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No 1 In training do the defense practice ? Like holding the line for offside zonal marking etc

No 2 do we try to prevent our players getting injuries ? Like hamstring injuries calf problems etc

I wonder about both love to hear what other people think I know we had the champions league midweek but ffs were great for the first five games and pretty shite after.

Our defensive line is probably the best in the league. It's all the other defensive duties that stink.

1 - we are very good at winning off side decisions. The goal today came from a simple ball down the channel. Mangala was not strong enough or quick enough to cope with Gomis
2 - you can only avoid injuries by not playing or training. To be fair we have had a much better injury record than the rags and Arsenal until this season

South Stand Balti wrote:1 - we are very good at winning off side decisions. The goal today came from a simple ball down the channel. Mangala was not strong enough or quick enough to cope with Gomis

He was strong and quick enough, he just fucked up mentally and completely misread the pass coming into Gomis. He thought it was going to feet, but it was really going into the space behind. You'll never be fast enough if you start running in the opposite direction than the ball is going

london blue 2 wrote:Our defensive line is probably the best in the league. It's all the other defensive duties that stink.

No other team in the prem pushes the fullbacks up as much as we do and we have been found out big time , especially in a two man midfield with either walking statues that are Toure and Fernando.

Fucking Bobby Moore and Beckenbauer in their pomp would struggle to cover as the midfield evaporates.

failsworthblue wrote:

london blue 2 wrote:Our defensive line is probably the best in the league. It's all the other defensive duties that stink.

No other team in the prem pushes the fullbacks up as much as we do and we have been found out big time , especially in a two man midfield with either walking statues that are Toure and Fernando.

Fucking Bobby Moore and Beckenbauer in their pomp would struggle to cover as the midfield evaporates.

I'd go along with that. Both of you right.
It's the overall defensive strategy that is not working and we don't have the personnel good enough to deal with what ensues. Not sure any team would.

Delighted they did.not start Gomis. Mangala needs as much cover as he can get.We need I rethink on the defensive side. Or we are heading for a hammering. Hart is saving us big time from conceding 4 a game at present.

I think they are two very silly questions.

Love to know how to prevent sports injuries. Fuck me if you could do that you would have some serious shilling in the bank by now.

sheblue wrote:Love to know how to prevent sports injuries. Fuck me if you could do that you would have some serious shilling in the bank by now.

Of course you can do that. With the right periodization of your trainings, and individual periodization of your players you will avoid fatigue which is a football players worst enemy. Fatigue makes the nervous system slower, and the signal from the brain to the muscle arrives later. This will make your muscles and ligaments etc unprotected in crucial moments in the game.
This is what they are good at in Leicester for example. They train four times a week, have fresh players, and no muscles injuries. And hardly injuries at all.
Injuries is a part of football, but injury crises can always be avoided with the right knowledge of periodization.
Remember what Raymond Verheijen did with Craig Bellamy? He transformed the most injury prone player of all time to a machine that played 46 something straight games for City. All with just letting an explosive player like him train half of that the team did.

South Stand Balti wrote:2 - you can only avoid injuries by not playing or training. To be fair we have had a much better injury record than the rags and Arsenal until this season

This is a very uneducated statement of you. Please read my previous post for self education.

21Forsberg wrote:

sheblue wrote:Love to know how to prevent sports injuries. Fuck me if you could do that you would have some serious shilling in the bank by now.

Of course you can do that. With the right periodization of your trainings, and individual periodization of your players you will avoid fatigue which is a football players worst enemy. Fatigue makes the nervous system slower, and the signal from the brain to the muscle arrives later. This will make your muscles and ligaments etc unprotected in crucial moments in the game.
This is what they are good at in Leicester for example. They train four times a week, have fresh players, and no muscles injuries. And hardly injuries at all.
Injuries is a part of football, but injury crises can always be avoided with the right knowledge of periodization.
Remember what Raymond Verheijen did with Craig Bellamy? He transformed the most injury prone player of all time to a machine that played 46 something straight games for City. All with just letting an explosive player like him train half of that the team did.

And what do you do when their country makes them fly round the world and play two full games back to back?

Assuming city don't have coaches and physios that understand periodisation is just daft. It's on every football badge and included in every degree

Whatever the cause(s) we are past the point where it's coincidence. In an ideal world they would be constantly assessing what they're doing and how they do it.

Just throwing this out there as haven't a clue when it comes to all this sports science malarkey but could our move to the CFA be having an impact? I know the playing surfaces are different to Carrington and it seems the upturn in the number of muscle injuries we've suffered coincides with the move to the CFA.

With the injuries we would all be saying NO if we were after them in Jan, Great players, but we are to reliant on them and in turn, both could hardly complain if we paid as they played. Pretty sure our medical team are raging when they go off to international games to be back on the treatment table, Vinny for me anyway right or wrong is looking like he is an early retirement case. Euros will be make or break for him. If Belgium win it I could see a decision taken.

Foreverinbluedreams wrote:Just throwing this out there as haven't a clue when it comes to all this sports science malarkey but could our move to the CFA be having an impact? I know the playing surfaces are different to Carrington and it seems the upturn in the number of muscle injuries we've suffered coincides with the move to the CFA.

I dont think you could rule it out, but I would say its very unlikely, the pitches at carrington were superb as are the CFA ones. The CFA are like carpets, they should not cause any injuries. I just think we look for a reason when there isnt one, every human body is different, some can take more than others and its as simple as that.

Hazy2 wrote:With the injuries we would all be saying NO if we were after them in Jan, Great players, but we are to reliant on them and in turn, both could hardly complain if we paid as they played. Pretty sure our medical team are raging when they go off to international games to be back on the treatment table, Vinny for me anyway right or wrong is looking like he is an early retirement case. Euros will be make or break for him. If Belgium win it I could see a decision taken.

I doubt for one minute that Vinny will retire after Euros next summer, they will be at the WC in Russia in 3 years time (even England couldn't fuck up the group Belgium have got) and he'll still only be 32 and still be captain of his Country.

Maybe a lot of the English Prima Donna's no longer see playing for your country, let alone Captaining the team. Vinny despite our frustrations does see it as his top honour whether we like or not.

With regards to injuries in general, i don't think we are much worse than other teams in the Prem there are currently 6 teams with more injuries than us (& 2 with the same amount), so almost half the league in similar situation!

Many of those players are as influential for their respective teams as Vinny & Kun albeit not as good quality players, but missed just as much as our players to their teams.

We are 2nd in the league, progressing quite nicely in two other competitions, with 4 out of our 5 injured players expected back for our next game against Arsenal a week today. Arsenal on the other hand will only get one of their 7 injured back for the game, that's Sanchez and he's reported as doubtful.

So, except Nasri as long as we can keep them fit, we look to be in good shape going into the busiest period of the season over the next 6-8 weeks.

In a week or two we'll be bitching about team selection as in who should start over X rather than what make shift team we can put out (Clichy at right back....)

CTID Hants wrote:

Hazy2 wrote:With the injuries we would all be saying NO if we were after them in Jan, Great players, but we are to reliant on them and in turn, both could hardly complain if we paid as they played. Pretty sure our medical team are raging when they go off to international games to be back on the treatment table, Vinny for me anyway right or wrong is looking like he is an early retirement case. Euros will be make or break for him. If Belgium win it I could see a decision taken.

I doubt for one minute that Vinny will retire after Euros next summer, they will be at the WC in Russia in 3 years time (even England couldn't fuck up the group Belgium have got) and he'll still only be 32 and still be captain of his Country.

Maybe a lot of the English Prima Donna's no longer see playing for your country, let alone Captaining the team. Vinny despite our frustrations does see it as his top honour whether we like or not.

With regards to injuries in general, i don't think we are much worse than other teams in the Prem there are currently 6 teams with more injuries than us (& 2 with the same amount), so almost half the league in similar situation!

Many of those players are as influential for their respective teams as Vinny & Kun albeit not as good quality players, but missed just as much as our players to their teams.

We are 2nd in the league, progressing quite nicely in two other competitions, with 4 out of our 5 injured players expected back for our next game against Arsenal a week today. Arsenal on the other hand will only get one of their 7 injured back for the game, that's Sanchez and he's reported as doubtful.

So, except Nasri as long as we can keep them fit, we look to be in good shape going into the busiest period of the season over the next 6-8 weeks.

In a week or two we'll be bitching about team selection as in who should start over X rather than what make shift team we can put out (Clichy at right back....)

I think the players we've missed for substantial periods eg Silva, Aguero and Kompany makes our injuries worse than anyone else. I accept that others have their fair share of injuries but I don't believe anyone else has missed arguably their three most important players for over half the season so far, I stand to be corrected on that.

I also saw an article at the beginning of the month saying that we had 35 separate injuries this season, 20 was the league average at the time, Arsenal were on 24 and the rags on 29.

Exactly.

Every team suffers from injuries, but not every team loses their three most important players - players that are arguably the best in the world in their respective positions - for the length of time we have lost Silva, Aguero and Kompany.

How would Barca get on without Messi, Neymar and Suarez?

I think injuries are not sth that avoidable.