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Re: sterling

Postby Wonderwall » Tue May 19, 2015 2:00 pm

freshie wrote:
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Ted Hughes wrote:I don't understand why we need Sterling to be world class. He's 20 years old & fast, can beat a man & scores the odd goal. He is effectively taking up a place in the squad which is currently empty, as Lampard is going. He's been possibly their outstanding player vs us. He's not a Sinclair type signing.

By all reports, City expect to have money to spend, irrespective of ffp. If he comes in & is just 'ok' we can move him on to at his peak & get a decent fee for him. If he's brilliant we have him for years or we sell him to Real Madrid for a bucket full of cash. It"s miles more than he's worth but so is every single fee we are being quoted. And we may get him for less anyway.

If it stops us from signing our biggest target then of course it's a mistake, but they wouldn't sign him under those circumstances. And our big targets are going to be chased by others, so we are not necessarily favourites.


If he's just 'ok' then we aren't going to recoup what we paid for him. Just because we have an incredibly rich owner doesn't mean that we should pay over the odds for players - does value for money not come into the equation? I just think that £50m is too much to spend on a largely unproven player with a questionable off the field track record. We paid £38m for Aguero who was a much better player at the time then Sterling is now - I find it hard to justify the £50m fee that is being quoted and wouldn't want us to pay more than £30m for him. Let's not forget that he has only had one good season. You say that you don't understand why he has to be world class - that's fine as long as we don't pay the sort of money that is spent on world class players. I think that we are only favourites to sign him because nobody else is going to pay the amount of money that Liverpool want for him


Pogba isn't world class.

We either sign nobody or pay over the odds. Sterling's record in the Premier League is way ahead of Pogba's.


Although I didn't mention Pogba, I agree he isn't world class and the £70-80m fees being quoted for him are obscene


I agree the numbers being banded about are stupid, but I think he is a player that would come into our team and improve us, that is the minimum we should be aiming for, IMO Pogba is a brilliant player and one that will dominate midfield for a long time.
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Re: sterling

Postby freshie » Tue May 19, 2015 2:06 pm

MilnersJaw wrote:The way people going on here trying justify how good he is because they want him at the club is laughable.


He's exceptionally talented for a 20 year old and has the pace to terrorise most defenders. He hadn't been at his best the second half of this season but I think that is down to him being unsettled as others have pointed out. How many better under 21s can you name in the premier league?
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Re: sterling

Postby Hutch's Shoulder » Tue May 19, 2015 2:41 pm

Raheem Sterling has "not achieved anything" and should stay at Liverpool, says former Reds winger John Barnes.

John mate, that's why he's going !
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Re: sterling

Postby lets all have a disco » Tue May 19, 2015 2:50 pm

I'd sign the little fucker no doubt.

He is summat different and i like him.


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Re: sterling

Postby Im_Spartacus » Tue May 19, 2015 3:07 pm

Tokyo Blue wrote:Fulham, QPR, same thing.


Yeah, sorry, I knew it was that neck of the woods. I got confused with Lionel Smalling
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Re: sterling

Postby freshie » Tue May 19, 2015 3:12 pm

Wonderwall wrote:
freshie wrote:
Ted Hughes wrote:
freshie wrote:
Ted Hughes wrote:I don't understand why we need Sterling to be world class. He's 20 years old & fast, can beat a man & scores the odd goal. He is effectively taking up a place in the squad which is currently empty, as Lampard is going. He's been possibly their outstanding player vs us. He's not a Sinclair type signing.

By all reports, City expect to have money to spend, irrespective of ffp. If he comes in & is just 'ok' we can move him on to at his peak & get a decent fee for him. If he's brilliant we have him for years or we sell him to Real Madrid for a bucket full of cash. It"s miles more than he's worth but so is every single fee we are being quoted. And we may get him for less anyway.

If it stops us from signing our biggest target then of course it's a mistake, but they wouldn't sign him under those circumstances. And our big targets are going to be chased by others, so we are not necessarily favourites.


If he's just 'ok' then we aren't going to recoup what we paid for him. Just because we have an incredibly rich owner doesn't mean that we should pay over the odds for players - does value for money not come into the equation? I just think that £50m is too much to spend on a largely unproven player with a questionable off the field track record. We paid £38m for Aguero who was a much better player at the time then Sterling is now - I find it hard to justify the £50m fee that is being quoted and wouldn't want us to pay more than £30m for him. Let's not forget that he has only had one good season. You say that you don't understand why he has to be world class - that's fine as long as we don't pay the sort of money that is spent on world class players. I think that we are only favourites to sign him because nobody else is going to pay the amount of money that Liverpool want for him


Pogba isn't world class.

We either sign nobody or pay over the odds. Sterling's record in the Premier League is way ahead of Pogba's.


Although I didn't mention Pogba, I agree he isn't world class and the £70-80m fees being quoted for him are obscene


I agree the numbers being banded about are stupid, but I think he is a player that would come into our team and improve us, that is the minimum we should be aiming for, IMO Pogba is a brilliant player and one that will dominate midfield for a long time.


I suppose we are paying for potential as well which if those players fulfil could get us to the top
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Re: sterling

Postby PeterParker » Tue May 19, 2015 3:33 pm

I would sign the little fucker in a heart beat.

However, i think he will have huge problems with his accomodation here. Huge gamble, i would sign him, but i hope City will stay away.
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Re: sterling

Postby ruralblue » Tue May 19, 2015 3:49 pm

Milner + Jovetic + 15 million and job done. Good to have a player who will run at defences and can see him linking up well with Serg and Bony.
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Re: sterling

Postby iwasthere2012 » Tue May 19, 2015 3:58 pm

ruralblue wrote:Milner + Jovetic + 15 million and job done. Good to have a player who will run at defences and can see him linking up well with Serg and Bony.


I know Milner could walk on a freebie, but I think that over values Sterling, still.
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Re: sterling

Postby ruralblue » Tue May 19, 2015 4:27 pm

iwasthere2012 wrote:
ruralblue wrote:Milner + Jovetic + 15 million and job done. Good to have a player who will run at defences and can see him linking up well with Serg and Bony.


I know Milner could walk on a freebie, but I think that over values Sterling, still.


Oh yeah shit he does doesn't he.
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Re: sterling

Postby PeterParker » Tue May 19, 2015 4:35 pm

ruralblue wrote:Milner + Jovetic + 15 million and job done. Good to have a player who will run at defences and can see him linking up well with Serg and Bony.


When does his contract expire? Next summer or in two years?

If next summer, we can milk the situation in our favour.
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Re: sterling

Postby Wonderwall » Tue May 19, 2015 4:42 pm

PeterParker wrote:
ruralblue wrote:Milner + Jovetic + 15 million and job done. Good to have a player who will run at defences and can see him linking up well with Serg and Bony.


When does his contract expire? Next summer or in two years?

If next summer, we can milk the situation in our favour.


Sterlings expires December 2017, he can buy out of his contract at Xmas this year. He is currently on 30k a week, so prob about £3m to buy it out. Seems like a good deal if we could swing that scenario. I think there is more chance of Arse or Chelsea though, he is a london boy.
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Re: sterling

Postby PrezIke » Tue May 19, 2015 6:08 pm

It's funny to hear talk of loyalty to a club when players will be shown the door quite easily when they don't perform well enough.

It's a two way street in professional sport, but for some reason the players who want out when certain supporters and media pundits deem one does not have "the right" to decide one's own life trajectory when an opportunity is present are not "allowed" to do this. Apply this to anyone in any real job and it would be baffling to suggest to anyone with a strong sense of ambition.

Professional football and pretty much all other global sports operate under the guise of mostly unbridled free-market capitalism, whether fans like it or not. This is even more the case in global football say versus many American professional sports that limit player movement, wages (via a "salary cap" and other collective bargaining agreement measures that say a player can get a "max" contract set by those rules) when one is under contract, but clubs can "trade" them to another club in the same league against a player's will.

Why was Hazard or Oscar allowed to be sold without the same level of animosity that Sterling seems to receive? Because folks think he isn't as good as he allegedly thinks? Last season he was practically a revelation. On England's World Cup team he was placed in the first eleven and showed some strong ability except that he had issues with fitness in the Brazilian heat.

Basing every young English player on the busts of the past, sounds eerily like Brazilians can't play well in England either, or can a player perform on a cold, wet Tuesday night in Stoke. Basically, this is a bunch of mythological rhetoric that somehow is seen as real evidence to hold all new players against.

He is better than Barkley and is a spark plug our team could badly use. He would likely thrive in our attacking system surrounded by players of real quality that Liverpool cannot offer anytime soon. That may upset traditionalists and Liverpool supporters, but global football is a higherarchy based system of haves, almost haves and have nots. Or maybe just feeder and poaching clubs. That's professional sport, and as Kurtis Blow once said..."These are the breaks!"

Support pub teams and lower level football if this really bothers you. Is that fair? No, but nor is the way our world works in many ways. City have been victims of it with FFP as well, when we were on a trajectory that could have put us at an even higher level than we are now. That's the breaks for us too, but I know that's how it is and can accept it.

Can Carragher and his like? Seems not, but it will be to little avail at this point. Didn't seem to bother him when Liverpool were the beneficiaries of the structures of the past. It's a bitter pill to swallow, but that's how it is, and really I can't blame Sterling if he wants out.

All players want to be at the best clubs with the best chance of winning. If Real Madrid or Barca came calling for some of our players we might struggle to keep hold of them as well. Just deal with it and move forward. Really tiring to hear this over and over again in such a hypocritical manner.
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Re: sterling

Postby branny » Tue May 19, 2015 8:48 pm

He may not be world class buts he's an upgrade on Navas. He's ten years younger, can beat a man, has more goal threat, (his composure when he scored against us was impressive), is English and proven in the top flight. We paid nearly 15 mil for Navas so if can get Sterling for 35 mil it works for me.
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Re: sterling

Postby Wooders » Tue May 19, 2015 8:50 pm

See he won the "young player we want to sell at a vastly overinflated price of the year"
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Re: sterling

Postby Im_Spartacus » Tue May 19, 2015 8:58 pm

Personally, I like his raw talent. He has pace and he is direct, both of which we really haven't had at the club since SWP. He's had a quiet season this time round, but he's been in a team which has struggled with the loss of both of his forward partners, and I don't think that should be discounted in the dip in form.

He was pretty damned good last season with Suarez and Sturridge and playing an attacking style of football, still rough round the edges, but you can see the talent he has. However, he isn't a centre forward, nor is he a right midfielder, nor will he ever be either of those. And the problem therefore rests with which manager we will have in charge next season.

If it's Pellegrini, I've seen no evidence he will play 3 up top, and whilst he does play with two wide men, Navas, Milner etc, get stuck in defensively which I don't think Sterling is upto, nor ever will be.

For that reason, signing him would quite possibly be 'one for the future' as we should probably expect that if there is any deal for guardiola to come in 12 months time (or sooner) we can bet that there is already a transfer strategy in place to work towards having the right players to work his system. At that point, he would be a good signing for playing in a front 3 with two accomplished players like, Aguero and someone like Bale on the left
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Re: sterling

Postby PrezIke » Tue May 19, 2015 9:14 pm

We could immediately play a 433 sterling bony kun
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Re: sterling

Postby DoomMerchant » Tue May 19, 2015 10:11 pm

PrezIke wrote:We could immediately play a 433 sterling bony kun


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at once; instantly.
"I called immediately for an ambulance"
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Re: sterling

Postby Nigels Tackle » Tue May 19, 2015 10:38 pm

Nigels Tackle wrote:
twosips wrote:Have him in a heartbeat. Excellent potential and very talented. And fast.


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Re: sterling

Postby freshie » Tue May 19, 2015 10:54 pm

DoomMerchant wrote:
PrezIke wrote:We could immediately play a 433 sterling bony kun


im·me·di·ate·ly
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at once; instantly.
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without any intervening time or space.
"she was sitting immediately behind me"

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