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[City64]

Mirror,s head sports writer Andy Dunn who is a Liverpool fan has wrote his usual dignified and high quality article in todays Sunday Mirror . He has spotlighted Klopp,s failings yesterday and seriously questions his tactics then also points out out how city were down to 10 men v Everton the other week and we changed tactics and battered them ........... Dunn points out Klopp waved the white flag and took off his most creative player Salah . Then going onto city are a "stellar" team who play beautiful football .

How refreshingly honest , top man scouser Andy Dunn !

[mr_nool]

Mirror,s head sports writer Andy Dunn who is a Liverpool fan has wrote his usual dignified and high quality article in todays Sunday Mirror . He has spotlighted Klopp,s failings yesterday and seriously questions his tactics then also points out out how city were down to 10 men v Everton the other week and we changed tactics and battered them ........... Dunn points out Klopp waved the white flag and took off his most creative player Salah . Then going onto city are a "stellar" team who play beautiful football .

How refreshingly honest , top man scouser Andy Dunn !

That's exactly what I just wrote in the other thread. Taking Salah off was a coward's decision and they deserved everything they got.

[iwasthere2012]

Mirror,s head sports writer Andy Dunn who is a Liverpool fan has wrote his usual dignified and high quality article in todays Sunday Mirror . He has spotlighted Klopp,s failings yesterday and seriously questions his tactics then also points out out how city were down to 10 men v Everton the other week and we changed tactics and battered them ........... Dunn points out Klopp waved the white flag and took off his most creative player Salah . Then going onto city are a "stellar" team who play beautiful football .

How refreshingly honest , top man scouser Andy Dunn !

Refreshing indeed. That's exactly what happened. Klopp wrote the game off at half time and his team followed suit.

[Beefymcfc]

That's why I know it was deliberate. Because you don't control a ball in the world with your foot like that. His studs were up for one reason.

I don't think it was deliberate I would expect all of our players to go for the same ball. I'd also expect them to see red if they kicked the oppo keeper in the head.

He had a choice and he chose the wrong option. The off the floor Kung Fu type position was because he already knew he wasn't getting there, that's why he flung himself that way to get the ball, otherwise he has no chance at all.

He was probably a little pissed off that Eddie had come out a couple of times to clear and thought this would stop him coming again, I'm not sure, but one thing is definite, he knew he wasn't getting to that ball ahead of Eddie.

[Mikhail Chigorin]

I think it is admirable the pain some people here subject themselves to for our club.

As Iranaeus correctly observed long ago, our life is a vale of soul-making

That's absolutely fascinating JC.

I've just been 'Googling' on Iranaeus after reading your post as, after racking my brains, I could only remember coming across it via Keats who, himself, reckoned that "the world was a vale of soul making", rather than "our life" being that.

Keats was obviously paraphrasing the much earlier work so, many thanks to you for raising this in the first place, as I've just spent an enjoyable time reading about said Iranaeus, of which I previously knew absolutely nothing.

[BookJunior]

I think it is admirable the pain some people here subject themselves to for our club.

As Iranaeus correctly observed long ago, our life is a vale of soul-making

That's absolutely fascinating JC.

I've just been 'Googling' on Iranaeus after reading your post as, after racking my brains, I could only remember coming across it via Keats who, himself, reckoned that "the world was a vale of soul making", rather than "our life" being that.

Keats was obviously paraphrasing the much earlier work so, many thanks to you for raising this in the first place, as I've just spent an enjoyable time reading about said Iranaeus, of which I previously knew absolutely nothing.

Clever bloke that JC. The early church was full of similar people. St Cyprian and Augustine also spring to mind.

EDIT: His name is spelt Irenaeus.

[Mikhail Chigorin]

I think it is admirable the pain some people here subject themselves to for our club.

As Iranaeus correctly observed long ago, our life is a vale of soul-making

That's absolutely fascinating JC.

I've just been 'Googling' on Iranaeus after reading your post as, after racking my brains, I could only remember coming across it via Keats who, himself, reckoned that "the world was a vale of soul making", rather than "our life" being that.

Keats was obviously paraphrasing the much earlier work so, many thanks to you for raising this in the first place, as I've just spent an enjoyable time reading about said Iranaeus, of which I previously knew absolutely nothing.

Clever bloke that JC. The early church was full of similar people. St Cyprian and Augustine also spring to mind.

EDIT: His name is spelt Irenaeus.

Thanks for the spelling correction BJ. As I said, I knew nothing about him until now.

You're certainly right about JC; he seems to have a vast and profound knowledge of many many things.......he makes me sick

( just joking JC )

[Sparklehorse]

Mane had his eyes closed jumping up to a goalkeeper who had his head down, and went in studs first. If that's not deliberate I don't know what is!

FFS his reaction and the way he didn't argue with the ref he knew what he'd done.

He had a glance to see where the goallies was first so it looked to me like he knew exactly what he was doing. Perhaps not the kick to the face but he was certainly going to take out Ederson.

There's an outside chance he was trying to toe poke it over Ederson and continue past him to an open goal but misstimed it - that's the small benefit of the doubt I'm giving him.

If he had managed to do that wouldn't it be a foul anyway for a high foot, they give fouls for foot up anything above the knee,
Not one pundit has mentioned this as far as I can tell !

[mr_nool]

Bloody hell, if I didn't know better, I'd swear I'd Irenaously ventured on to ecumenicalhistoryfans.net.

[carl_feedthegoat]

So it wasn't a red then RAT BOY ?

[johnny crossan]

Bloody hell, if I didn't know better, I'd swear I'd Irenaously ventured on to ecumenicalhistoryfans.net.

I think it should be a case of Goodnight Irenaeus then

[Dameerto]

Mane had his eyes closed jumping up to a goalkeeper who had his head down, and went in studs first. If that's not deliberate I don't know what is!

FFS his reaction and the way he didn't argue with the ref he knew what he'd done.

He had a glance to see where the goallies was first so it looked to me like he knew exactly what he was doing. Perhaps not the kick to the face but he was certainly going to take out Ederson.

There's an outside chance he was trying to toe poke it over Ederson and continue past him to an open goal but misstimed it - that's the small benefit of the doubt I'm giving him.

If he had managed to do that wouldn't it be a foul anyway for a high foot, they give fouls for foot up anything above the knee,
Not one pundit has mentioned this as far as I can tell !

I'm not sure on the rules to be honest. The benefit of doubt I'm giving him is over intention - it's not even in dispute that it was a straight red and dangerous play.

[Mikhail Chigorin]

Bloody hell, if I didn't know better, I'd swear I'd Irenaously ventured on to ecumenicalhistoryfans.net.

Otherwise known as the 'Off Topic' section

[mr_nool]

And anyone questioning the red card because of Matt Ritchie only getting a yellow today is an idiot.
Mane was running at full speed towards Ederson – the risk for injury was huge. Any sane person would have pulled his both in, not to risk killing the opponent. Some ex-players, the MotD pundits included, say that Mane had to go for the ball. Yes, perhaps, but with his chest or his head. Putting his booth up was a cowardice thing to do. He chose risking to hurt Ederson, because he didn't want to be hurt himself.

[iwasthere2012]

And anyone questioning the red card because of Matt Ritchie only getting a yellow today is an idiot.
Mane was running at full speed towards Ederson – the risk for injury was huge. Any sane person would have pulled his both in, not to risk killing the opponent. Some ex-players, the MotD pundits included, say that Mane had to go for the ball. Yes, perhaps, but with his chest or his head. Putting his booth up was a cowardice thing to do. He chose risking to hurt Ederson, because he didn't want to be hurt himself.

+1

[Justified logic]

And all this fuss just to hand-hold the dipper fans.

[ENIAM NAM]

And anyone questioning the red card because of Matt Ritchie only getting a yellow today is an idiot.
Mane was running at full speed towards Ederson – the risk for injury was huge. Any sane person would have pulled his both in, not to risk killing the opponent. Some ex-players, the MotD pundits included, say that Mane had to go for the ball. Yes, perhaps, but with his chest or his head. Putting his booth up was a cowardice thing to do. He chose risking to hurt Ederson, because he didn't want to be hurt himself.

+1

That absolutely sums it up for me.

[iwasthere2012]

And all this fuss just to hand-hold the dipper fans.

That's a statement not a question JL.
Are you coming round to our kind of thinking?

[Justified logic]

And all this fuss just to hand-hold the dipper fans.

That's a statement not a question JL.
Are you coming round to our kind of thinking?

All this fuss in the media is about consoling the dippers after that blasting, keeping them interested and clicking and watching for the advertising data. I don't see it as particularly anti-City.

[freshie]

And anyone questioning the red card because of Matt Ritchie only getting a yellow today is an idiot.
Mane was running at full speed towards Ederson – the risk for injury was huge. Any sane person would have pulled his both in, not to risk killing the opponent. Some ex-players, the MotD pundits included, say that Mane had to go for the ball. Yes, perhaps, but with his chest or his head. Putting his booth up was a cowardice thing to do. He chose risking to hurt Ederson, because he didn't want to be hurt himself.

I think Ritchie should also have received a red card. His actions were just as reckless as Mane's