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Re: Football Media

Postby Bear60 » Sat Aug 17, 2019 11:21 am

johnny crossan wrote:This is an update on my complaint to the BBC last week about Roan's interview with the new PL chief exec

Original Complaint: CAS-5572998-RC5QVH 8/8/19
BBC Pre-Season Interview with new Premier League Acting CEO: Bias Against Man City in Question by Dan Roan

Dan Roan’s opening question: "Is Manchester City's financial clout making the league predictable? Manchester City have won back-to-back Premier League titles and became the first English side to win the domestic treble last season

Richard Masters’ answer: "I'm not concerned. First of all we should celebrate just how brilliant City are and we should celebrate how Pep Guardiola has transformed the squad," says Masters."


The fact that this is patently untrue and Man City are not the financially dominant club at the moment is actually not the key issue here. While there's no doubt that they spent a lot of money, City's financial resources are very similar to those of Man United, Liverpool and Chelsea etc. The question of ‘damaging the competition’ has never featured during the previous 30 years of domination by those clubs, why is it only relevant now? Mr Roan’s clear implication is that Man City’s 'financial clout' is qualitatively different from that of other clubs, in short the inference is because its source is an Arab owner.

I see that this news bulletin is no longer available on iPlayer and that on your website the interview has now been re-edited and the question sequence re-ordered. Its headline is about tackling racism but what is widely seen as an openly racist attack by Dan Roan on Man City's owners seems to have gone unnoticed by your editors and his superiors.

Although the video clip no longer contains Mr Roan's highly prejudicial question nor Richard Masters’ strong rejection of the untruthful allegation that Manchester City's dominance on the field was the result of their 'financial clout', the associated Q & A extracts still retain the original disgraceful inference that underlies Mr Roan’s all too familiar attacks on the club. He is the only reporter ever to be banned by Manchester City and since then has been even more blatantly biased against the club.

The main problem is not just about him, though he is an important part, it is also about his bosses. That’s because both he and they are very well aware that underlying this prejudiced narrative is a long-term commercial battle between Manchester City and the Premier League’s US owned rival clubs together with their European allies. Essentially it is about their hostility to the City owner’s business model, which ploughs back all profits back into the club unlike profits from their clubs which mostly go out of football completely. For example the Glazer family have taken almost the same amount of money out of Manchester United as Sheikh Mansour has invested in City since 2008, over £1 billion. While City is debt free United were subject to a leveraged buyout with £525m debts loaded on to the club, including £275m high interest “payment in kind” loans. This debt scandal continues to be virtually unreported by the BBC.
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BBC Response from Deborah Dawson (extract)

“The job of the BBC interviewer is to then put forward questions likely to be in the minds of our audience
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Just because Dan questioned whether Man City's financial clout made the League unpredictable does not mean that it can be inferred that this is his own view."

Complaint continued and further explained :

Your attempt to justify this question shows the same bias against Man City. The key issue, which you completely fail to address, is why Mr Roan’s opening question was to ask if City’s financial resources made the Premier League uncompetitive. If the question had been about the club’s recent dominance in respect of their footballing excellence, the question would have been entirely legitimate. Instead Mr Roan asked if the competition was being damaged not as a result of sporting performance of the team on the pitch but as a consequence of the club’s ‘financial clout’.

His clear implication is that Man City’s financial resources are different from their rival clubs. Yet Mr Roan knows full well that the club is not financially dominant by any measure - whether that is turnover, profits, player wages or transfer fees paid – indeed they have none of the 20 most expensive signings. His biography makes it abundantly clear what he believes about Manchester City and why he asks the question he did. Your claim that it was not his own is absurd.

"Sport has been revolutionised by the huge amount of money that’s come into it. It’s part of the modern business world, but hasn’t caught up governance-wise. When you see Putin using the Winter Olympics and now the FIFA World Cup to project his image onto the world, and the situation in Qatar, Abu Dhabi and China, you see sport as another arm of power. These places are using sport as a way of projecting their authority, not only on their own people, but globally too. So money in sport is becoming important to governments as well as just people.” A Life in Sports Reporting - BBC's Dan Roan

Mr Roan and his bosses have deliberately aligned the BBC as a supporter of what are widely seen as racially prejudiced attacks on Manchester City by its commercial opponents. The plain truth is that owners of rival clubs have seen their profits and hegemony threatened by City's success via a profit investment business model they will never copy. Through the media outlets they control or influence these elite clubs have sought to divert the disappointment of their mass supporter bases at City’s onfield domination with a series of invented pegs to hang their resentment on.

First they reassured their fans that the new investment in City was just a temporary ‘vanity purchase’ which would inevitably fail. When this didn’t happen FFP was redesigned and manipulated to protect elite clubs whilst hobbling City and PSG. These overtly unfair measures were later combined with the borderline racist narratives of ‘Financial Doping’ and ‘Sportswashing’. Both these fictions have been exposed by reputable football journalists such as Martin Samuel and Oliver Holt but a derivative campaign is still being waged by a few discredited individuals many of whom are regularly referenced by Mr Roan on his twitter account as BBC Sports Editor.

All football clubs face questions and criticism, some justified, some not. In City's case, financial and sporting rivalry have created an emotional interest amongst millions of people which a commercially pressured media are targeting – a perfect storm to which is added political bias from those who object to Arab ownership of a PL club. No other owner or club has ever been questioned and vilified to such a degree. Singling out City from the very large number of major UK companies, scientific research institutions, HE bodies and sporting industries that benefit from UAE based investment, including long term sponsorship of the clubs that are responsible for these attacks, is hypocrisy of the highest order. For them to be subjected to this continuing and escalating hostility by the BBC as well is totally unacceptable and needs to stop right now.


I have been a member of this site for 10 years now and I reckon this is the best post I have read on here . I don’t think the BBC complaints department are clever enough to give you a decent response
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Re: Football Media

Postby johnny crossan » Sat Aug 17, 2019 12:17 pm

Mase wrote:If it was "what the audience would like to ask" then asks them why they've edited it out. Would love to know the answer..

What they want to know is why City are so much better than their own teams and Roan tells them the same lies as their owners -
'we are cheats because our owner is an Arab.'
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Re: Football Media

Postby Bluemoon4610 » Sat Aug 17, 2019 10:02 pm

Dan Roan’s opening question: "Is Manchester City's financial clout making the league predictable? Manchester City have won back-to-back Premier League titles and became the first English side to win the domestic treble last season"
Funny how, until scouse2 blew their lead, these taxpayer-funded twats were reporting how this was the closest title race ever (conveniently ignoring the goal-difference finish in 2012, probably because the other red media darlings lost again!).
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Re: Football Media

Postby Hazy2 » Sun Aug 18, 2019 6:40 am

The clip of the 3 scouse fans when Vinny scored v the Foxes which was Murray, Dalglish daughter and another twat summed up the BBC position so well
It could have been planned better if we were filming it. Scouse meltdown BBC entitled twats!
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Re: Football Media

Postby johnny crossan » Sun Aug 18, 2019 7:35 am

Hazy2 wrote:The clip of the 3 scouse fans when Vinny scored v the Foxes which was Murray, Dalglish daughter and another twat summed up the BBC position so well
It coueld have been planned better if we were filming it. Scouse meltdown BBC entitled twats!

I would like to see this - source please - anyway still looking for the BBC coverage of this - no doubt Banned Dan will get round to it in time
https://news.sky.com/story/standard-cha ... s-11787218
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Re: Football Media

Postby Tokyo Blue » Sun Aug 18, 2019 7:59 am

johnny crossan wrote:
Hazy2 wrote:The clip of the 3 scouse fans when Vinny scored v the Foxes which was Murray, Dalglish daughter and another twat summed up the BBC position so well
It could have been planned better if we were filming it. Scouse meltdown BBC entitled twats!

I would like to see this - source please


Here you go mate. Great post above, by the way.

https://twitter.com/5livesport/status/1 ... 03?lang=en
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Re: Football Media

Postby johnny crossan » Sun Aug 18, 2019 8:49 am

johnny crossan wrote:
Hazy2 wrote:The clip of the 3 scouse fans when Vinny scored v the Foxes which was Murray, Dalglish daughter and another twat summed up the BBC position so well
It coueld have been planned better if we were filming it. Scouse meltdown BBC entitled twats!

I would like to see this - source please - anyway still looking for the BBC coverage of this - no doubt Banned Dan will get round to it in time
https://news.sky.com/story/standard-cha ... s-11787218
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Re: Football Media

Postby nottsblue » Sun Aug 18, 2019 9:57 am

Tokyo Blue wrote:
johnny crossan wrote:
Hazy2 wrote:The clip of the 3 scouse fans when Vinny scored v the Foxes which was Murray, Dalglish daughter and another twat summed up the BBC position so well
It could have been planned better if we were filming it. Scouse meltdown BBC entitled twats!

I would like to see this - source please


Here you go mate. Great post above, by the way.

https://twitter.com/5livesport/status/1 ... 03?lang=en

For a supposedly impartial broadcaster, that is disgusting. Dalglish’s daughter looks like she’s just been told her dog has died and for one of them to actually say NOOO tells you all you need to know about the BBC
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Re: Football Media

Postby ENIAM NAM » Mon Aug 19, 2019 6:50 pm

Sky using MNF to get Neville and Carragher to try and tell everyone how to beat City. Pathetic.
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Re: Football Media

Postby Mase » Mon Aug 19, 2019 7:05 pm

ENIAM NAM wrote:Sky using MNF to get Neville and Carragher to try and tell everyone how to beat City. Pathetic.


Neville struggled beating anyone at Valencia :lol: the fuck does he know?!
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Re: Football Media

Postby ENIAM NAM » Mon Aug 19, 2019 7:25 pm

Mase wrote:
ENIAM NAM wrote:Sky using MNF to get Neville and Carragher to try and tell everyone how to beat City. Pathetic.


Neville struggled beating anyone at Valencia :lol: the fuck does he know?!

They obviously don’t know what they’re talking about ;) but it’s not even disguised what they are trying to achieve..!
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Re: Football Media

Postby Beefymcfc » Mon Aug 19, 2019 7:25 pm

ENIAM NAM wrote:Sky using MNF to get Neville and Carragher to try and tell everyone how to beat City. Pathetic.

And then said 'if you are watching Eddie Howe'. Then went on to 30 minutes of how Rags need to play to beat Wolves, not a mention of the latter.
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Re: Football Media

Postby bigblue » Mon Aug 19, 2019 7:28 pm

Mase wrote:
ENIAM NAM wrote:Sky using MNF to get Neville and Carragher to try and tell everyone how to beat City. Pathetic.


Neville struggled beating anyone at Valencia :lol: the fuck does he know?!


Yup, I hope all the other teams take advice from those two idiots.

It was especially telling how clueless they are when they were sat next to mourinho. He made better points in 10 seconds than they did in 5 minutes of emotional rambling.
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Re: Football Media

Postby nottsblue » Mon Aug 19, 2019 7:37 pm

Sky have just had on Dermot Gallagher, the supposed “referee expert”, on with two no mark dippers to discuss the two contentious VAR decisions in our game. The two dippers to give them credit both agreed the disallowed goal was very harsh and football is losing some magic and spontaneity from these decisions. Predictably, Gallagher was sticking to the script of that it is what the fans want after some of the handball decisions last year.

Then the fun started when they looked at the penalty non award. Again both dippers were incredulous it wasn’t given, either at the time or on a VAR afterwards. The presenter then asked Gallagher for his opinion and whether yes or no was it a penalty. He then said he didn’t think initially it was but the more he looks at the more he is changing his mind. Also he said the VAR shouldn’t over rule the on field referee unless it was clear and obvious to which the dippers were amazed as it was as clear a penalty as you will see. They also pointed out the referee wasn’t watching the tumble as his gaze was elsewhere so he didn’t give it because he didn’t see it so surely VAR has to step in. The presenter then asks whether City fans have the right to be disgruntled as one goal for a mere fraction of an infringement was ruled out whilst a stonewall penalty was not given. He answered that they weren’t comparable as one was factual and one was subjective whereupon the presenter just laughed at him as if to say “come on don’t be daft”.

If this is the typical standard of officiating both on field and in the VAR control room, both in their stubbornness and reticence to positively use technology then we are in for a terrible season of injustice and inconsistency
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Re: Football Media

Postby london blue 2 » Mon Aug 19, 2019 9:04 pm

The tell tale sign for me is when dipper and Rag pundits are saying VAR is currently ridiculous. It’s ruining the game for all.
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Re: Football Media

Postby Beefymcfc » Mon Aug 19, 2019 9:11 pm

london blue 2 wrote:The tell tale sign for me is when dipper and Rag pundits are saying VAR is currently ridiculous. It’s ruining the game for all.

It maybe that the cunts are worried that those type of situations are where they get most of their goals.

Good to see RatBoy crying tonight, pity Gobber gets to enjoy it.
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Re: Football Media

Postby london blue 2 » Mon Aug 19, 2019 9:16 pm

Beefymcfc wrote:
london blue 2 wrote:The tell tale sign for me is when dipper and Rag pundits are saying VAR is currently ridiculous. It’s ruining the game for all.

It maybe that the cunts are worried that those type of situations are where they get most of their goals.

Good to see RatBoy crying tonight, pity Gobber gets to enjoy it.

No, I genuinely think they’re seeing what a fuck up it currently is.
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Re: Football Media

Postby Beefymcfc » Mon Aug 19, 2019 9:21 pm

london blue 2 wrote:
Beefymcfc wrote:
london blue 2 wrote:The tell tale sign for me is when dipper and Rag pundits are saying VAR is currently ridiculous. It’s ruining the game for all.

It maybe that the cunts are worried that those type of situations are where they get most of their goals.

Good to see RatBoy crying tonight, pity Gobber gets to enjoy it.

No, I genuinely think they’re seeing what a fuck up it currently is.

Only joking, mate, totally agree. They are football fans foremost and not one of us want to see the game determined in that manner. Such emotion has to be allowed when it's been in existence for nearly 150 years.
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Re: Football Media

Postby salford city » Tue Aug 20, 2019 3:55 pm

I see the Beeb are back at it - looking at a story at present - "Manchester City & tactical fouls - what do the stats say?"

I won't bore you with the rest of the article, but here is the ending "They might just be two anomalies early in the season, or maybe City are making a bid to charge clear in the tactical foul championship."

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Re: Football Media

Postby Foreverinbluedreams » Tue Aug 20, 2019 4:00 pm

salford city wrote:I see the Beeb are back at it - looking at a story at present - "Manchester City & tactical fouls - what do the stats say?"

I won't bore you with the rest of the article, but here is the ending "They might just be two anomalies early in the season, or maybe City are making a bid to charge clear in the tactical foul championship."

I'm done with the fuckers now


The body of the article actually suggests Liverpool are the worst offenders last season going by the analysis they apply.

But the analysis is seriosly flawed anyway.
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