yourself, so you speculation is worth exactly the same as everyone else's

Agreed but why is it that Ted's theory is dismissed and yet the other theory that the tabloids would have us believe is talked about by City fans as if it's fact?

Probably because the tabloids don't come on here upsetting people by telling them they are morons for believing anything but them.

Probably because you choose to believe the tabloids & believe tye worst. Fuck all to do with me whatsoever.

As for the post by Sparty, that can kiss my fucking arse.

I have said TIME AND TIME AGAIN, that what I've posted is my interpretation of a POSSIBLE reason for what has happened. There is absolutely no rvidence whatsoever to suggest that my theory is any less valid than any of the other sensationalist stuff which some people havechosen to jump on.

I have been consistent with it & have asked people over & over to find anything which doesn't fit. I have listed reasons why I'm inclined to think my theory is the correct one; the FACT that both Yaya and his agent said at the time that he wanted to stay at City being the first item which didn't fit the other argument. Now he is basically saying if we don't want him he'll go but if we want him he'll stay.

We have had every fucking twist from some on here; he wants to go, ah but now he doesn't because he's a cunt, oh wait now he does, the cunt, just blindly trying to fit any latest quote into the original tabloid edited quotes. I have stuck to what I think MIGHT be the situation. Every single quote made by anyone, fits in with my theory. If I'm wrong I'm wrong but I recon I've had more evidence to support my theory than any other fucker on this thread.

But, anyone who thinks PSG were about to pay 40 mil for old Yaya last season, is actually fucking delusional. I'll stick by that. Txiki would have piloted the fucking plane.

[Ted Hughes]

Incidentally I love the idea that a business keeps its irons in the fire by contacting various people saying 'I've got 50 mil burning a hole in my pocket' .

Manager: "Can we have Yaya Toure I need a centre mid ?" DOF: "Man City want more than 50 mil but don't worry, I've bought a centre half instead, same thing .." Manager: " Great, thanks Swalesy ".

[sheblue]

That's where the PSG story becomes proven nonsense though. They are not stupid enough to believe they could have got Yaya for peanuts at that time. They didn't just wake up one morning & decide to spend 50 mil on David Luiz; these things take time to set up.

So therefore, Yaya never had a cat in hell's chance of going to PSG, it was the French media originally linking him, as they do every single top player they interview. They ask every single player about joining PSG, & every single player gives the same interview & says the same things as Yaya did . Exactly. DiMaria did it just a few weeks ago. Utd fans don't give a fuck, ours start burning Yaya dolls.

Different mentality.

you have a YAYA doll.......lol

[Dameerto]

You talk about proof of this and that, but you never, ever give proof yourself, so you speculation is worth exactly the same as everyone else's

Agreed but why is it that Ted's theory is dismissed and yet the other theory that the tabloids would have us believe is talked about by City fans as if it's fact?

Probably because the tabloids don't come on here upsetting people by telling them they are morons for believing anything but them.

Probably because you choose to believe the tabloids & believe tye worst. Fuck all to do with me whatsoever.

As for the post by Sparty, that can kiss my fucking arse.

I have said TIME AND TIME AGAIN, that what I've posted is my interpretation of a POSSIBLE reason for what has happened. There is absolutely no rvidence whatsoever to suggest that my theory is any less valid than any of the other sensationalist stuff which some people havechosen to jump on.

I have been consistent with it & have asked people over & over to find anything which doesn't fit. I have listed reasons why I'm inclined to think my theory is the correct one; the FACT that both Yaya and his agent said at the time that he wanted to stay at City being the first item which didn't fit the other argument. Now he is basically saying if we don't want him he'll go but if we want him he'll stay.

We have had every fucking twist from some on here; he wants to go, ah but now he doesn't because he's a cunt, oh wait now he does, the cunt, just blindly trying to fit any latest quote into the original tabloid edited quotes. I have stuck to what I think MIGHT be the situation. Every single quote made by anyone, fits in with my theory. If I'm wrong I'm wrong but I recon I've had more evidence to support my theory than any other fucker on this thread.

But, anyone who thinks PSG were about to pay 40 mil for old Yaya last season, is actually fucking delusional. I'll stick by that. Txiki would have piloted the fucking plane.

I strongly suspect Pellegrini had the final say. He was (and still is) a star first team player and I've stated elsewhere in another thread why I believe Pellegrini had a very big part in the transfers around that time (not to mention Pellegrini had just steered us to a double in his first season).

[Ted Hughes]

That's where the PSG story becomes proven nonsense though. They are not stupid enough to believe they could have got Yaya for peanuts at that time. They didn't just wake up one morning & decide to spend 50 mil on David Luiz; these things take time to set up.

So therefore, Yaya never had a cat in hell's chance of going to PSG, it was the French media originally linking him, as they do every single top player they interview. They ask every single player about joining PSG, & every single player gives the same interview & says the same things as Yaya did . Exactly. DiMaria did it just a few weeks ago. Utd fans don't give a fuck, ours start burning Yaya dolls.

Different mentality.

you have a YAYA doll.......lol

More than one. I also have a Tevez one & a Carl 'Acion Man' that Mancio gave me (apparently it's perfectly to scale, but it has a lot of pin holes in it ).

[Im_Spartacus]

Incidentally I love the idea that a business keeps its irons in the fire by contacting various people saying 'I've got 50 mil burning a hole in my pocket' .

Manager: "Can we have Yaya Toure I need a centre mid ?" DOF: "Man City want more than 50 mil but don't worry, I've bought a centre half instead, same thing .." Manager: " Great, thanks Swalesy ".

So in summary of your two posts, you acknowledge that you are speculating, but you know for certain tricky would have accepted an offer

Are you living in antmcfc's world of 'I don't give a fuck what anyone says cos I know I'm right'

[Dameerto]

Incidentally I love the idea that a business keeps its irons in the fire by contacting various people saying 'I've got 50 mil burning a hole in my pocket' .

Manager: "Can we have Yaya Toure I need a centre mid ?" DOF: "Man City want more than 50 mil but don't worry, I've bought a centre half instead, same thing .." Manager: " Great, thanks Swalesy ".

So in summary of your two posts, you acknowledge that you are speculating, but you know for certain tricky would have accepted an offer

Are you living in antmcfc's world of 'I don't give a fuck what anyone says cos I know I'm right'

At that point in time there's no way he'd have sold a first team player without Pellegrini's approval as I mentioned in my last post. No way at all (in my opinion).

[Ted Hughes]

You talk about proof of this and that, but you never, ever give proof yourself, so you speculation is worth exactly the same as everyone else's

Agreed but why is it that Ted's theory is dismissed and yet the other theory that the tabloids would have us believe is talked about by City fans as if it's fact?

Probably because the tabloids don't come on here upsetting people by telling them they are morons for believing anything but them.

Probably because you choose to believe the tabloids & believe tye worst. Fuck all to do with me whatsoever.

As for the post by Sparty, that can kiss my fucking arse.

I have said TIME AND TIME AGAIN, that what I've posted is my interpretation of a POSSIBLE reason for what has happened. There is absolutely no rvidence whatsoever to suggest that my theory is any less valid than any of the other sensationalist stuff which some people havechosen to jump on.

I have been consistent with it & have asked people over & over to find anything which doesn't fit. I have listed reasons why I'm inclined to think my theory is the correct one; the FACT that both Yaya and his agent said at the time that he wanted to stay at City being the first item which didn't fit the other argument. Now he is basically saying if we don't want him he'll go but if we want him he'll stay.

We have had every fucking twist from some on here; he wants to go, ah but now he doesn't because he's a cunt, oh wait now he does, the cunt, just blindly trying to fit any latest quote into the original tabloid edited quotes. I have stuck to what I think MIGHT be the situation. Every single quote made by anyone, fits in with my theory. If I'm wrong I'm wrong but I recon I've had more evidence to support my theory than any other fucker on this thread.

But, anyone who thinks PSG were about to pay 40 mil for old Yaya last season, is actually fucking delusional. I'll stick by that. Txiki would have piloted the fucking plane.

I strongly suspect Pellegrini had the final say. He was (and still is) a star first team player and I've stated elsewhere in another thread why I believe Pellegrini had a very big part in the transfers around that time (not to mention Pellegrini had just steered us to a double in his first season).

I think all the managers have the biggest say in who stays, goes or is signed. It suddenly became unlikely when Mancini signed shite, due to him being infallible, & of course it's not his fault apart from Silva etc, which he chose but was 100% Hughes' fault previously.

Pellegrini will try to keep Yaya rightly or wrongly I think, but may be tempted out of it.

[City64]

What stats would they be? Distance covered? Touches? Passes? Passing accuracy? Somehow I doubt Barton or Adam compare, I stand to be corrected though.

And its 32 games not your quoted 25 ..............
http://www1.skysports.com/football/news ... ester-city

Thanks for providing the stats which prove my point.

And it's 25 not your quoted 32.

Oi smarmy bollocks , you were going on like Yaya has been world class again this season with none of your own facts or stats , don't come the cunt with me smart arse ! Those stats I have provided show he has under performed big time this season compared to last season ( when he was exceptional)so don't going fucking claiming he has been special this season when if you actually go to the games you can see the lazy cunt doing fuck all mostly without having to look at stats or make an opinion !