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How much does this complaint from Dyke and all of the other loudmouths not ring true with what we have seen this season?

Seems more like the opposite with a host of English talent getting plenty of game time and doing well:

Kane
Alli
Dier
Rose
Walker
Trippier
Vardy
Drinkwater
Stones
Barkley
Galloway
Clyne
Noble
Butland
Sterling
Smalling
Bertrand

I'm leaving some out I know, but many of these players are young/fairly young, so Hodgson has plenty of options this summer and has a chance to be even better going into the '18 WC. The transition from Gerrard/Shrek/Lampard/Terry, etc. is not going to be anywhere near as painful as it is going to be with some other European "powerhouses" (read: The Netherlands), and arguably the squad could be even more exciting, with pace and real attacking prowess.

Mark Noble? He's nearly 29!

Something that's been bugging me ever since Brooking sounded off about Roberts not getting game time is the fact that under21s are restricted from going on loans by transfer windows. Why is that? Surely it'd be better for everyone if under21s could procure loan deals at any time?

Sorry to go slightly off point Prezike but I had to get that off my chest.

Piccsnumberoneblue wrote:Mark Noble? He's nearly 29!

Actually he's 28 (29 in May). He's had a pretty good season though (Hodgson mentioned his name on MOTD recently when discussing Drinkwater), and Vardy is 29.

Almost all of the rest are 26 or under I believe, and many under 23.

How many of those are/were managed by Pocchetino? 8 by my count, and that doesnt include Lallana, Jay Rodriguez, and Luke Shaw

That's not even 20 players. That's not even one top English player per team.

MilnersJaw wrote:That's not even 20 players. That's not even one top English player per team.

Is that really a good way to measure who gets chances to play? Some clubs have more than others, obviously as I was also referring to playing on top sides, of which quite a few of them are playing. Yet, some are amongst the best on mid-table sides as well.

There are others I've left out, some actually on Utd (not Phil Jones), Arsenal and Liverpool who I could have listed:

Welbeck, Gibbs, Flanagan, Lallana, Ibe, Shaw, Lingard

and a few elsewhere:

Berahino, Zaha, Shelvey, Deeney, Antonio, Mason, Rodriguez

We're talking about players ready, or close to ready, to play on the national squad this summer and beyond.

The Premier League being the richest league in the world, about to get richer, is going to buy most of THE best players other than those that want to go to top clubs on the continent, generally. The competition is stiff, and the pressure high so you won't get as many chances as in a lower league, but are there really that many talented enough young players who don't get an opportunity to play? Part of that issue, as has been stated elsewhere, is the apparent reluctance of English players to live/play abroad so they are more limited to find opportunities to develop.

If you want to see more English players play then the quality of the PL will drop, and then you are less likely to see these "potential" players get as many chances to compete at the highest level. By there being so much competition one could argue it is also helping, not hurting development of certain players. They train with and compete in the most competitive league top to bottom where you rarely get an easy game, allowing you to hone your skills faster. If you aren't ready? Okay, play on loan in another league. Prove yourself in training against the best, and in some games, and now you are seeing those players are getting their chances. Chelsea just buys too many players they have no intention of playing. We do it a bit as well, but they are the worst, easily.

I see quite a few players getting their chances across the league, and could make the national team as hyped as the previous generation was. Yet, as I stated, I see more pace, and flair than the past, which we got a hint of in the last WC with Welbeck, Sterling and Sturridge up front. Yet the team was still relying on styles suited to Gerrard, Lampard and Rooney in the midfield. The front 3 could all possibly be displaced by some I listed.

There does seem to be more of an abundance of pacey attackers than centre midfielders, but Alli, Drinkwater and Dier could be the future there. Then Kane up front, Barkley as the no. 10 flanked by any of Sterling, Vardy (short term), Sturridge, Berahino, Welbeck, etc. Some pacey fullbacks with attacking quality are there, and Stones and Smalling could make up a quicker, better on the ball, passing, defensive partnership than the past that could turn defense into attack than the past.

Dyke's off isn't he?

He's finally got the message that the England team is not a priority for the clubs nor most of the fans these days. Times have changed.

Personally, from being a pretty avid England supporter in younger days, now I couldn'y give a flying fuck.

I looked into getting some tickets for an England game during the Euros as it's here in France. But it looks like I might just go to a Wales game as I can't be arsed with the travel/joining supporters club/inflated ticket prices just to watch England. So I guess I'm agreeing with John.

p.s. couldn'y..... have you become Scottish John?

i really only enjoy watching the south american national teams. In general international football is such crap, and it's funny because watching the WC is what sucked me into the game originally. I've learned a lot since then.

The Copa America Centrario in the US this summer will take a warm, healthy shit all over the Euros from a great height in terms of both competition and fan involvement. Having the Brasil team play here in Orlando is going to be madness. As a point of reference 1/3 of the suburb i live in are Brazilian. And no i don't root for Brasil. I'll root for the Argies, and Columbia and Chile and Peru...loads of options. Even Venezuela is entertaining. And the fans give a fuck as well.

cheers

rosbif cuisson 'bleu' wrote:I looked into getting some tickets for an England game during the Euros as it's here in France. But it looks like I might just go to a Wales game as I can't be arsed with the travel/joining supporters club/inflated ticket prices just to watch England. So I guess I'm agreeing with John.

p.s. couldn'y..... have you become Scottish John?

Just after Hell freezes over

Called it ;) Okay, only one friendly, but still...

New players seem to bring passion and attacking verve. Don't sleep...

Meanwhile my country's national team is a mess to say the least.

It can be safely said that Manchester City owe much of their success to their generous benefactor Sheikh Mansour. The 43-year-old is worth around $31 billion and has spent over half a billion in rebuilding Manchester City since he acquired it through his company Abu Dhabi United Group (ADUG) in September 2008. Mansour has permitted the club's managers to spend whatever it takes to make the club a success.
City have seen players such as Robinho, Carlos Tevez, Sergio Aguero, Yaya Toure, David Silva and Vincent Kompany arrive at the club under Mansour's ownership. Many of these players have been instrumental in making City the force they are today and helped them win the FA Cup in 2011 which was their first trophy since 1968. City won their first Premier League in a long time in 2012 and are one of the favourites to win it again this year. The Manchester club would be nowhere today if it wasn't for Sheikh Mansour.

tarkatheotter wrote:It can be safely said that Manchester City owe much of their success to their generous benefactor Sheikh Mansour. The 43-year-old is worth around $31 billion and has spent over half a billion in rebuilding Manchester City since he acquired it through his company Abu Dhabi United Group (ADUG) in September 2008. Mansour has permitted the club's managers to spend whatever it takes to make the club a success.
City have seen players such as Robinho, Carlos Tevez, Sergio Aguero, Yaya Toure, David Silva and Vincent Kompany arrive at the club under Mansour's ownership. Many of these players have been instrumental in making City the force they are today and helped them win the FA Cup in 2011 which was their first trophy since 1968. City won their first Premier League in a long time in 2012 and are one of the favourites to win it again this year. The Manchester club would be nowhere today if it wasn't for Sheikh Mansour.

all i can say is thank you sheikh mansour!
and as for you, otter boy.... fuck off!

tarkatheotter wrote:It can be safely said that Manchester City owe much of their success to their generous benefactor Sheikh Mansour. The 43-year-old is worth around $31 billion and has spent over half a billion in rebuilding Manchester City since he acquired it through his company Abu Dhabi United Group (ADUG) in September 2008. Mansour has permitted the club's managers to spend whatever it takes to make the club a success.
City have seen players such as Robinho, Carlos Tevez, Sergio Aguero, Yaya Toure, David Silva and Vincent Kompany arrive at the club under Mansour's ownership. Many of these players have been instrumental in making City the force they are today and helped them win the FA Cup in 2011 which was their first trophy since 1968. City won their first Premier League in a long time in 2012 and are one of the favourites to win it again this year. The Manchester club would be nowhere today if it wasn't for Sheikh Mansour.

What is your point?

tarkatheotter wrote:City have seen players such as Robinho, Carlos Tevez, Sergio Aguero, Yaya Toure, David Silva and Vincent Kompany arrive at the club under Mansour's ownership.

Talking bollocks again my ol' mune.

Sir Vincent was signed 22 August 2008 for £6 million.

City were taken over in September 2008.

At least do your research if you're going to come on here spouting shite.

tarkatheotter wrote:It can be safely said that Manchester City owe much of their success to their generous benefactor Sheikh Mansour. The 43-year-old is worth around $31 billion and has spent over half a billion in rebuilding Manchester City since he acquired it through his company Abu Dhabi United Group (ADUG) in September 2008.

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Mansour has permitted the club's managers to spend whatever it takes to make the club a success.
City have seen players such as Robinho, Carlos Tevez, Sergio Aguero, Yaya Toure, David Silva and Vincent Kompany arrive at the club under Mansour's ownership. Many of these players have been instrumental in making City the force they are today and helped them win the FA Cup in 2011 which was

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their first trophy since 1968. City won their first Premier League in a long time in 2012 and are one of the favourites to win it again this year. The Manchester club would be nowhere today if it wasn't for Sheikh Mansour.

A couple of things dickwipe, Mansour hasn't given his managers unlimited funds, the likes of Van Persie, Sanchez, Isco, Hazard have gone elsewhere because the buying clubs offered more money than City did. Mancini came out publically at one stage and complained about directors at the club for not getting deals done, further proof that this idea that City managers could spend what they liked is pure fantasy.

As for first trophy since 1968, where the fuck do I start?

Mase wrote:

tarkatheotter wrote:City have seen players such as Robinho, Carlos Tevez, Sergio Aguero, Yaya Toure, David Silva and Vincent Kompany arrive at the club under Mansour's ownership.

Talking bollocks again my ol' mune.

Sir Vincent was signed 22 August 2008 for £6 million.

City were taken over in September 2008.

At least do your research if you're going to come on here spouting shite.

Copied & pasted the article, couldn't give a toss either way. All the Top clubs 'splash the cash' rather than give young British talent a chance....

tarkatheotter wrote:

Mase wrote:

tarkatheotter wrote:City have seen players such as Robinho, Carlos Tevez, Sergio Aguero, Yaya Toure, David Silva and Vincent Kompany arrive at the club under Mansour's ownership.

Talking bollocks again my ol' mune.

Sir Vincent was signed 22 August 2008 for £6 million.

City were taken over in September 2008.

At least do your research if you're going to come on here spouting shite.

Copied & pasted the article, couldn't give a toss either way. All the Top clubs 'splash the cash' rather than give young British talent a chance....

Why did you copy & paste? What point were you trying to make?

Foreverinbluedreams wrote:

tarkatheotter wrote:

Mase wrote:

tarkatheotter wrote:City have seen players such as Robinho, Carlos Tevez, Sergio Aguero, Yaya Toure, David Silva and Vincent Kompany arrive at the club under Mansour's ownership.

Talking bollocks again my ol' mune.

Sir Vincent was signed 22 August 2008 for £6 million.

City were taken over in September 2008.

At least do your research if you're going to come on here spouting shite.

Copied & pasted the article, couldn't give a toss either way. All the Top clubs 'splash the cash' rather than give young British talent a chance....

Why did you copy & paste? What point were you trying to make?

Because he's a spaz and can't think of anything himself so has to copy and paste articles from red cafe and icyrunways.com