Ilkay Gundogan

[bigblue]

Three pages and not a single eurotrance youtube. How are we supposed to know how good he is?

Watch on youtube.com

[PrezIke]

Too much money.

Class, but not someone we can trust. Maybe the club knows something we don”t.

I hope.

It'll be one of the cheapest deals of the summer mate.

Particularly for the quality we are getting. Easily 35m+ if his contract goes a year longer. Was perhaps lower as well due to the two big injuries, but rumour on the fee was not too much higher than the 19.2+add ons that we are hearing now.

Also, there is no FFP so how much is this really going to hurt us? It actually would allow for more money to go towards another player, yet it's more than fair for fans to feel some anxiety about signing injured players given our recent history.

[Foreverinbluedreams]

Too much money.

Class, but not someone we can trust. Maybe the club knows something we don”t.

I hope.

It'll be one of the cheapest deals of the summer mate.

Particularly for the quality we are getting. Easily 35m+ if his contract goes a year longer. Was perhaps lower as well due to the two big injuries, but rumour on the fee was not too much higher than the 19.2+add ons that we are hearing now.

Also, there is no FFP so how much is this really going to hurt us? It actually would allow for more money to go towards another player, yet it's more than fair for fans to feel some anxiety about signing injured players given our recent history.

No FFP?

[Slim]

Announced this afternoon according to BILD.

[DoomMerchant]

I haven't seen a lot of this fucker since i follow Manchester City Football Club and not Dortmund. However, i am intrigued by the idea of this fucker and Silva, and Fernandinho forming a midfield core that offers a lot of flexibility. He looks pacy on the youtube as well, which we're sorely lacking outside of "Rarely Playing Raheem" and "No Final Ball Navas."

Add that Spanish Thiago gent that keeps following Pep around like a lost puppy and we're laughing.

cheers

[PrezIke]

Too much money.

Class, but not someone we can trust. Maybe the club knows something we don”t.

I hope.

It'll be one of the cheapest deals of the summer mate.

Particularly for the quality we are getting. Easily 35m+ if his contract goes a year longer. Was perhaps lower as well due to the two big injuries, but rumour on the fee was not too much higher than the 19.2+add ons that we are hearing now.

Also, there is no FFP so how much is this really going to hurt us? It actually would allow for more money to go towards another player, yet it's more than fair for fans to feel some anxiety about signing injured players given our recent history.

No FFP?

Okay, it's not gone, but the rules are more relaxed and revenues so high mow that it matters much less.

https://www.theguardian.com/football/bl ... ester-city

So why is everyone spending like it’s going out of fashion again?

Two reasons. One is that revenues have vastly increased, particularly in England with Premier League clubs eyeing another huge increase next season once the new £8bn-plus TV deal (including overseas rights) kicks in. That obviously gives them more cash to spend, even if they are aiming to break even, and fuels inflation.

And as transfer fees can be amortised over the length of a player’s contract, they can in effect start spending that cash now. The second is that Uefa earlier this year relaxed the FFP restrictions.

[HailNerdQueen]

boy that was cute of you. manipulating something unrelated (that was about the trio all leaving) to make your point and excluding the thing that contradicts your point.

And back to the original bone of contention, why are you so adamant that those three players won't be sold? City want Gundogan, Madrid want whatshisname? and Bayern want Reus. I'd say the chances of at least two of the three being sold are fairly high. Oh and then there's Weigl too, he's attracting a lot of interest.

Im certain Gundogan will leave.

here you go: http://www.mancityfans.net/mcfnet/viewtopic.php?f=119&t=51270&p=769650&hilit=gundogan#p769650

You said it, if you had been more specific in the first place I wouldn't be assuming that your "clarification" was just back tracking.

He left this bit out;

HailNerdQueen wrote:
Let's see how well they do next season without Reus, Gundogan & Aubameyang
phips wrote:
aint happening so theres no point speculating.

which is what my tongue in cheek reply to Doomie was about.

That is a thing I said

[phips]

Like the player outstanding when playing for Dortmund. How can a player with a dislocated knee get a move. Has football changed so much from back in the day. Have medicals since been dispatched at City, when, Real Madrid or Barca/Bayern sign a player we see enter a medical facility, pics of them them hooked up to machines and looking like everything is being checked. I am not for signing him BTW it just seems we buy players in a arse about way at times. The premier league is no place for getting your fitness on the job..... We have seen that all season with Silva.

its more so that medicine and technology have advanced so much that an injury like this isn't hugely debilitating or career threatening.

i mean, we had an NFL player over here tear his ACL and come back after 8 months and win the MVP award. times have changed.

[zuricity]

What injury does he have ?

[sidSmith]

What injury does he have ?

Sure I heard it was a displaced kneecap.

[Hazy2]

What injury does he have ?

Sure I heard it was a displaced kneecap.

Top player with 12 months thereabouts on a treatment table. His ability is not in question for the record. fit will be the best in his position in the league.

[kennyboy]

Three pages and not a single eurotrance youtube. How are we supposed to know how good he is?

Watch on youtube.com

Looks like an improved Fabregas.
Bring him on.

[Foreverinbluedreams]

What injury does he have ?

Sure I heard it was a displaced kneecap.

Top player with 12 months thereabouts on a treatment table. His ability is not in question for the record. fit will be the best in his position in the league.

Read somewhere that 6 months is a worse case scenario and that City are expecting him to be fit mid-August provided no set backs.

[PrezIke]

Reports that the deal is for £17.8m with add ons that could go up to £20.1m.

This is a bargain price for a player of his qualities. Hard to complain about this signing if we have enough depth.

[Foreverinbluedreams]

Too much money.

Class, but not someone we can trust. Maybe the club knows something we don”t.

I hope.

It'll be one of the cheapest deals of the summer mate.

Particularly for the quality we are getting. Easily 35m+ if his contract goes a year longer. Was perhaps lower as well due to the two big injuries, but rumour on the fee was not too much higher than the 19.2+add ons that we are hearing now.

Also, there is no FFP so how much is this really going to hurt us? It actually would allow for more money to go towards another player, yet it's more than fair for fans to feel some anxiety about signing injured players given our recent history.

No FFP?

Okay, it's not gone, but the rules are more relaxed and revenues so high mow that it matters much less.

https://www.theguardian.com/football/bl ... ester-city

So why is everyone spending like it’s going out of fashion again?

Two reasons. One is that revenues have vastly increased, particularly in England with Premier League clubs eyeing another huge increase next season once the new £8bn-plus TV deal (including overseas rights) kicks in. That obviously gives them more cash to spend, even if they are aiming to break even, and fuels inflation.

And as transfer fees can be amortised over the length of a player’s contract, they can in effect start spending that cash now. The second is that Uefa earlier this year relaxed the FFP restrictions.

I tried to let this go because this subject infuriates me but I can't.

From UEFA's website:

"From June 2015, UEFA updated its regulations (as it does from time to time for all regulations) to address some specific circumstances with the aim to encourage more sustainable investment while maintaining control on overspending. Situations addressed include clubs requiring business restructuring, clubs facing sudden economic shocks and clubs operating with severe market structural deficiencies in their operating region. For the first time the work of the CFCB is potentially expanded to include clubs not yet qualified for UEFA competitions but who anticipate and want to participate at some stage in the future."

The same rules still apply to us as we don't fit into the above. Essentially what they've done is relaxed the rules for those wanting to make huge investment now, in other words their old mates in the G14 realised the rules were hindering them so they pleaded with them to relax them for their benefit and as usual UEFA were only too happy to oblige.

Don't kid yourself that the likes of Gill and his buddies won't try to nail City given the slightest chance.

As you say though our revenues are now that high that it is extremely unlikely that we'll fall foul again.

[sidSmith]

Don't kid yourself that the likes of Gill and his buddies won't try to nail City given the slightest chance.

As you say though our revenues are now that high that it is extremely unlikely that we'll fall foul again.

Don't forget, we didn't fall foul of it last time. They moved the fucking goal posts to fuck us over.

[South Stand Balti]

Reports that the deal is for £17.8m with add ons that could go up to £20.1m.

This is a bargain price for a player of his qualities. Hard to complain about this signing if we have enough depth.

105 appearances in 5 years at Dortmund. Stupidity beyond belief is plenty to complain about.

[nottsblue]

Reports that the deal is for £17.8m with add ons that could go up to £20.1m.

This is a bargain price for a player of his qualities. Hard to complain about this signing if we have enough depth.

105 appearances in 5 years at Dortmund. Stupidity beyond belief is plenty to complain about.

That is not good. Sounds not to dissimilar to stats for Delph. Fingers crossed he doesn't go the same way as he does appear to be decent when he plays

[Alioune DVToure]

Reports that the deal is for £17.8m with add ons that could go up to £20.1m.

This is a bargain price for a player of his qualities. Hard to complain about this signing if we have enough depth.

105 appearances in 5 years at Dortmund. Stupidity beyond belief is plenty to complain about.

That is not good. Sounds not to dissimilar to stats for Delph. Fingers crossed he doesn't go the same way as he does appear to be decent when he plays

As with all stats, there may be more than meets the eye. If he missed a whole season with a ligament injury 3 or 4 years ago, then there's little to worry about. If he only plays 15-25 games every single season, that's a real issue.

EDIT: Just checked Wikipedia and he only managed one league appearance 3 seasons ago. 73 games in all competitions over the last two years (48 in the league) sounds nowhere near as bad. 40 in all competitions this season just gone.

[CTID Hants]

As with all stats, there may be more than meets the eye. If he missed a whole season with a ligament injury 3 or 4 years ago, then there's little to worry about. If he only plays 15-25 games every single season, that's a real issue.

EDIT: Just checked Wikipedia and he only managed one league appearance 3 seasons ago. 73 games in all competitions over the last two years (48 in the league) sounds nowhere near as bad. 40 in all competitions this season just gone.

Fairly sure that somewhere in this thread someone's also said he had a back injury that was bad at the time but fully recovered from?