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Tokyo Blue wrote:

FA cup winners 2006 wrote:

Blue In Bolton wrote:Jesus! Just when you thought that it couldn't get any worse than Atkinson we have the Spanish twat who refereed our first leg match against Monaco last season.
Somebody at UEFA is taking the piss big time!!

That the 5-3. From what i remember he was atrocious for both teams. Just an all round poor referee.

Have Liverpool or klopp ever played against this ref, might give us some small advantage

One of his little friends on the goal line gave them a penalty for very little, I recall. And I do recall very well indeed because I was stood about ten yards from the incident.

I expect more of the same. We can still do it though.

And it was the first time in living memory that one of those useless cunts behind the goal had actually given anything.

How long before you give up on football altogether?

I’m probably going to give it the summer and see, but I’m already not arsed about football anymore. I love City but I remember I used to watch any football match that was on. Now I’ll watch City and that’s it. Just can’t be bothered with football.

It’s been ruined by incompetent refs. Football has evolved and officiating hasn’t.

Mase wrote:It’s been ruined by incompetent refs. Football has evolved and officiating hasn’t.

I think they did, pal, I think they did. I remember bent refs, but I really do not remember they being this bent back in the day.

Mase wrote:How long before you give up on football altogether?

I’m probably going to give it the summer and see, but I’m already not arsed about football anymore. I love City but I remember you used to watch any football match that was on. Now I’ll watch City and that’s it. Just can’t be bothered with football.

It’s been ruined by incompetent refs. Football has evolved and officiating hasn’t.

We have just been saying the same. The last three games have shown how the incompetence of officials can ruin the game. Its demoralising and I sat that without an ounce of over exaggeration.

Yes we don't help ourselves with wank defending and coming out for second halves a completely different team at times but you shouldn't have to play against 14 men each time you step out onto the pitch. It's beyond cheating

We go 2 nil up and we win the game.....the players looked dejected and who the fuck can blame them.

Im expecting PEP to tell it how it is post match .

Fuck the CL..I fuckign hate the competition.

Mase wrote:How long before you give up on football altogether?

I’m probably going to give it the summer and see, but I’m already not arsed about football anymore. I love City but I remember I used to watch any football match that was on. Now I’ll watch City and that’s it. Just can’t be bothered with football.

It’s been ruined by incompetent refs. Football has evolved and officiating hasn’t.

This is exactly what they want you (and City's owners) to do, Mase. Then they can carry on raking in their money from the sheep who follow the munichs and dippers of this world.

Sane is doing my head in.

Tokyo Blue wrote:

Mase wrote:How long before you give up on football altogether?

I’m probably going to give it the summer and see, but I’m already not arsed about football anymore. I love City but I remember I used to watch any football match that was on. Now I’ll watch City and that’s it. Just can’t be bothered with football.

It’s been ruined by incompetent refs. Football has evolved and officiating hasn’t.

This is exactly what they want you (and City('s owners) to do, Mase. Then they can carry on raking in their money from the sheep who follow the munichs and dippers of this world.

I’m guessing the owners have tried to stop it though mate. If they can’t stop it what’s the answer? We can absolutely demolish teams and not win due to cheating.

I’m hoping Pep says something after the game. I’m hoping our owners speak with Uefa. I’m hoping someone does something.

It's all in your head.

Never, ever forget that.

Original Dub wrote:It's all in your head.

Never, ever forget that.

just like our inability to finish isn't an issue...

Nigels Tackle wrote:

Original Dub wrote:It's all in your head.

Never, ever forget that.

just like our inability to finish isn't an issue...

Not mutually exclusive mate.

If VAR was active for the last week, we'd be premier league champions and in a tussle for the champs league semi.

I don't think I'm exaggerating?

I think the end game is we create our own league.

Didn’t watch the game work . Haven’t read much either except here and a bit of muen, But again sounds like we have been shafted and I fully understand people wanting to throw the towel in .the shit is just blatant . Yes we have failings no doubt but for ffs We have owners who are putting billions into Football world wide Not milking it like most of the Cunts
Yet that’s not enough for the Uefa sky shower of shit
Fukin pissed off

Yes, without doubt for me, last 3 matches we have been shafted, big time. Firstly by the appointment of "non-neutral" officials, and then by the implementation, from those officials, of a series of "one sided" game changing decisions, which I assume VAR would have corrected.

At Anfield we had a German team of officials, even though their manager was German. We had a Stonewall penalty denied, a legitimate goal disallowed incorrectly for offside, and an offside goal allowed against us.

Against the rags, we had a referee who had previously shown highly publicised bias in a derby match against us. We had 2 stonewall penalties and a sending off denied, plus an offside goal allowed against us. He Refused to stop play for a potentially serious injury and gave strange decisions through the match.

Last night, we had a Spanish referee with history against Pep, even though Pep has been publicly campaigning against independence against Spain. Then a legitimate goal disallowed incorrectly for offside and a potential sending off ignored, as well as other strange decisions in the match.

It is the football institutions of UEFA and the FA that are sanctioning these non-independent appointments. I would like to think VAR would help, perhaps why they are so slow to introduce it.
What can we do?

Plain Speaking wrote:Yes without doubt for me, last 3 matches we have been shafted, big time, firstly by the appointment of "non-neutral" officials, and then by the implementation of a series of one sided game changing decisions, which I assume VAR would have corrected.

At Anfield we had a German team of officials, even though their manager was German. We had a Stonewall penalty denied, a legitimate goal disallowed incorrectly for offside, and an offside goal allowed against us.

Against the rags, we had a referee who had previous shown unprecedented bias in a derby match against us. We had 2 stonewall penalties and a sending off denied, plus an offside goal allowed against us.

Last night, we had a Spanish referee with history against Pep, even though Pep has been publicly campaign against independence against Spain. Then a legitimate goal disallowed incorrectly for offside and a potential sending off ignored, as well as other strange decisions in the match.

It is the football institutions of UEFA and the FA that are sanctioning these non-independent appointments. I would like to think VAR would help, perhaps why they are so slow to introduce it.
What can we do?

These are fair points, but no amount of soul searching like this is going to do anything about Otto's cock up last night, or the ball perfectly deflecting for the ox in the first game, Salah getting a knock in last night from Ederson's block when he could not keep hold of the ball, or when he actually deflected Salah's goal into the net in the first game ( when it might have hit Kompany and be blocked !).

City's goal last night was a clean and sweet move. Van winkle was complaining about a shove from Sterling , when he was off balance and falling over any way after a bad pass. So we got the break there but the goal was clean ( like the ox's).

As for last saturday, well any other day and we could have had double figures. Could have ,would have, should have.

Nah, i think in hindsight Pep will admit he went against his own logic , that we have seem for the most past this season.

Officials have not been able to stop teams playing good honest football. As is proving in the PL, playing the ball and not the man or the ref, will always win out in the end.

These last three defeats are all contenders in the Referee Cheating Performance of the Season Awards

I fear the apparent institutional bias will reduce Pep's length of potential contract with us.
With proper appointments and competent refereeing we would currently be record breaking PL champions and possibly through to a CL semi final? If VAR was used and you assume the stonewall penalties would have been given and converted and incorrect offside goals corrected, Anfield would have been a 2-2 draw. The Derby a 4-1 win and last night a 2-2 draw.

And VAR won’t solve the problem, we’ve already seen it’s fallable and is too reliant on the ref to decide whether to use it or not. I hold out no hope of things improving in the future. The ref last night has obviously got a real issue with Pep and glad to see he called him out over it

Dunnylad wrote:And VAR won’t solve the problem, we’ve already seen it’s fallable and is too reliant on the ref to decide whether to use it or not. I hold out no hope of things improving in the future. The ref last night has obviously got a real issue with Pep and glad to see he called him out over it

It's not necessarily perfect but you would imagine a big improvement on the current system in terms of fairness. Assuming VAR was used in a similar way to that used in the recent England international, our penalties should have been given. The official notifies the referee he may have missed an obvious error like Young's handball or studs up follow through on Sergio or Robertson's foul on Sterling at Anfield, it's harder to ignore when reviews are possible.

You would assume most of the offside incorrect calls for goals would be sorted also?

Plain Speaking wrote:

Dunnylad wrote:And VAR won’t solve the problem, we’ve already seen it’s fallable and is too reliant on the ref to decide whether to use it or not. I hold out no hope of things improving in the future. The ref last night has obviously got a real issue with Pep and glad to see he called him out over it

It's not necessarily perfect but you would imagine a big improvement on the current system in terms of fairness. Assuming VAR was used in a similar way to that used in the recent England international, our penalties should have been given. The official notifies the referee he may have missed an obvious error like Young's handball or studs up follow through on Sergio or Robertson's foul on Sterling at Anfield, it's harder to ignore when reviews are possible.

You would assume most of the offside incorrect calls for goals would be sorted also?

I would go with the rugby method. When VAR is involved, we, the audience, hear what the officials and the bent, sorry, the ref talk.
Everything on the view, no chance on hiding. Also, like in tennis, the teams will have a chance to use VAR at their demand.

This will fucking break their corrupt system.