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John Carver
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Thu May 21, 2015 8:44 amby Bianchi on Ice
Telling everyone how he held a team meeting and told anyone who didnt fancy it to leave the room. Says ranting at the players doesnt work, as shown by the performance v Leicester. So how is revealing details of a private team meeting going to improve things? why not keep the mouth shut or at least avoid the silly tub thumping and not betray his players confidence? try that one next time. He may well be a good coach but he is totally out of his depth here, and if I were a Newcastle fan Id be embarrassed. For their sake I hope relaxation of these restraint of trade FFP rules encourages someone to buy Ashley out so he can fuck off and carry on selling cheap shell suits.
Re: John Carver
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Thu May 21, 2015 8:46 amby Piccsnumberoneblue
They must be ripe for a takeover. They could be the next 'us'.
Re: John Carver
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Thu May 21, 2015 8:48 amby Bianchi on Ice
Piccsnumberoneblue wrote:They must be ripe for a takeover. They could be the next 'us'.
Could be..and Ive no problem with that...the more the merrier...imagine how good the league could be with Newcastle, Everton and villa able to spend
Re: John Carver
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Thu May 21, 2015 8:53 amby Im_Spartacus
His rant a couple of weeks back in the post match interview was completely unacceptable, and he should have been relieved of his duties immediately those words came out of his mouth.
In a relegation fight, or for that matter any situation where a manager is trying to turn a situation round, whether it be in football or business, blame is no good to anybody. A full and frank discussion about the players' responsibilities maybe, but one wonders in these situations just how much players are allowed to have full and frank discussions about the manager's approach, which from the games I've seen, have been as much to blame as the ineptitude of the players.
Pardew was doing well, Carver is doing shit with the same players (who I think are certainly not relegation material) - even if there was a middle ground he needs to cut the bullshit and look a bit closer to home as to where the problem is, as he has them performing well below par.
Re: John Carver
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Thu May 21, 2015 8:54 amby Nigels Tackle
Bianchi on Ice wrote:Piccsnumberoneblue wrote:They must be ripe for a takeover. They could be the next 'us'.
Could be..and Ive no problem with that...the more the merrier...imagine how good the league could be with Newcastle, Everton and villa able to spend
the premier league has the potential / opportunity to blow european football apart...
Re: John Carver
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Thu May 21, 2015 9:01 amby Bianchi on Ice
Im_Spartacus wrote:His rant a couple of weeks back in the post match interview was completely unacceptable, and he should have been relieved of his duties immediately those words came out of his mouth.
In a relegation fight, or for that matter any situation where a manager is trying to turn a situation round, whether it be in football or business, blame is no good to anybody. A full and frank discussion about the players' responsibilities maybe, but one wonders in these situations just how much players are allowed to have full and frank discussions about the manager's approach, which from the games I've seen, have been as much to blame as the ineptitude of the players.
Pardew was doing well, Carver is doing shit with the same players (who I think are certainly not relegation material) - even if there was a middle ground he needs to cut the bullshit and look a bit closer to home as to where the problem is, as he has them performing well below par.
Seems to me like Carver wants to claim credit if they win at the weekend and stay up. Keeping things in-house with some dignity comes second to grabbing headlines and a bit of glory. He didnt have to tell anyone about this meeting, but he did..."look at me look at me" I just dont see how it can help the situation
Re: John Carver
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Thu May 21, 2015 9:03 amby Ted Hughes
Bianchi on Ice wrote:Telling everyone how he held a team meeting and told anyone who didnt fancy it to leave the room.
Re: John Carver
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Thu May 21, 2015 9:04 amby Im_Spartacus
Bianchi on Ice wrote:Im_Spartacus wrote:His rant a couple of weeks back in the post match interview was completely unacceptable, and he should have been relieved of his duties immediately those words came out of his mouth.
In a relegation fight, or for that matter any situation where a manager is trying to turn a situation round, whether it be in football or business, blame is no good to anybody. A full and frank discussion about the players' responsibilities maybe, but one wonders in these situations just how much players are allowed to have full and frank discussions about the manager's approach, which from the games I've seen, have been as much to blame as the ineptitude of the players.
Pardew was doing well, Carver is doing shit with the same players (who I think are certainly not relegation material) - even if there was a middle ground he needs to cut the bullshit and look a bit closer to home as to where the problem is, as he has them performing well below par.
Seems to me like Carver wants to claim credit if they win at the weekend and stay up. Keeping things in-house with some dignity comes second to grabbing headlines and a bit of glory. He didnt have to tell anyone about this meeting, but he did..."look at me look at me" I just dont see how it can help the situation
No, you're spot on - for him to succeed, for him to be part of the collective effort he has to be part of 'team Newcastle'. You aren't part of the team when you're talking about things that are going on behind closed doors, it would seem you're just trying to big yourself up to the fans as kicking the lazy footballers up the arse.
Him and Ashley deserve each other.......he is by all accounts a good coach though as you said.
Re: John Carver
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Thu May 21, 2015 9:06 amby Wonderwall
Bianchi on Ice wrote:Im_Spartacus wrote:His rant a couple of weeks back in the post match interview was completely unacceptable, and he should have been relieved of his duties immediately those words came out of his mouth.
In a relegation fight, or for that matter any situation where a manager is trying to turn a situation round, whether it be in football or business, blame is no good to anybody. A full and frank discussion about the players' responsibilities maybe, but one wonders in these situations just how much players are allowed to have full and frank discussions about the manager's approach, which from the games I've seen, have been as much to blame as the ineptitude of the players.
Pardew was doing well, Carver is doing shit with the same players (who I think are certainly not relegation material) - even if there was a middle ground he needs to cut the bullshit and look a bit closer to home as to where the problem is, as he has them performing well below par.
Seems to me like Carver wants to claim credit if they win at the weekend and stay up. Keeping things in-house with some dignity comes second to grabbing headlines and a bit of glory. He didnt have to tell anyone about this meeting, but he did..."look at me look at me" I just dont see how it can help the situation
Ramsey at QPR did the same thing as Carver, but did it with more dignity and didnt name names but they knew who they were. He didnt have to say anything, he could have kept his mouth shut, but he has just been given the job permanently! I hope Carver gets the job, would be funniest season ever, but I know he wont. Perennial under achievers, amazing when you think of the massive catchment area, fan base, stadium etc.. great set up, but keep falling flat on their faces, would be nice to see them go down just so I dont have to hear Shearer harp on about them every week!
Re: John Carver
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Thu May 21, 2015 9:07 amby Ted Hughes
Wonderwall wrote:Bianchi on Ice wrote:Im_Spartacus wrote:His rant a couple of weeks back in the post match interview was completely unacceptable, and he should have been relieved of his duties immediately those words came out of his mouth.
In a relegation fight, or for that matter any situation where a manager is trying to turn a situation round, whether it be in football or business, blame is no good to anybody. A full and frank discussion about the players' responsibilities maybe, but one wonders in these situations just how much players are allowed to have full and frank discussions about the manager's approach, which from the games I've seen, have been as much to blame as the ineptitude of the players.
Pardew was doing well, Carver is doing shit with the same players (who I think are certainly not relegation material) - even if there was a middle ground he needs to cut the bullshit and look a bit closer to home as to where the problem is, as he has them performing well below par.
Seems to me like Carver wants to claim credit if they win at the weekend and stay up. Keeping things in-house with some dignity comes second to grabbing headlines and a bit of glory. He didnt have to tell anyone about this meeting, but he did..."look at me look at me" I just dont see how it can help the situation
Ramsey at QPR did the same thing as Carver, but did it with more dignity and didnt name names but they knew who they were. He didnt have to say anything, he could have kept his mouth shut, but he has just been given the job permanently! I hope Carver gets the job, would be funniest season ever, but I know he wont. Perennial under achievers, amazing when you think of the massive catchment area, fan base, stadium etc.. great set up, but keep falling flat on their faces, would be nice to see them go down just so I dont have to hear Shearer harp on about them every week!
I think he should have Gazza as his assistant manager.
Re: John Carver
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Thu May 21, 2015 8:19 pmby nottsblue
Maybe he took advice from Brenda on self promotion.
A manager so out of his depth it is untrue. I actually don't feel any sympathy for the Newcastle fans though. I remember them hounding out Bobby Robson. Clueless and classless. They are in trouble next season regardless of who us in charge. The team that finishes the season badly generally do poorly the next time around
Re: John Carver
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Sat May 23, 2015 10:03 amby Mikhail Chigorin
Bianchi on Ice wrote:Piccsnumberoneblue wrote:They must be ripe for a takeover. They could be the next 'us'.
Could be..and Ive no problem with that...the more the merrier...imagine how good the league could be with Newcastle, Everton and villa able to spend
Or even Sunderland.
With regards to Carver, I think he's known for a while that the writing's on the wall and that he isn't up to it, so he's publicly slating all and sundry to shift the blame in advance.
He must have one eye on future job opportunities that he might, or might not, be involved with.
Re: John Carver
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Sat May 23, 2015 10:54 amby Piccsnumberoneblue
I like him. I admire his self belief in the face of all evidence.
I suspect he knows his words are not taken seriously. He might even be chuckling himself.
Re: John Carver
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Sat May 23, 2015 12:17 pmby Slim
Piccsnumberoneblue wrote:They must be ripe for a takeover. They could be the next 'us'.
There have been inquiries about taking over Newcastle, but Ashley keeps pricing the club way above it's actual value because he's a greedy cunt who is looking to make as much out of the club he "loves" as possible.
I hope the Newcastle fans know who's really to blame here and I am surprised that the even bigger cunt that is Pardew managed to stick around as long as he did. I expected Ashley to show up to a presser sporting a black eye saying Pardew has been relieved of his duties.
Re: John Carver
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Sat May 23, 2015 1:12 pmby Blue Since 76
Mikhail Chigorin wrote:Bianchi on Ice wrote:Piccsnumberoneblue wrote:They must be ripe for a takeover. They could be the next 'us'.
Could be..and Ive no problem with that...the more the merrier...imagine how good the league could be with Newcastle, Everton and villa able to spend
Or even Sunderland.
With regards to Carver, I think he's known for a while that the writing's on the wall and that he isn't up to it, so he's publicly slating all and sundry to shift the blame in advance.
He must have one eye on future job opportunities that he might, or might not, be involved with.
He's clearly Newcastle through and through. He must know he's not up to it and will be gone in summer (although with Ashley, who knows) and I think he's trying to take some of the worst players down with him for personal satisfaction and maybe the benefit of the club.
I was always amazed Hughes and Mancini didn't say something afterwards, but I assume the terms of their settlement didn't allow it. Maybe Carver is taking the chance whilst he can.
Re: John Carver
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Sat May 23, 2015 1:40 pmby Dameerto
No idea what Carver's like as a coach but he's no manager. Club loyalty or not.
Re: John Carver
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Sat May 23, 2015 9:09 pmby Slim
Blue Since 76 wrote:Mikhail Chigorin wrote:Bianchi on Ice wrote:Piccsnumberoneblue wrote:They must be ripe for a takeover. They could be the next 'us'.
Could be..and Ive no problem with that...the more the merrier...imagine how good the league could be with Newcastle, Everton and villa able to spend
Or even Sunderland.
With regards to Carver, I think he's known for a while that the writing's on the wall and that he isn't up to it, so he's publicly slating all and sundry to shift the blame in advance.
He must have one eye on future job opportunities that he might, or might not, be involved with.
He's clearly Newcastle through and through. He must know he's not up to it and will be gone in summer (although with Ashley, who knows) and I think he's trying to take some of the worst players down with him for personal satisfaction and maybe the benefit of the club.
I was always amazed Hughes and Mancini didn't say something afterwards, but I assume the terms of their settlement didn't allow it. Maybe Carver is taking the chance whilst he can.
Leslie said enough.
Re: John Carver
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Sat May 23, 2015 9:46 pmby Peter Doherty (AGAIG)
Dameerto wrote:No idea what Carver's like as a coach but he's no manager. Club loyalty or not.
When I heard his interview after he got the job I thought the job had come 30 years too late for him. Complete dinosaur.
Re: John Carver
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Sun May 24, 2015 4:18 pmby Wooders
Just gave the survival credit, whilst also hinting this season may have been their fault, to the two fans who died on the Malaysia flight - fucking hell john
Re: John Carver
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Sun May 24, 2015 4:22 pmby blues2win
He still says he wants the job. Which planet is he on?